r1ch Loc: Colorado

I totally agree but if someone says you shouldn't buy a Canon or a Sony because they are poor quality and have a poor de-mosaic engine that causes all their pictures to look like over sharpened water color painting, I won't let that slide. Sorry, kind of my personality.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

I'm not going to continue with this. First, the examples you provided are not particularly useful because you did not upload them in high resolution. In addition, to verify the quantity and quantity of fine detail, you really need to compare images zoomed in side by side to identify an issue. Second, I have wasted far too much time on this already. As I said from the start, I have no need to prove anything. Things are as they are.

I have been a beta tester for several other post processing programs over the years and ON1 in many respects is fine software. Based on my extensive testing and comparisons of ON1 output with a dozen of its competitors over the years, and after many discussions with developers and end users, ii is clear that the quality of ON1 processing is generally good, but it is second tier product. It doesn't reach the standards of the best raw software available. Whether or not you agree with this fact is inconsequential. Thousands of users, like yourself are happily using ON1 regularly. I am certainly not suggesting you should stop using it, but it doesn't meet my standards.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

I never said it was processed in Adobe. The issue is the quality of ON1's raw processing. Adobe, Capture 1 and DxO PhotoLab all are superior when processing raw files. I use all three and several other programs as well.

joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA

Looks like a fascinating place, beautifully shot

r1ch Loc: Colorado

You said. The ON1 raw demosaicing engine results in noticeably poorer quality conversions

You were not talking about editing, you were talking about de-mosaic conversion which is not editing.

You said..The ON1 raw demosaicing engine results in noticeably poorer quality conversions

Then you said.. It is not about my fast and dirty editing

This was about adobe now you said it is about DXO and Caprture 1 LOL. My link was about adobe.

I cannot do a comparison of those because I don't own them. This was about de-moseic and adobe. I would argure again, On1 de-mosaic is as good as either of those 2 because of what I have read online, but I have no way to prove it. So I won't.

My point again of this whole thing was there are alternates to Adobe and the lease license model. On1 is just one and it is a professional editor.

Capture 1 and Dxo make good products and you can buy them outright. You can say one is better than another but what I have read online there is little difference. But there are a few that say they like DXO and Capture one And because it is not Adobe month to month, I may try it. I will wait to around Christmas and if it goes on sale I may try one. I am not tied to any software. But I think still think you don't know how to edit and de-mosaic is not the problem, it is your editing.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

My comments about ON1 processing quality were never specifically in relation to Adobe products, Read my posts again. You just assumed they were. And while ON1 may be an alternative to the Adobe subscription model, it is not its equal, and ON1 is certainly not a professional level editor. My reference to quick and dirty editing were only there because you commented negatively on how the image looked.

r1ch Loc: Colorado

Well most online places, Imaging resources and others say On1 is professional and I trust what they say, and not what you say, you are deceptive. I was going to install Dxo trial until I watched some videos. It is not professional and lacks masking. The upoint is not a real mask, then they came up with the line. yeah no thanks.

Your quick and dirty editing shows you don't know how to use a photo editor.

I reviewed some of your images posted.
They all look fake. DXO editing you did looks like bad HDR.

Near Blowing Rock, North Carolina
Lincoln Memorial, before and after, from the Potomac River
Mother Earth
Whale Dance
Smithsonian Air & Space Annex
A before and after from the Grounds for Sculpture, Hamilton NJ

Including some of the ones your wife took from Ireland. The green colors screemed fake HDR

Sorry, they all look HDR fake or poorly done.

So you can talk garbage about On1 or how DXO is better, but your images speak you don't know what you are doing so I take your opinion with a grain of salt. And that you lead me to believe that we were talking about Adobe, but in reality, you were just trying to argue. Dishonest so you go on the ignore list.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Wow, you are really a nasty guy. Which sites call ON1 a professional editor? Perhaps you should look up the definition of quick and dirty. It is interesting that my wife's pictures from Ireland looked like fake HDR to you since they were unedited SOOC jpegs. All I did was rename them. Seems like you haven't a clue when you say such silly things. I looked at the few images you posted here and strongly suggest you avoid criticism of other people's efforts until you improve your own. Finally, regardless of all your denial, and spurious arguments, ON1 is still second tier software and is not the best choice available. Live with it.

r1ch Loc: Colorado

Ok, the ignore does not work like I thought it would. "You will also not see their topics in Newest Topics or Active Topics lists and in the digest."

While ON1 Photo RAW may not be discussed as much as Adobe Lightroom or Capture One, that doesn't mean that it doesn't fit into a professional workflow. It's capable, powerful software. Perhaps as importantly, it's also easy to use. https://www.imaging-resource.com/articles/the-best-photo-editing-software

Frankly I don't have to prove On1 or any editor is pro. I use Luminar and some don't think that is pro level. I really don't care. I watched some more videos on how DXO works, with control points, lines and local adjustments, you have to use chroma and luminance to control the maks. While on1 will do this, it can use many more things like AI. On1 just is a much more polish package.

You are a liar, the first image show this exif data. DXO Photo Lab 5.2.1
And I don't believe you loaded them into DXO just to rename them.. another lie.
So I am not nasty to people, but I don't react well to liars like you. I guess I will have to ignore you mentally. I am fine living with On1. It is a pro package superior editing capability with masks and filters compared to DXO. You will have to live with DXO and its ability to make all your photos look like bad HDR. LOL

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mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

You really are clueless. I used PhotoLab to batch rename a 157 of my wife's jpgs from Ireland. Since PhotoLab is a non-destructive editor you have to export the files even when just applying a filename change. There were absolutely no edits to those images. In fact, she only acquired the camera in early May and it is still only configured to capture jpegs not raw files. Perhaps you should be a little bit more careful before calling someone a liar when you don't know what you're talking about.

As I said before I'm glad you're enjoying using ON1. Unfortunately your continued insistence on suggesting that it's a pro level tool is purely wishful thinking on your part. And, your comments about DxO PhotoLab and its very powerful local adjustment masking shows your complete lack of understanding about how to get the best from.that software.

I was very amused to see the link you posted. Did you actually read the whole article? This is what it had to say about PhotoLab.

"...Starting with PhotoLab, DxO PhotoLab 5 is DxO's alternative to Lightroom. PhotoLab 5 separates itself from Lightroom through DxO's fantastic RAW processing tools and optical corrections. DxO develops lab-tested profiles for its supported cameras and lenses, resulting in the best corrections and most detailed RAW images we've seen.

...Another way that DxO PhotoLab 5 separates itself from the pack is through its local editing tools. DxO purchased Nik from Google a few years back. The purchase included Nik's excellent U-point editing technology. U-point allows you to make precise localized adjustments to any part of your image using selective editing features. It's as simple as placing a point on your image and moving sliders. Don't let its simplicity fool you; U Point is extremely powerful. A lot is going on under the hood. You can completely transform an image through U Point technology in just a few minutes. It's one of the most intuitive, easy-to-use localized editing tools available."

Hmm. Let me repeat an earlier part of that again. "the best corrections and most detailed RAW images we've seen". Note their use of the phrase most detailed. Interestingly, while the article explicitly mentions the quality of the raw processing in Lightroom, Capture 1, and PhotoLab, it does not say anything about the quality of ON1's raw conversions. Gee, I wonder why. In fact, one of the negatives they mentioned for ON1 is that while the AI tools are good, they can occasionally produce unrealistic results. Next time you use an article to support your point of view I suggest you actually try reading the whole thing first.

Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal

IF you're patient, there's a bundle deal on occasion.
For @ $80, I bought both Photoshop and Premier Elements.

wapiti Loc: round rock, texas

wapiti Loc: round rock, texas