"The J*** 6 c*******e exposed Trump's lies, and indicted the GOP in the process'"
Jun 13, 2022 16:46:23 #
"The House select committee investigating the J*** 6 i**********n utterly destroyed on Monday the “big lie” that the 2020 e******n was s****n. In doing so, the committee demonstrated that the GOP’s willingness to lie and undermine our democracy, which continues to this day, has been as reprehensible as former president Donald Trump’s.
Monday’s session, which followed the committee’s first dramatic hearing last Thursday, drilled down into the first prong of Trump’s strategy to remain in power: to undermine the e******n by falsely claiming it was stolen. The committee not only showed testimony from former Trump aides that none of the wild claims amounted to any proof of fraud, but also Trump’s own remarks far before the November e******n that he was going to declare fraud if he lost. The clips support the accusation that Trump set out to use fraud as an excuse, regardless of the facts.
Before the Monday session began, the committee announced that Trump’s former campaign manager Bill Stepien would not appear as scheduled due to his wife going into labor. That might have been fortuitous, given the difficulty of questioning a hostile witness. (Stepien, who is advising the campaign of Rep. Liz Cheney’s primary opponent and other MAGA candidates, might have sought to throw sand in the gears of the proceedings.)
Nevertheless, Stepien’s pre-recorded video testimony, as well as testimony from former attorney general William P. Barr and former Fox News editor Chris Stirewalt, demolished the notion that there was ever evidence of fraud that would reverse the e******n’s outcome. Barr told Trump this. So do Stepien. So did acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen. When Justice Department officials debunked baseless claims one by one about fraud in Michigan, Georgia and Pennsylvania, Trump threw out even more ludicrous claims. The primary officials pushing the “big lie” were crazed confidants such as Rudy Giuliani and Peter Navarro. (Navarro at one point accused Trump’s then-campaign lawyer of being in league with the “deep state.”)
Barr testified in his deposition that at one point, Trump yelled at him and the White House counsel. “[He] was as mad as I’ve ever seen him, and he was trying to control himself," Barr said. He paraphrased Trump’s reply: “Well, this is, you know, k*****g me. You didn’t have to say this. You must’ve said this because you h**e Trump.” Barr went through evidence to debunk allegations of fraud in Detroit. He called the claims about D******n v****g machines “i***tic.” Trump was “indignant.” The next day, Trump reiterated on Fox News the same claims Barr had debunked.
On Dec. 14, Trump again insisted there was fraud, claiming it meant he would have a “second term.” Barr observed that Trump had "become detached from reality” and reiterated that “the e******n was not stolen by fraud.” He was convinced Trump “wasn’t listening.”
All this leads to the conclusion that Trump was so adamant not to acquire the “loser” title that he furiously sought confirmation of specious allegations. Finding none, he was willing to burn down the system to keep power. This is not delusion; it’s intentional destruction of American democracy.
Skeptics might claim Trump was so nuts that he disbelieved every adviser who dismissed claims that the e******n was r****d. If that’s the case, what is the excuse for e******n deniers such as House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy? If Trump is deranged, Republicans bear an even greater responsibility for the mayhem and continued threat to democracy. Presumably, they can process facts and accept the findings of the Trump inner circle, the courts and Republican secretaries of state that there was no fraud rendering the e******n illegitimate.
Other witnesses on Monday proved just as devastating. Byung J. “BJay” Pak, former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, testified that Barr had told him he had not seen evidence of a “suitcase of b****ts" in Atlanta but to go investigate. That suitcase was an official lockbox. There was no fraud.
Pak described a remarkably thorough investigation, the conclusions of which were relayed to Trump. Former acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue via video also testified, “We looked into that and it’s just not true. I told the president myself that several times.”
Pak’s testimony seems to confirms the widely held opinion of many legal experts that prosecution of Trump for his actions to pressure Georgia state e******n officials might be the easily proven aspect of Trump’s c**p attempt. In that regard, the J*** 6 c*******e’s hearing is as much aimed at Fani Willis, the district attorney investigating Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 e******n results in Fulton County, Ga., as it is Attorney General Merrick Garland.
Barr’s testimony similarly debunked the claim that there were more v**es than v**ers in Philadelphia, which Barr called “rubbish.” Philadelphia’s former Republican city commissioner Al Schmidt also testified that his office checked out all claims, no matter how insane, and found nothing. He described the intense level of threats following Trump’s malicious accusations via Twitter. The threats became more “specific” and “graphic.”
Republican e******n attorney Ben Ginsberg testified that the 2020 e******n was “not close” and that Trump had his day in court. He reminded the committee that post-e******n audits found no credible evidence of fraud. Excerpts of opinions from one Trump-appointed judge after another confirmed the lack the evidence.
At the close of the Monday session, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) showed how Trump used f**e claims of fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars, encouraging supporters to donate to the “Official E******n Defense Fund,” which the committee said does not exist. If true, the Trump campaign — and Trump personally — could be liable for a s**m. Once more, Trump has been revealed to be a huckster. Financial fraud seems to be promising lead to follow. On the 50th anniversary of Watergate, once more we should remember: Follow the money.
In the end, no reasonable person could doubt the outcome of the 2020 e******n. Trump never had evidence of fraud. And he was willing to destroy the country to stay in power when he lost. That’s an indictment for the Republicans who continue to support him."
Jennifer Rubin
Monday’s session, which followed the committee’s first dramatic hearing last Thursday, drilled down into the first prong of Trump’s strategy to remain in power: to undermine the e******n by falsely claiming it was stolen. The committee not only showed testimony from former Trump aides that none of the wild claims amounted to any proof of fraud, but also Trump’s own remarks far before the November e******n that he was going to declare fraud if he lost. The clips support the accusation that Trump set out to use fraud as an excuse, regardless of the facts.
Before the Monday session began, the committee announced that Trump’s former campaign manager Bill Stepien would not appear as scheduled due to his wife going into labor. That might have been fortuitous, given the difficulty of questioning a hostile witness. (Stepien, who is advising the campaign of Rep. Liz Cheney’s primary opponent and other MAGA candidates, might have sought to throw sand in the gears of the proceedings.)
Nevertheless, Stepien’s pre-recorded video testimony, as well as testimony from former attorney general William P. Barr and former Fox News editor Chris Stirewalt, demolished the notion that there was ever evidence of fraud that would reverse the e******n’s outcome. Barr told Trump this. So do Stepien. So did acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen. When Justice Department officials debunked baseless claims one by one about fraud in Michigan, Georgia and Pennsylvania, Trump threw out even more ludicrous claims. The primary officials pushing the “big lie” were crazed confidants such as Rudy Giuliani and Peter Navarro. (Navarro at one point accused Trump’s then-campaign lawyer of being in league with the “deep state.”)
Barr testified in his deposition that at one point, Trump yelled at him and the White House counsel. “[He] was as mad as I’ve ever seen him, and he was trying to control himself," Barr said. He paraphrased Trump’s reply: “Well, this is, you know, k*****g me. You didn’t have to say this. You must’ve said this because you h**e Trump.” Barr went through evidence to debunk allegations of fraud in Detroit. He called the claims about D******n v****g machines “i***tic.” Trump was “indignant.” The next day, Trump reiterated on Fox News the same claims Barr had debunked.
On Dec. 14, Trump again insisted there was fraud, claiming it meant he would have a “second term.” Barr observed that Trump had "become detached from reality” and reiterated that “the e******n was not stolen by fraud.” He was convinced Trump “wasn’t listening.”
All this leads to the conclusion that Trump was so adamant not to acquire the “loser” title that he furiously sought confirmation of specious allegations. Finding none, he was willing to burn down the system to keep power. This is not delusion; it’s intentional destruction of American democracy.
Skeptics might claim Trump was so nuts that he disbelieved every adviser who dismissed claims that the e******n was r****d. If that’s the case, what is the excuse for e******n deniers such as House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy? If Trump is deranged, Republicans bear an even greater responsibility for the mayhem and continued threat to democracy. Presumably, they can process facts and accept the findings of the Trump inner circle, the courts and Republican secretaries of state that there was no fraud rendering the e******n illegitimate.
Other witnesses on Monday proved just as devastating. Byung J. “BJay” Pak, former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, testified that Barr had told him he had not seen evidence of a “suitcase of b****ts" in Atlanta but to go investigate. That suitcase was an official lockbox. There was no fraud.
Pak described a remarkably thorough investigation, the conclusions of which were relayed to Trump. Former acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue via video also testified, “We looked into that and it’s just not true. I told the president myself that several times.”
Pak’s testimony seems to confirms the widely held opinion of many legal experts that prosecution of Trump for his actions to pressure Georgia state e******n officials might be the easily proven aspect of Trump’s c**p attempt. In that regard, the J*** 6 c*******e’s hearing is as much aimed at Fani Willis, the district attorney investigating Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 e******n results in Fulton County, Ga., as it is Attorney General Merrick Garland.
Barr’s testimony similarly debunked the claim that there were more v**es than v**ers in Philadelphia, which Barr called “rubbish.” Philadelphia’s former Republican city commissioner Al Schmidt also testified that his office checked out all claims, no matter how insane, and found nothing. He described the intense level of threats following Trump’s malicious accusations via Twitter. The threats became more “specific” and “graphic.”
Republican e******n attorney Ben Ginsberg testified that the 2020 e******n was “not close” and that Trump had his day in court. He reminded the committee that post-e******n audits found no credible evidence of fraud. Excerpts of opinions from one Trump-appointed judge after another confirmed the lack the evidence.
At the close of the Monday session, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) showed how Trump used f**e claims of fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars, encouraging supporters to donate to the “Official E******n Defense Fund,” which the committee said does not exist. If true, the Trump campaign — and Trump personally — could be liable for a s**m. Once more, Trump has been revealed to be a huckster. Financial fraud seems to be promising lead to follow. On the 50th anniversary of Watergate, once more we should remember: Follow the money.
In the end, no reasonable person could doubt the outcome of the 2020 e******n. Trump never had evidence of fraud. And he was willing to destroy the country to stay in power when he lost. That’s an indictment for the Republicans who continue to support him."
Jennifer Rubin
Jun 13, 2022 16:47:11 #
In the end, no reasonable person could doubt the outcome of the 2020 e******n. Trump never had evidence of fraud. And he was willing to destroy the country to stay in power when he lost. That’s an indictment for the Republicans who continue to support him."
Jun 13, 2022 16:59:05 #
Jun 13, 2022 17:28:47 #
tradio wrote:
Totally consumed....you need intervention.
I agree with you. It's amazing these people can't say one good thing about the president but sure can say a lot about a past president. TDS big time.
Jun 13, 2022 20:53:36 #
Slow down Grasshopper, you and Jennifer Rubin are taking things much too far. Trump may be hugely damaged but the GOP, not so much, Biden has given the GOP new life that the committee will not be able to extinguish.
Jun 13, 2022 23:06:12 #
In the end, no reasonable person could doubt the evidence from 2000 Mules.....the evidence of fraud .
T***p w*n the e******n.....He will win again in 2024.....and lefty heads will explode violently.....!!!
I can't wait for the massacre.....!!!
Biden never had a chance.....but he is willing to destroy the country to stay in power with his insane agenda.
That’s an indictment for the Demonrats who continue to support him.
T***p w*n the e******n.....He will win again in 2024.....and lefty heads will explode violently.....!!!
I can't wait for the massacre.....!!!
Biden never had a chance.....but he is willing to destroy the country to stay in power with his insane agenda.
That’s an indictment for the Demonrats who continue to support him.
Jun 14, 2022 02:09:12 #
Shutterbug1697
Loc: Northeast
slocumeddie wrote:
In the end, no reasonable person could doubt the evidence from 2000 Mules.....the evidence of fraud .
T***p w*n the e******n.....He will win again in 2024.....and lefty heads will explode violently.....!!!
I can't wait for the massacre.....!!!
Biden never had a chance.....but he is willing to destroy the country to stay in power with his insane agenda.
That’s an indictment for the Demonrats who continue to support him.
T***p w*n the e******n.....He will win again in 2024.....and lefty heads will explode violently.....!!!
I can't wait for the massacre.....!!!
Biden never had a chance.....but he is willing to destroy the country to stay in power with his insane agenda.
That’s an indictment for the Demonrats who continue to support him.
Another propagandist heard froom!
Jun 14, 2022 02:39:17 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Another propagandist heard froom!
The irony of a propagandist calling someone else a propagandist.
Jun 14, 2022 02:57:20 #
Shutterbug1697
Loc: Northeast
Kmgw9v wrote:
In the end, no reasonable person could doubt the outcome of the 2020 e******n. Trump never had evidence of fraud. And he was willing to destroy the country to stay in power when he lost. That’s an indictment for the Republicans who continue to support him."
The witnesses which the 1*6 C*******e have so far presented in the public hearings have all been Republicans!
Many of them were from the trump Administration.
The fact that the trump cult members refuse to listen to the facts of just how desperate trump was to remain in office shows just how brainwashed the trump cult has become.
In the coverage of the hearings on Monday, wire fraud was mentioned in connection with the Quarter of a Billion Dollars frump raised from his small dollar donors right up until 30 minutes before the US Capitol Building was breached!
The fundraisers were sending out up to 25 emails a day, trying to rake in the cash as fast as they could for a fund which never even existed.
How many right-wingers here on UHH are willing to admit that they donated even a single dollar to trump's legal defense / v***r f***d fund after trump LOST the 2020 e******n?
How many right-wingers would love to get their donations back?
I don't know about you, but I'd sure would love to earn 3/4 of my annual salary for a two and a half minute introduction.
Not that I would ever sopport trump, but the introduction which Kimberly Guilfoyle gave trump at the Ellipse on J****** 6, 2021 earned her that much from those small dollar donations to the f**e legal defense / votor fraud fund!
You wonder why Mark Meadows refuses to testify before the 1*6 C*******e, it could have something to do with the $1,000,000 Mark Meadows' Charitable Foundation received from the trump v***r f***d fund.
A _ _ _ _ and their money are soon parted!
Jun 14, 2022 03:02:55 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The witnesses which the 1*6 C*******e have so far ... (show quote)
Ya, like ALL of those Russia/Trump collusion "Facts" that you nutty conspiracy cultists claimed would take Trump down, only to fall flat. lol You will believe ANY BS that is negative about Trump whether it's true or not.
Russia/Trump all over again.
Jun 14, 2022 05:09:35 #
slocumeddie wrote:
In the end, no reasonable person could doubt the evidence from 2000 Mules.....the evidence of fraud .
T***p w*n the e******n.....He will win again in 2024.....and lefty heads will explode violently.....!!!
I can't wait for the massacre.....!!!
Biden never had a chance.....but he is willing to destroy the country to stay in power with his insane agenda.
That’s an indictment for the Demonrats who continue to support him.
T***p w*n the e******n.....He will win again in 2024.....and lefty heads will explode violently.....!!!
I can't wait for the massacre.....!!!
Biden never had a chance.....but he is willing to destroy the country to stay in power with his insane agenda.
That’s an indictment for the Demonrats who continue to support him.
William Barr, a reasonable man, former Attorney General under Trump, said that the 2000 Mules was completely unimpressive and showed no evidence of fraud. He said this under oath.
Jun 14, 2022 05:42:20 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
William Barr, a reasonable man, former Attorney General under Trump, said that the 2000 Mules was completely unimpressive and showed no evidence of fraud. He said this under oath.
William Barr also said.......Trump is full of bull – but I’ll v**e for him.....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/barr-trump-exchange-blows-book-e*******l-lie
William Barr also said he believes former President Donald Trump is morally responsible for the J*** 6, 2021, r**t at the U.S. Capitol but isn't legally culpable.....
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/former-ag-barr-says-wouldnt-prosecuted-trump-j***6-taking-classified-d-rcna18330
Jun 14, 2022 05:44:36 #
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The witnesses which the 1*6 C*******e have so far ... (show quote)
Criminal charges.....???
Indictments.....???
Jun 14, 2022 06:44:10 #
slocumeddie wrote:
Criminal charges.....???
Indictments.....???
Indictments.....???
You have to see criminal charges and indictments before you open your eyes, and see wrongdoing? The man stole 250 million from his supporters under the con that the money would be used to investigate a s****n e******n, when he knew there was no evidence of such a steal.
How does that sit with you?
Jun 14, 2022 07:01:14 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
You have to see criminal charges and indictments before you open your eyes, and see wrongdoing? The man stole 250 million from his supporters under the con that the money would be used to investigate a s****n e******n, when he knew there was no evidence of such a steal.
How does that sit with you?
How does that sit with you?
You can't support anything you vomited above.............further, I see evidence of a s****n e******n.....
If you can't, your blind, irrational, relentless hatred of Trump has put reality beyond your reach.....
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