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May 13, 2022 17:43:33   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
Nice captures.

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May 13, 2022 18:56:11   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
SteveInConverse wrote:
Kill it with fire!


Hahaha! That is exactly what my son said.

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May 13, 2022 18:58:13   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
dpullum wrote:
Yes, the title "Lots of Eggs" is appropriate ... but I miss read it as "Lots of Legs" because my Mind/Eye saw that. Big mama and her little boyfriend who eventually will be eaten.

The article discusses how the male avoids being cannibalized after mating... we humans males can take lessons from nature.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/animals-spiders-black-widows-cannibals

Interesting find, and interesting shot dnote627
Yes, the title "Lots of Eggs" is appropr... (show quote)


Thank you. Yes, he was safely behind her for most of my observing. It looked like there was another male in there as well, but was not moving.

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May 13, 2022 18:58:46   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
JeffDavidson wrote:
Nice captures.


Thank you. I enjoy getting nature shots of all types, including snakes.

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May 19, 2022 21:14:11   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
relbugman wrote:
Thanks to dnote627 for the fine shots [are there babies below?], and Donald dpullum for the link on Widow mating – very interesting to me! Just a small problem – it reverses the captions: photo #3 (“The male brown widow (pictured)”) is actually an immature female, and photo # 4 (“A female brown widow tends to her web.”) is the male, note the enlarged pedipalps. (It happens!)
Would that nature be so easily explained. Other factors are also in play: a hungry female may lay less eggs and experience more egg mortality, so the meal may be important to BOTH partners’ contribution to posterity; as females may lay 10+ egg sacs from only one mating, she may weather a paucity of males, but evenso, added matings may strengthen the contribution of the last sacrificial male, especially if she is biased by a tasty dessert; it does mention that a male has a very slight chance of encountering a second female (exception possible for Browns), so best to keep the pregnant female healthy rather than die without further issue anyway; where food is abundant, males often take up residence in a far corner of a female’s web – in 13 webs along a sidewalk on one block in CA, 7 had resident males, one even had two! And more, I’m sure.
Thanks to dnote627 for the fine shots are there b... (show quote)


I really don't know much about the black widows. I googled pictures of the smaller brown one with the pattern on its back and came up with a match of the western male. I didn't see the typical red hourglass on the large black one. Lots of egg sacs though. I did not get close enough to see if there were babies. Thanks for the info about them. I do appreciate it. :) Donna

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May 19, 2022 21:14:37   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Beautiful shots. Personally I have never met an aggressive Black Widow but I have never stuck my finger in the web either


Me either!

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May 19, 2022 21:15:58   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
dpullum wrote:
Yes, the title "Lots of Eggs" is appropriate ... but I miss read it as "Lots of Legs" because my Mind/Eye saw that. Big mama and her little boyfriend who eventually will be eaten.

The article discusses how the male avoids being cannibalized after mating... we humans males can take lessons from nature.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/animals-spiders-black-widows-cannibals

Interesting find, and interesting shot dnote627
Yes, the title "Lots of Eggs" is appropr... (show quote)


Thank you! I'll look up the natgeo article. Donna

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May 19, 2022 21:16:51   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
JoAnneK01 wrote:
Excellent shots. Glad you were a distance away from them. Had never seen them at this stage before. Mahalo for sharing.


You're welcome and thanks!
Donna

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May 19, 2022 21:18:26   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
jonsommer wrote:
You are brave and wise indeed as black widows in this area are known to pole vault!


Better not! I'd jump outta my skin if that big one did that.

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May 19, 2022 21:18:49   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Nice find..!


Thank you!

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May 19, 2022 21:19:28   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
Moondoggie wrote:
Very cool images. Thanks for sharing.


Thank you!

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May 19, 2022 21:22:25   #
dnote627 Loc: I live in Western CO but from Western NC
 
RoswellAlien wrote:
Great! Thank you. (Hope you left them alone.)


I find it is best to leave mother nature alone. Remember the Mother Nature Chiffon commercials from the 70s. She'd strike me down if I had messed with it.

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Jan 1, 2023 10:37:39   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
SteveInConverse wrote:
Kill it with fire!


I hear you. I hate Black Widows more than Arizona scorpions.

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