Yes, photographing slides to make them into digital files can be frustration. First clean them, sort them photograph them and then be disappointed after all the that work. Been there. Now I have my cleaned slides in a carousel, set up the screen and turn on the projector and enjoy. Brings back wonderful memories but that's me. Cheers.
Artcameraman wrote:
First clean them, sort them photograph them and then be disappointed after all the that work. Been there.
Nonsense. Projection may be the best way to view slides, assuming a decent projector and slides that haven't deteriorated over time, but you can't share them. This is why people digitize slides and negatives, not to mention the fact that you can clean them up and adjust for things like fading and color shifts before they get any worse. This is a picture of my mother taken in 1974 in a hotel room in Boston at the time of my college graduation. The original was taken on High Speed Ektachrome that was push processed to ASA 400. The camera was a Nikon FTn with a 50mm f/1.4 lens. The slide was photographed with a Nikon D810 and a 55mm f/2.8 AF Micro lens over a traditional light box. (Three 6000K fluorescent tubes inside.) I photographed it RAW and did some adjustments in Photoshop. I could tweak it further, but I'm satisfied with this, and the JPEG file will not ever color shift or fade over time.
therwol wrote:
Nonsense. Projection may be the best way to view slides, assuming a decent projector and slides that haven't deteriorated over time, but you can't share them. This is why people digitize slides and negatives, not to mention the fact that you can clean them up and adjust for things like fading and color shifts before they get any worse. This is a picture of my mother taken in 1974 in a hotel room in Boston at the time of my college graduation. The original was taken on High Speed Ektachrome that was push processed to ASA 400. The camera was a Nikon FTn with a 50mm f/1.4 lens. The slide was photographed with a Nikon D810 and a 55mm f/2.8 AF Micro lens over a traditional light box. (Three 6000K fluorescent tubes inside.) I photographed it RAW and did some adjustments in Photoshop. I could tweak it further, but I'm satisfied with this, and the JPEG file will not ever color shift or fade over time.
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Ahh, High Speed Ektachrome with a 1.33 stop push! I recall that combination. Part of my inspiration for becoming a multi-image producer in 1979 was a 1973 part time job I had while in high school, doing PR work for a local technical college. I burned through about 200' of bulk-loaded High Speed Ektachrome, and most of it was pushed like that. Same camera and lens, plus a 135mm f/2.8 and a 35mm f/2. 80% of it was exposed under cool white fluorescents with an FL-D filter over the lens. Color was approximate, but good enough for the application.
Iβm astounded how highly you ranked Agfachrome: my β70βs slides have a color shift as range as the box they were returned in!
In contrast, properly stored Kodachrome exhibit no color shift whatsoever. My fatherβs slides from Korea during the war look basically new.
joecichjr
Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
therwol wrote:
Nonsense. Projection may be the best way to view slides, assuming a decent projector and slides that haven't deteriorated over time, but you can't share them. This is why people digitize slides and negatives, not to mention the fact that you can clean them up and adjust for things like fading and color shifts before they get any worse. This is a picture of my mother taken in 1974 in a hotel room in Boston at the time of my college graduation. The original was taken on High Speed Ektachrome that was push processed to ASA 400. The camera was a Nikon FTn with a 50mm f/1.4 lens. The slide was photographed with a Nikon D810 and a 55mm f/2.8 AF Micro lens over a traditional light box. (Three 6000K fluorescent tubes inside.) I photographed it RAW and did some adjustments in Photoshop. I could tweak it further, but I'm satisfied with this, and the JPEG file will not ever color shift or fade over time.
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joecichjr wrote:
Beautiful portrait πποΈπποΈπ
Thank you. In an era when most people were using Kodak Instamatic cameras and sometimes Polaroids, I was so lucky that my father bought me a decent camera. I used that one for a couple of decades, and it was going to be my "forever" camera, but then digital came along. I still have it.
It is a tedious process, but not terribly complex. You should bet able to get acceptable results with your equipment.
But do more testing. You mentioned that the lens alone gave better results.
The ES-2 is only compatible with 4 Nikon lenses (1 Dx 1 Z, and 2 AF-s 60mm micro Nikkor f/2.8's the ED and the D) Each of those requires a different adapter. You describe your lens as a 60 1.2 ? is that a typo?
Is your lens in fact one of the compatible lenses? Do you have the proper adapter for the ES2?
Those would be the first questions to answer.
If your lens is NOT compatible with the ES2 but focuses to 1:1 you can just shoot on a light box.
In any event you should use controlled lighting of known color (you are trying to correct lots of different color casts)
It could be a Good LED photographic light source, or electronic flash.
You spend your time setting up a controlled setup, so once dialed in, you can then do them fairly quickly.
Shoot RAW for maximum flexibility in correction. Find one good dead sharp slide, and work with that to dial in the setup. Remember, film in cardboard mounts is rarely flat so a lot of light and a smaller f/stop will help. Be sure to focus in live view. By tethering to a computer you can see large results in real time. You can also build a couple color correction presets to get you in the ball park quickly.
I hope this helps
joecichjr
Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
burkphoto wrote:
Good approach! I use live view with my setup for extended sessions. It works great. But so does Panasonic's DFD autofocus when copying film. (It sucks for action photography, but its the best for still life, motionless subjects like copy work.) I am using a 30mm lens at f/5.6 (equivalent depth of field to f/11 on full frame with a 60mm lens).
Here's another sample image. This is an outtake from an album cover job I did for John Stanfield, a very talented 12-string guitarist from NC. I made it on Ilford Pan-F in 1976. Best viewed on a 4K monitor in download mode. (Original enlarged using Lightroom Classic's Photo Enhance Raw Details with Super Resolution.)
The album is Carolina 12-String. You can hear it on YouTube. Original recording is on Philo-Fretless Records.
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Aloysius wrote:
Iβm astounded how highly you ranked Agfachrome: my β70βs slides have a color shift as range as the box they were returned in!
In contrast, properly stored Kodachrome exhibit no color shift whatsoever. My fatherβs slides from Korea during the war look basically new.
My Kodachrome slides dating to the 60s have remained stable over all of these years, but surprisingly, so have my Ektachrome slides. I'm shocked when people send me scans of their Ektachrome slides and other slides from different manufacturers that have degraded severely. Mine have not. My high school track coach (1960s) sent me some boxes of slides that had turned completely red and asked if I could fix them. I did the best I could and got some viewable images out of them, but there is only so much you can do with material like that. (Converting them to black and white is an option. Playing with the neural filters i Photoshop to recolorize them is another.)
therwol wrote:
My Kodachrome slides dating to the 60s have remained stable over all of these years, but surprisingly, so have my Ektachrome slides. I'm shocked when people send me scans of their Ektachrome slides and other slides from different manufacturers that have degraded severely. Mine have not. My high school track coach (1960s) sent me some boxes of slides that had turned completely red and asked if I could fix them. I did the best I could and got some viewable images out of them, but there is only so much you can do with material like that. (Converting them to black and white is an option. Playing with the neural filters i Photoshop to recolorize them is another.)
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Ektachrome varied greatly from generation to generation. Early E6 process up to late 1990s is the worst. I have 1950s Anscochromes as good as Kodachromes. But Agfachromes and β70s Fujichromes are mostly awful.
If right on focus with that lens you should be able to see grain in film Looks like out of focus or shaken
Try self timer or if you can cable release
You are correct in using RAW then you could convert to TIFf and use VueScan excellent filters to correct color shifts
Using film scanners scanned probably over 50k slides and negs over many years Personally like scanners but direct off the film not through glass
While camera scanning can work needs to be done very carefully
Some member posted an amazing tutorial on this
I've had great success with the Nikon ES-2 adapter. I use an off-camera flash to illuminate them.
Aloysius wrote:
Iβm astounded how highly you ranked Agfachrome: my β70βs slides have a color shift as range as the box they were returned in!
In contrast, properly stored Kodachrome exhibit no color shift whatsoever. My fatherβs slides from Korea during the war look basically new.
I was pretty astounded as well but it is what it is. No explanation why as they were all in the attic with heavy temperature shifts from summer to winter. What really astounded me was how poorly the purchased commercial slides I purchased at some site. They were almost purple and I haven't even tried adjusting them.
MJPerini wrote:
It is a tedious process, but not terribly complex. You should bet able to get acceptable results with your equipment.
But do more testing. You mentioned that the lens alone gave better results.
The ES-2 is only compatible with 4 Nikon lenses (1 Dx 1 Z, and 2 AF-s 60mm micro Nikkor f/2.8's the ED and the D) Each of those requires a different adapter. You describe your lens as a 60 1.2 ? is that a typo?
Is your lens in fact one of the compatible lenses? Do you have the proper adapter for the ES2?
Those would be the first questions to answer.
If your lens is NOT compatible with the ES2 but focuses to 1:1 you can just shoot on a light box.
In any event you should use controlled lighting of known color (you are trying to correct lots of different color casts)
It could be a Good LED photographic light source, or electronic flash.
You spend your time setting up a controlled setup, so once dialed in, you can then do them fairly quickly.
Shoot RAW for maximum flexibility in correction. Find one good dead sharp slide, and work with that to dial in the setup. Remember, film in cardboard mounts is rarely flat so a lot of light and a smaller f/stop will help. Be sure to focus in live view. By tethering to a computer you can see large results in real time. You can also build a couple color correction presets to get you in the ball park quickly.
I hope this helps
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MJ, thank you for taking the time to explain your setup. I'm sure you get great results using it. To answer your questions: Yes, it's a typo. I have a Nikkor 60mm f2.8 ED, and the proper adapter; I use the best light source - Sunlight!. My setup is outside on my patio. I initially shot RAW then tried Jpg (fine) and first used LR then tried PS. Using Jpeg, PS and camera raw filter proved easier, faster, and just as successful. That's just my opinion.
I manually focused in LiveView. AutoFocus didn't work as well for me. I don't think it was the lens - maybe the slides, but the extra few seconds made a positive difference.
Also, shot in Aperture Preferred, set at f8 or f11 and an ISO of 200. Some of the darker slides had slow shutter speeds so some adjustments were made.
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