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Jun 9, 2022 10:28:10   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
"Republicans have played this game before. They insist that exposing an indefensible deed committed by one of their own “won’t matter” because those who have made up their mind (i.e., themselves) won’t be swayed. (Tautology alert!) The media repeats this talking report to sound “balanced” or sophisticated. Polls after the proceedings show that opinion has not shifted much. Republicans then exult: See, we were right! (Funny how they never voiced this argument regarding the B******i hearings.)

Such inane and irrelevant commentary is now coursing through mainstream media today regarding the House select committee’s hearings on the J*** 6 i**********n, even though the hearings involve the fate of our democracy and the worst betrayal by an American president in history. Giving the party responsible for the attack on the Capitol veto power over whether the investigation “matters” is, sadly, what much of the news coverage has come to. The only thing worse is pronouncing investigations into hugely important topics “boring.” Ignore it.

How is it that so many in the media don’t recognize that serious public investigations do not set moving poll numbers as their primary purpose? Congress conducted its 9/11

investigation not to change how the public felt about President George W. Bush or national security, but because it was lawmakers’ solemn obligation to construct a definitive account of the first attack on the homeland since Pearl Harbor, apportion responsibility and make recommendations to protect the country.

Republicans and many in the mainstream media apparently cannot conceive that the substance of governing is important. Have they entirely forgotten that investigations are undertaken to inform, educate, set the historic record and avoid repetition of the disaster?

How should we evaluate the hearings? Maybe — just spitballing here — on the merits? In this case, the “thesis” is that former president Donald Trump orchestrated a scheme — even before v****g commenced — to retain power by wh**ever means necessary, including illegal machinations and eventually violence.

If the committee demonstrates that and fits the facts into the criminal code, it will “matter” for those who want to know what happened on J*** 6. It will matter in that it will assign responsibility to Trump officials and any other Republicans involved (whether their conduct was illegal or “just” a violation of their oaths). And it will matter for v**ers making choices in November, lawmakers trying to prevent this from happening again, civil litigants, victims of the violence, bar associations and prosecutors considering how to construct a compelling case for a judge or jury.

Aside from all that, it will matter because the operation of the committee — with Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) — will prove that it is possible for lawmakers to do their jobs and put country over party.

Just as Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) provided a modicum of faith in the system by v****g to convict Trump in his first impeachment trial, the committee’s Republican members have displayed honor and conscience. That should provide some hope for the viability of self-government. It is good to be reminded now and then that everyone has a choice — to defend the country honorably, or not."

Jennifer Rubin

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Jun 9, 2022 10:37:35   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Republicans have played this game before. They insist that exposing an indefensible deed committed by one of their own “won’t matter” because those who have made up their mind (i.e., themselves) won’t be swayed. (Tautology alert!) The media repeats this talking report to sound “balanced” or sophisticated. Polls after the proceedings show that opinion has not shifted much. Republicans then exult: See, we were right! (Funny how they never voiced this argument regarding the B******i hearings.)

Such inane and irrelevant commentary is now coursing through mainstream media today regarding the House select committee’s hearings on the J*** 6 i**********n, even though the hearings involve the fate of our democracy and the worst betrayal by an American president in history. Giving the party responsible for the attack on the Capitol veto power over whether the investigation “matters” is, sadly, what much of the news coverage has come to. The only thing worse is pronouncing investigations into hugely important topics “boring.” Ignore it.

How is it that so many in the media don’t recognize that serious public investigations do not set moving poll numbers as their primary purpose? Congress conducted its 9/11

investigation not to change how the public felt about President George W. Bush or national security, but because it was lawmakers’ solemn obligation to construct a definitive account of the first attack on the homeland since Pearl Harbor, apportion responsibility and make recommendations to protect the country.

Republicans and many in the mainstream media apparently cannot conceive that the substance of governing is important. Have they entirely forgotten that investigations are undertaken to inform, educate, set the historic record and avoid repetition of the disaster?

How should we evaluate the hearings? Maybe — just spitballing here — on the merits? In this case, the “thesis” is that former president Donald Trump orchestrated a scheme — even before v****g commenced — to retain power by wh**ever means necessary, including illegal machinations and eventually violence.

If the committee demonstrates that and fits the facts into the criminal code, it will “matter” for those who want to know what happened on J*** 6. It will matter in that it will assign responsibility to Trump officials and any other Republicans involved (whether their conduct was illegal or “just” a violation of their oaths). And it will matter for v**ers making choices in November, lawmakers trying to prevent this from happening again, civil litigants, victims of the violence, bar associations and prosecutors considering how to construct a compelling case for a judge or jury.

Aside from all that, it will matter because the operation of the committee — with Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) — will prove that it is possible for lawmakers to do their jobs and put country over party.

Just as Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) provided a modicum of faith in the system by v****g to convict Trump in his first impeachment trial, the committee’s Republican members have displayed honor and conscience. That should provide some hope for the viability of self-government. It is good to be reminded now and then that everyone has a choice — to defend the country honorably, or not."

Jennifer Rubin
"Republicans have played this game before. Th... (show quote)


Yeah, and Adam Schiff is still holding that solid evidence proving Russia! Russia! Russia!

When Pelosi stopped McCarthy from appointing members to the commission it lost any and all credibility.

Now the democrats are recruiting Hollywood producers to present a very selective and one sided view of the events of the day without allowing for rebuttal and contrary presentation of evidence...

It is a sham and you and Rubin are stupid enough to go along.

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Jun 9, 2022 10:49:41   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yeah, and Adam Schiff is still holding that solid evidence proving Russia! Russia! Russia!

When Pelosi stopped McCarthy from appointing members to the commission it lost any and all credibility.

Now the democrats are recruiting Hollywood producers to present a very selective and one sided view of the events of the day without allowing for rebuttal and contrary presentation of evidence...

It is a sham and you and Rubin are stupid enough to go along.


It is a shame that men like MCarthy and Mitch have changed their story completely from their first statements about what happened on J****** 6th. That’s integrity for ya’. Why are the Republicans so afraid to investigate J****** 6th, as all the other appropriate investigations like Rubin cites—-B******i, 9/11, etc? After all, Americans deserve to know the t***h about all these disruptions—so they won’t reoccur.

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Jun 9, 2022 10:50:28   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yeah, and Adam Schiff is still holding that solid evidence proving Russia! Russia! Russia!

When Pelosi stopped McCarthy from appointing members to the commission it lost any and all credibility.

Now the democrats are recruiting Hollywood producers to present a very selective and one sided view of the events of the day without allowing for rebuttal and contrary presentation of evidence...

It is a sham and you and Rubin are stupid enough to go along.


It should be watched before a decision on its t***hfulness and credibility.

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Jun 9, 2022 11:15:53   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
It should be watched before a decision on its t***hfulness and credibility.

It’s kind of sad watching your increasing desperation trying to defend the indefensible.

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Jun 9, 2022 12:06:11   #
btbg
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
It is a shame that men like MCarthy and Mitch have changed their story completely from their first statements about what happened on J****** 6th. That’s integrity for ya’. Why are the Republicans so afraid to investigate J****** 6th, as all the other appropriate investigations like Rubin cites—-B******i, 9/11, etc? After all, Americans deserve to know the t***h about all these disruptions—so they won’t reoccur.


You have got to be kidding. Know the t***h! Clinton lied under oath about B******i and stated that it was caused by a little known, irrelevant film that was anti-muslim which was filmed in the U.S. They even arrested the poor sap with no basis. And, Holder refused a subpoena of documents related to the events. So, no we still do not know what happened in B******i. The evidence seems to show that Holder and his staff were running guns from Lybia through Turkey to Syria and that is both what led to the violence and why we did not act to defend the consulate. But, we may never know if that is true or not, and if we do find out it will be 50 years down the road when the government is no longer able to claim "National Security" while denying the documents that show what actually happened.

As to 1*6, anyone who even tries to claim that this committee is trying to find the t***h is either blind or a liar. The fact that they removed Republicans from the committee is a good start at proving they are not after the t***h. However, even if you accept their excuse for that, hiring a Television producer for their live public hearings tells you all you need to know. Facts don't need a producer. But, then they aren't after the facts. They are attempting to make sure that Trump can never run for office again. That is their entire goal.

However, the bigger outrage should be the difference in how participants in the r**ts on 1*6 are being treated compared to how the participants in the r**ts all summer after G****e F***d's death have been treated. 1*6 participants have been held in jail without proper access to attorneys and without full due process, while participants in the other r**ts, including those who attacked the federal building in Portland, so exactly the same laws broken as at the Capitol, have not only largely not been prosecuted, they have not even been charged.

What the 1*6 investigation actually proves is that instead of justice being blind and equal for all in the U.S. justice is selective and not even based on the facts.

Example, the i***t c*****l p****eman who shot Babbitt did not issue a warning prior to shooting, but he had already been proven to be incompetent as he had previously lost his side arm in a public restroom. Yet, without a legitimate investigation he was exonerated. Further proof that they are not sincere in their investigation includes the fact that they have not questioned anyone about why Pelosi turned down the National Guard Troops that Trump asked for, why they have not released the more than 1400 hours of video of the event, instead choosing only to show select portions that might support their narrative.

And, then of course you have that pesky timeline that shows that the r**ts started while Trump was still speaking. So, his closing remarks in the speech had nothing to do with the r**t at all. And you have the pesky fact that what he said was far less heated rhetoric than what Schumer has said about Gorsich and Kavanaugh since the illegal leak of court documents. Shoot, what Schumer said has now been acted on. Someone tried to take Kavanaugh's life in part because of rhetoric like Schumer's statement. Yet, no investigation. No outrage. No anything. Proof that it is all selective and all part of a democrat narrative with little or nothing to do with what actually happened.

What really blows my mind is that those of you who h**e Trump on the one hand seem to believe that he is evil incarnate and plotted to o*******w the government. Yet, on the other hand you have claimed for years that he is an i***t incapable of rational thought. The republicans like Meadows and Jordan that you seem to believe were part of a plot are hardly stupid. Do you really think that they would participate in a plot that was so incompetent that no one even had a gun? Yes sir, they plotted to o*******w the government. Yet, they tried to do it with a bunch of i***ts who didn't have a clue what was going on, but went to the party unarmed. Yeah, that's a truly believable story isn't it?

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Jun 9, 2022 13:56:50   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
LOL! Defending a subversive can be hard work!

But not for the politically motivated.

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Jun 9, 2022 15:11:48   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
DaveO wrote:
LOL! Defending a subversive can be hard work!

But not for the politically motivated.


Yeah well, what will air tonight is a piece of propaganda that the CCP would be proud of.... Certainly it is unAmerican to not allow a defense, Pelosi broke her own rules to come up with this steamer.

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Jun 9, 2022 15:34:56   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yeah well, what will air tonight is a piece of propaganda that the CCP would be proud of.... Certainly it is unAmerican to not allow a defense, Pelosi broke her own rules to come up with this steamer.


We all know from experience that this would never be accepted no matter what. Period. Facts mean nothing in our political arena, even if proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so let the pissing and moaning continue in perpetuity.

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Jun 9, 2022 15:46:31   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
DaveO wrote:
We all know from experience that this would never be accepted no matter what. Period. Facts mean nothing in our political arena, even if proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so let the pissing and moaning continue in perpetuity.


Well, I would complain about the media's complicit involvement.... But then the right has Fox and it probably has as much influence as the rest combined.

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Jun 9, 2022 15:51:41   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
It is a shame that men like MCarthy and Mitch have changed their story completely from their first statements about what happened on J****** 6th. That’s integrity for ya’. Why are the Republicans so afraid to investigate J****** 6th, as all the other appropriate investigations like Rubin cites—-B******i, 9/11, etc? After all, Americans deserve to know the t***h about all these disruptions—so they won’t reoccur.


They afraid will away midterms and it should

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Jun 9, 2022 15:54:54   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Well, I would complain about the media's complicit involvement.... But then the right has Fox and it probably has as much influence as the rest combined.


True, but that does not completely prevent some sort of “preponderance of the evidence” on the part of a reasonable person.

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Jun 9, 2022 15:58:36   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
DaveO wrote:
True, but that does not completely prevent some sort of “preponderance of the evidence” on the part of a reasonable person.


I would be interested if the democrats allowed a full hearing which they are not about to... like I said earlier they are not allowing a defense, what do you think that conviction rates in this country would be if the courts excluded a defense?

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Jun 9, 2022 16:08:06   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I would be interested if the democrats allowed a full hearing which they are not about to... like I said earlier they are not allowing a defense, what do you think that conviction rates in this country would be if the courts excluded a defense?


Are you of the opinion that all facts can not stand on their own merit as presented and are so questionable that they need to be defended or arguably interpreted?

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Jun 9, 2022 16:09:23   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I would be interested if the democrats allowed a full hearing which they are not about to... like I said earlier they are not allowing a defense, what do you think that conviction rates in this country would be if the courts excluded a defense?


You know repukes will do any n every way to distract distort

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