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Jun 24, 2022 05:21:30   #
BebuLamar
 
TriX wrote:
There is a lot of electrical/electronic junk coming out of China - not everything, but some. I have found outlet strips sold at Lowes (no UL sticker of course) where the hot and neutral were reversed which means the switch and CB doesn’t interrupt the hot side, just the common/neutral. I have disassembled Chinese made lighting where the fuse and switch were in the common/neutral side as well. The net-net is I am very careful what I buy where electrical safety is concerned if it comes out of China and that especially concerns batteries and chargers (seen one LiPo fire, and that’s enough). I know this is a generalization and someone is going to tell me that Chinese goods are just as good as Japanese or American as long as the QA is the same, but the consumer has no way of verifying the QA except the reputation of the company (maybe). BTW, Eneloops are made in Japan and NiMH technology.
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If you find that the hot and neutral are reversed the outlet strip does not meet safety standard.

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Jun 24, 2022 06:25:13   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Jack47 wrote:
I have been using EBL batteries for awhile but I’m a little disappointed in the time that they hold a charge and the time it takes to charge them. I have 8 in the charger right now and they have been there for almost 8 hours. They probably only have about 12 charges on them. What are you using and do you have good or bad things to say? Appreciate all feedback.


I was an Eneloop fan and used them for years without issues. Switched to Ladda because they work just as well and are less expensive. I haven't bought a battery for about three years, and some are really old.

I think the key is to recondition them every once in a while by discharging completely and then charging. The better chargers include this function.

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Jun 24, 2022 08:13:14   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
TriX wrote:
There is a lot of electrical/electronic junk coming out of China - not everything, but some. I have found outlet strips sold at Lowes (no UL sticker of course) where the hot and neutral were reversed which means the switch and CB doesn’t interrupt the hot side, just the common/neutral. I have disassembled Chinese made lighting where the fuse and switch were in the common/neutral side as well. The net-net is I am very careful what I buy where electrical safety is concerned if it comes out of China and that especially concerns batteries and chargers (seen one LiPo fire, and that’s enough). I know this is a generalization and someone is going to tell me that Chinese goods are just as good as Japanese or American as long as the QA is the same, but the consumer has no way of verifying the QA except the reputation of the company (maybe). BTW, Eneloops are made in Japan and NiMH technology.
There is a lot of electrical/electronic junk comin... (show quote)



And sadly, the Photography and electronics markets are being flooded by cheap counterfeit products coming out of China. Do not purchase memory cards or lens filters on E bay or Amazon. They are fraught with inferior counterfeits.

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Jun 24, 2022 09:41:08   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
If you find that the hot and neutral are reversed the outlet strip does not meet safety standard.


Exactly my point, and of course, there typically is no standard/testing - no UL, EN, etc. sticker. What is so dangerous about this is that the customer turns off the switch or the fuse or CB pops, but the circuit is still energized and “hot” with respect to the safety or other ground, which can lead to deadly results. You can bet all my outlet strips have UL stickers in them.

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Jun 24, 2022 09:50:22   #
BebuLamar
 
Spirit Vision Photography wrote:
And sadly, the Photography and electronics markets are being flooded by cheap counterfeit products coming out of China. Do not purchase memory cards or lens filters on E bay or Amazon. They are fraught with inferior counterfeits.


A lot of geniune stuff come from China. It's rare to have things come from Japan.

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Jun 24, 2022 09:52:17   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Spirit Vision Photography wrote:
And sadly, the Photography and electronics markets are being flooded by cheap counterfeit products coming out of China. Do not purchase memory cards or lens filters on E bay or Amazon. They are fraught with inferior counterfeits.


I don't know about EBay. Never shop there, but, you can buy a whole world of quality products from reputable dealers on Amazon. You just have to take the time to see who is doing the selling and what their reputation is. If you are in too much of a hurry to check and your only criteria is price, you're probably going to get screwed. About an hour ago I ordered several hundred dollars worth of air conditioning test equipment on Amazon, after first checking the vendor's rating. I have no worries about it getting to me on schedule and being exactly what I ordered. Same is true for memory cards, filters, and countless other products. You just got to pay attention to who you are buying from. Just like any other market place.

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Jun 24, 2022 10:07:51   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
Rechargeable batteries I found will eventually not hold a charge as long and need to be replaced especially using them in a flash. They get to a thresh hold and then get too weak. A testor may show they are charged, it’s not enough to refresh the flash in a timely manner.
I have gone back to energizers in bulk packs from Sam’s club or Costco. Once they drain too far for recycling the flash I use them for tv clickers. Once they are too weak for the clicker I recycle them at local car parts dealer.

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Jun 25, 2022 15:44:50   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
I tried EBL because I read that they were trying to take over the rechargeable battery market. I have not been happy with the batteries or the charger.
I bought one charger on Amazon, and often when I put batteries in, it read error and stopped charging.
I complained on Amazon, and they sent me another charger. It seems to work ok, but it still is not a good charger. Takes too long, even if they say that it is a fast and smart charger.

My advice, stay away.

Ikea are the best.

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Jun 25, 2022 17:00:05   #
BebuLamar
 
topcat wrote:
I tried EBL because I read that they were trying to take over the rechargeable battery market. I have not been happy with the batteries or the charger.
I bought one charger on Amazon, and often when I put batteries in, it read error and stopped charging.
I complained on Amazon, and they sent me another charger. It seems to work ok, but it still is not a good charger. Takes too long, even if they say that it is a fast and smart charger.

My advice, stay away.

Ikea are the best.
I tried EBL because I read that they were trying t... (show quote)


They did it the wrong way. They are selling for very low prices and the batteries that getting more and more of the market is the most expensive Eneloop.

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Jun 25, 2022 18:49:30   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Way too close to New York City
 
BebuLamar wrote:
They did it the wrong way. They are selling for very low prices and the batteries that getting more and more of the market is the most expensive Eneloop.


Eneloop batteries are not expensive IMHO. Amazon sells a package of 16 for 37.50 ($2.34 each). Amazon sells a package of 16 EBL batteries for $17.99 ($1.12 each). The lifetime of the Eneloop battery is way more than the cheap NiCds I used to buy. I used to get maybe a year out of my NiCds. I have had my Eneloops for a decade. So compare $1.12/battery-year to $0.234/battery-year.

It's an example of saving money with higher priced quality compared to lower priced cheap products.

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Jun 25, 2022 19:12:02   #
BebuLamar
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Eneloop batteries are not expensive IMHO. Amazon sells a package of 16 for 37.50 ($2.34 each). Amazon sells a package of 16 EBL batteries for $17.99 ($1.12 each). The lifetime of the Eneloop battery is way more than the cheap NiCds I used to buy. I used to get maybe a year out of my NiCds. I have had my Eneloops for a decade. So compare $1.12/battery-year to $0.234/battery-year.

It's an example of saving money with higher priced quality compared to lower priced cheap products.


But if you compare the price of the Eneloop to all other brands of AA NiMH it's the most expensive. Of course it's good and it's worth the money. So if you want to own the market you must make a good product and you can sell for the higher price. Going for cheap won't do it.

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Jun 25, 2022 19:25:28   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Way too close to New York City
 
BebuLamar wrote:
But if you compare the price of the Eneloop to all other brands of AA NiMH it's the most expensive. Of course it's good and it's worth the money. So if you want to own the market you must make a good product and you can sell for the higher price. Going for cheap won't do it.


It's the most expensive in the short term. It's the cheapest in the long term.

There is value in time.

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