"Hence, Mike Pence"
Jun 19, 2022 07:22:45 #
"WASHINGTON — The fate of a sycophant is never a happy one.
At first, you think that fawning over the boss is a good way to move forward. But when you are dealing with a narcissist — and narcissists are the ones who like to be surrounded by sycophants — you can never be unctuous enough.
Narcissists are Grand Canyons of need. The more they are flattered, the more their appetite for flattery grows.
That is the hard, almost fatal, lesson Pence learned on J*** 6, when he finally stood up to Donald Trump after Trump asked for one teensy favor: Help destroy American democracy and all we stand for.
Two new photos shown at a hearing of the House committee investigating J*** 6 tell a shocking story — one of the most incredible in our nation’s history.
In one, Karen Pence is protectively pulling a gold-fringed curtain shut in the vice president’s ceremonial office in the Capitol, off the Senate floor, as Pence — sitting beneath a large gilt mirror — stares off into space, probably wondering where it all went wrong.
Mike Pence in his office in the Capitol on J*** 6, as his wife, Karen, closes the curtains to keep the r****rs from looking in. The Pences, including his brother Greg and his daughter Charlotte, awaited the securing of the building.
We learned this week that when the vice president fled down the stairs, followed by an Air Force officer carrying the nuclear launch codes, the marauding mob was a few feet from him.
In a second picture, taken after Pence was brought to a secure location in an underground garage, his daughter Charlotte is anxiously watching him. He is holding a phone to his ear as he stares at another phone showing a video of Trump professing love for the crowd, which included some who carried baseball bats and zip ties and chanted “Hang Mike Pence!”
In the early afternoon, as the crowd tore down barricades and fought police, White House staffers worried things were “getting out of hand,” as Sarah Matthews, a Trump aide, testified.
They thought that the president needed to tweet something immediately. At 2:24 p.m., they got a notification that the president had indeed tweeted. But it was not the calming tweet they had hoped for; it was one designed to drive the r****rs into a frenzy.
“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify,” Trump tweeted. “USA demands the t***h!”
As Matthews recalled in her deposition, “The situation was already bad, and so it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting that.”
Trump was still steaming from the contentious morning phone call when he failed to persuade the vice president to reject some of the states’ e*****rs so they could be replaced with f**e e*****rs who supported Trump. He had railed at Pence with emasculating epithets.
As Trump recalled in a speech on Friday in Nashville, “I said to Mike, ‘If you do this, you can be Thomas Jefferson.’ And then, after it all went down, I looked at him one day and said, ‘I h**e to say this, but you’re no Thomas Jefferson.’”
In the same speech, Trump had another line that was strikingly delusional, even for him. “For the radical left,” he said, “politics has become their religion. It has warped their sense of right and wrong. They don’t have a sense of right and wrong, true and false, good and evil.”
Trump sparked the mob to seek vengeance against Pence the same way Henry II sparked a crew to murder Thomas Becket, the archbishop of Canterbury, in 1170. According to legend, after Becket defied Henry by excommunicating bishops supportive of the king, Henry muttered something to the effect of, “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?” Four knights immediately rode to Canterbury Cathedral and sliced up Becket.
The line became a famous example of directing loyalists with indirection, cloaking an order as a wish. Who will rid me of this meddlesome vice president?
A Times video, showing how the P***d B**s breached the Capitol, underscored that within the confederacy of dunces, there was an actual organized conspiracy. The group began plotting even before the e******n to take up arms for Trump. When Trump barked “Stand back and stand by” about the P***d B**s during his debate with Joe Biden, the P***d B**s felt as though they had received a directive, like Henry’s knights.
With each hearing, it becomes clearer that Trump has no plausible deniability. He put the lives of the vice president and his family at risk, as well as the lives of lawmakers, by sending a crowd, stewing in lies, into a frenzy.
Pence did not have the power to do what Trump wanted, and it’s good that he resisted the insane, illegal and unconstitutional plan of the narcissist in the Oval. But Pence still wants it both ways. He has steered clear of the committee. He wants to become president by staying on the good side of Trump supporters, but they’re never going to forgive him.
At the end of the day of infamy, John Eastman, the nutty lawyer trying to help Trump overturn the e******n, sent an email imploring Pence to adjourn the c***********l c***********n so sympathetic state legislators could help with Trump’s fairy tale of a r****d e******n.
When Greg Jacob, Pence’s counsel, showed the email to the vice president, Pence said, “That’s rubber room stuff.”
The fate of a sycophant is never a happy one."
Maureen Dowd
At first, you think that fawning over the boss is a good way to move forward. But when you are dealing with a narcissist — and narcissists are the ones who like to be surrounded by sycophants — you can never be unctuous enough.
Narcissists are Grand Canyons of need. The more they are flattered, the more their appetite for flattery grows.
That is the hard, almost fatal, lesson Pence learned on J*** 6, when he finally stood up to Donald Trump after Trump asked for one teensy favor: Help destroy American democracy and all we stand for.
Two new photos shown at a hearing of the House committee investigating J*** 6 tell a shocking story — one of the most incredible in our nation’s history.
In one, Karen Pence is protectively pulling a gold-fringed curtain shut in the vice president’s ceremonial office in the Capitol, off the Senate floor, as Pence — sitting beneath a large gilt mirror — stares off into space, probably wondering where it all went wrong.
Mike Pence in his office in the Capitol on J*** 6, as his wife, Karen, closes the curtains to keep the r****rs from looking in. The Pences, including his brother Greg and his daughter Charlotte, awaited the securing of the building.
We learned this week that when the vice president fled down the stairs, followed by an Air Force officer carrying the nuclear launch codes, the marauding mob was a few feet from him.
In a second picture, taken after Pence was brought to a secure location in an underground garage, his daughter Charlotte is anxiously watching him. He is holding a phone to his ear as he stares at another phone showing a video of Trump professing love for the crowd, which included some who carried baseball bats and zip ties and chanted “Hang Mike Pence!”
In the early afternoon, as the crowd tore down barricades and fought police, White House staffers worried things were “getting out of hand,” as Sarah Matthews, a Trump aide, testified.
They thought that the president needed to tweet something immediately. At 2:24 p.m., they got a notification that the president had indeed tweeted. But it was not the calming tweet they had hoped for; it was one designed to drive the r****rs into a frenzy.
“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify,” Trump tweeted. “USA demands the t***h!”
As Matthews recalled in her deposition, “The situation was already bad, and so it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting that.”
Trump was still steaming from the contentious morning phone call when he failed to persuade the vice president to reject some of the states’ e*****rs so they could be replaced with f**e e*****rs who supported Trump. He had railed at Pence with emasculating epithets.
As Trump recalled in a speech on Friday in Nashville, “I said to Mike, ‘If you do this, you can be Thomas Jefferson.’ And then, after it all went down, I looked at him one day and said, ‘I h**e to say this, but you’re no Thomas Jefferson.’”
In the same speech, Trump had another line that was strikingly delusional, even for him. “For the radical left,” he said, “politics has become their religion. It has warped their sense of right and wrong. They don’t have a sense of right and wrong, true and false, good and evil.”
Trump sparked the mob to seek vengeance against Pence the same way Henry II sparked a crew to murder Thomas Becket, the archbishop of Canterbury, in 1170. According to legend, after Becket defied Henry by excommunicating bishops supportive of the king, Henry muttered something to the effect of, “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?” Four knights immediately rode to Canterbury Cathedral and sliced up Becket.
The line became a famous example of directing loyalists with indirection, cloaking an order as a wish. Who will rid me of this meddlesome vice president?
A Times video, showing how the P***d B**s breached the Capitol, underscored that within the confederacy of dunces, there was an actual organized conspiracy. The group began plotting even before the e******n to take up arms for Trump. When Trump barked “Stand back and stand by” about the P***d B**s during his debate with Joe Biden, the P***d B**s felt as though they had received a directive, like Henry’s knights.
With each hearing, it becomes clearer that Trump has no plausible deniability. He put the lives of the vice president and his family at risk, as well as the lives of lawmakers, by sending a crowd, stewing in lies, into a frenzy.
Pence did not have the power to do what Trump wanted, and it’s good that he resisted the insane, illegal and unconstitutional plan of the narcissist in the Oval. But Pence still wants it both ways. He has steered clear of the committee. He wants to become president by staying on the good side of Trump supporters, but they’re never going to forgive him.
At the end of the day of infamy, John Eastman, the nutty lawyer trying to help Trump overturn the e******n, sent an email imploring Pence to adjourn the c***********l c***********n so sympathetic state legislators could help with Trump’s fairy tale of a r****d e******n.
When Greg Jacob, Pence’s counsel, showed the email to the vice president, Pence said, “That’s rubber room stuff.”
The fate of a sycophant is never a happy one."
Maureen Dowd
Jun 19, 2022 10:43:18 #
Jun 19, 2022 11:47:26 #
Racmanaz
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tradio wrote:
You poor thing..Trump has destroyed you.
The OP lives in fear of Trump. Trump resides in his head RENT FREE 24-7-365.
Jun 20, 2022 09:39:02 #
IMHO, Pence was/is not a sycophant. He is a dutiful man, and I believe that was the reason he treated Trump as he did. He saw it as his duty as VP, just as it was his duty to certify the e******n results.
Jun 20, 2022 10:01:05 #
Rab-Eye wrote:
IMHO, Pence was/is not a sycophant. He is a dutiful man, and I believe that was the reason he treated Trump as he did. He saw it as his duty as VP, just as it was his duty to certify the e******n results.
That's an interesting take on Pence and makes him sound admirable. But I would then go back in time and ask what motivated him to serve a despicable person like Trump; surely Trump's character and personality are irksome to a devout Christian like Pence. All I can think of is greed for power... and that does not make him admirable.
Jun 20, 2022 10:01:12 #
Rab-Eye wrote:
IMHO, Pence was/is not a sycophant. He is a dutiful man, and I believe that was the reason he treated Trump as he did. He saw it as his duty as VP, just as it was his duty to certify the e******n results.
I don’t disagree. He had a undeniable Constitutional duty that he understood; and he further understood that doing his duty meant to break with Trump—who either didn’t understand, or didn’t care. For that, Trump questioned his courage and called him a “wimp” and probably “pussy”. We will never know that if the Proud Boyd had got to him, if in their mindset of a lunch mob, and freaky excitement, they would have done him physical harm. Trump didn’t seem to care about that either.
I don’t credit Pence for refusing Trump’s directive—he had little Constitutional choice. I do admire him for staying at the Capitol and finishing the business of government that day—the certification of a new President. If he had left, as many of his inner circle were prepared to do; and left the certification for another day, the delay we days would have mucked up the process, perhaps irreparably. That is exactly what Trump wanted.
Jun 20, 2022 11:51:08 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
"WASHINGTON — The fate of a sycophant is neve... (show quote)
And yet one more libtard spin on J** 6. Don't these opinion typists have anything better to do than stay awake at night thinking of a new way to repeat the same thing day after day? It's looking more and more like Dowd, Rubin, Easley, Milbank and other hired typists masquerading as journalists are only competing with one another to see who can come up with the most hysterical storyline. None of them are presenting anything new.
Jun 20, 2022 12:04:27 #
FrumCA wrote:
And yet one more libtard spin on J** 6. Don't these opinion typists have anything better to do than stay awake at night thinking of a new way to repeat the same thing day after day? It's looking more and more like Dowd, Rubin, Easley, Milbank and other hired typists masquerading as journalists are only competing with one another to see who can come up with the most hysterical storyline. None of them are presenting anything new.
The J** 6 investigation is uncovering thungs we haven’t heard before, from previous Trump loyalists, and the journalists are writing about the new c**p revelations. That is the way it is supposed to work. I dint understand your criticism of journalists reporting and opining about the lastest developments. They are not masquerading—they are real, paid journalists doing their jobs. Your problem is you don’t like what they write.
Jun 20, 2022 12:07:08 #
What has happened since J****** 6th is what Trump was encouraging quote "Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify,” Trump tweeted. “USA demands the t***h!" So now the t***h is out just as Trump demanded. States have investigated the so called fraudulent investigation and found little or no proof so even if Pence had turned it over the t***h would have vindicated Biden and he would still be president which he won't be after 2024 especially if he keeps falling off his bike.
Jun 20, 2022 14:41:14 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
The J** 6 investigation is uncovering thungs we haven’t heard before, from previous Trump loyalists, and the journalists are writing about the new c**p revelations. That is the way it is supposed to work. I dint understand your criticism of journalists reporting and opining about the lastest developments. They are not masquerading—they are real, paid journalists doing their jobs. Your problem is you don’t like what they write.
No. What I don't like is the persistent use of descriptive adjectives that are used by these opinion writers to conjure up a vision of something that may not or is not an accurate description of reality. If you want to paint a picture, then show what you're referring to and let the viewer decide what is being conveyed. There are always two sides to a story. So far, the committee has presented only one.
Jun 20, 2022 14:55:03 #
FrumCA wrote:
No. What I don't like is the persistent use of descriptive adjectives that are used by these opinion writers to conjure up a vision of something that may not or is not an accurate description of reality. If you want to paint a picture, then show what you're referring to and let the viewer decide what is being conveyed. There are always two sides to a story. So far, the committee has presented only one.
Pot meet kettle
Jun 20, 2022 14:57:31 #
FrumCA wrote:
No. What I don't like is the persistent use of descriptive adjectives that are used by these opinion writers to conjure up a vision of something that may not or is not an accurate description of reality. If you want to paint a picture, then show what you're referring to and let the viewer decide what is being conveyed. There are always two sides to a story. So far, the committee has presented only one.
Many in the Republic leadership that were subpoenaed to testify before the committee have refused to testify—Meadows, Navarro, McCarthy etc.
Navarro has been indicted for contempt. These guys could paint a very pretty and accurate picture, but refuse to appear befor the committee because their sworn testimony would be damning to Trump and themselves. Eastman testified but pled the fifth over 100 times. The committee is fact finding, but cannot get testimony from a non-cooperating witness.
Jun 20, 2022 14:59:59 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
Many in the Republic leadership that were subpoenaed to testify before the committee have refused to testify—Meadows, Navarro, McCarthy etc.
Navarro has been indicted for contempt. These guys could paint a very pretty and accurate picture, but refuse to appear befor the committee because their sworn testimony would be damning to Trump and themselves. Eastman testified but pled the fifth over 100 times. The committee is fact finding, but cannot get testimony from a non-cooperating witness.
Navarro has been indicted for contempt. These guys could paint a very pretty and accurate picture, but refuse to appear befor the committee because their sworn testimony would be damning to Trump and themselves. Eastman testified but pled the fifth over 100 times. The committee is fact finding, but cannot get testimony from a non-cooperating witness.
Is it possible these folks refused to appear because they knew or suspected the inquiry would loft one-sided questions at them? I didn't see Eastman's testimony but he does, after all, have the right to invoke the Fifth if he feels it's justified. Guess you aren't OK with that.
Jun 20, 2022 15:14:40 #
FrumCA wrote:
Is it possible these folks refused to appear because they knew or suspected the inquiry would loft one-sided questions at them? I didn't see Eastman's testimony but he does, after all, have the right to invoke the Fifth if he feels it's justified. Guess you aren't OK with that.
Some refused to testify because if they told the t***h they would exposed in a possible crime—s*******s conspiracy. Others didn’t want to rat out Trump. MeCarthy was critical of Trump initially and later changed his story. Eastman pleaded the fifth and subsequently asked to be put on Trump’s pardon list. Navarro stupidly admitted in an interview that ithe actions were a planned c**p. Excuse me, but your rationalizations to protect Trump are getting tedious.
A Trump aid how now said that Trump privately admitted that he lost the e******n. Trump perpetuated the Big Lie out of narcissistic p***e. Trump is sick.
Jun 20, 2022 15:28:38 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
Some refused to testify because if they told the t... (show quote)
No excuses necessary. I understand your mindset. I'm not trying to protect him. I don't know if there was a s*******s conspiracy and I'm not going to roll over on what someone told me. I just want to see both sides of the story. I do know that we aren't going to get that from these programmed hearings. Your blanket acceptance without question of what you are hearing is getting equally tedious. You know we aren't going to agree so why keep after it??
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