Oil Heat
May 11, 2022 12:25:36 #
therwol
Loc: USA
jerryc41 wrote:
They're not burying tanks in NY anymore - fear of leakage. When our started leaking after thirty years, they pumped it out and filled it with sand. The new one is in the garage.
So when your propane tank in the garage leaks and fills the area with gas and your water heater pilot light sets it off? Kaboom. House gone. Maybe you wake up in Pennsylvania.
May 11, 2022 13:25:15 #
Don W-37
Loc: Bangkok, Thailand
Hey guys,
Do what I did when I got tired of heating bills tire chains and shoveling snow:
Move to Bangkok! 🤣🤣🤣 No worries!
Cheers,
Don
Do what I did when I got tired of heating bills tire chains and shoveling snow:
Move to Bangkok! 🤣🤣🤣 No worries!
Cheers,
Don
May 11, 2022 13:37:33 #
Don W-37 wrote:
Hey guys,
Do what I did when I got tired of heating bills tire chains and shoveling snow:
Move to Bangkok! 🤣🤣🤣 No worries!
Cheers,
Don
Do what I did when I got tired of heating bills tire chains and shoveling snow:
Move to Bangkok! 🤣🤣🤣 No worries!
Cheers,
Don
Last night I watched a YouTube video about people who died while exploring a cave in Thailand. They were totally inexperienced, no guide, no gear, and it was the monsoon season. Everyone told them not to go. They went. Only one out the four survived. People do stupid things, and then they complain that they died.
I still have a fancy knife and fork set I bought at the Thailand pavilion at the Worl'd Fair in 1964.
May 11, 2022 15:19:58 #
paulrph1
Loc: Washington, Utah
jerryc41 wrote:
They're not burying tanks in NY anymore - fear of leakage. When our started leaking after thirty years, they pumped it out and filled it with sand. The new one is in the garage.
In my area what he describes we call a ground source heat pump (?). I have one and it contains five wells 180 deep, is a CLOSED SYSTEM with only water in the pipes, runs only water so if there is a leakage it would only be water. I see no way it could contaminate anything. Cost more to install but recovered the cost after seven years and we have lived here for 30. Tanks may be different from my pipes. I was supposed to have 3 wells 220 feet deep but the well collapsed around the pipes so we could go not deeper. Supposedly we have an Aquaphor down there, somewhere.
May 11, 2022 15:22:20 #
paulrph1
Loc: Washington, Utah
therwol wrote:
So when your propane tank in the garage leaks and fills the area with gas and your water heater pilot light sets it off? Kaboom. House gone. Maybe you wake up in Pennsylvania.
had that happen to an acquaintance in Vegas. He was draining his tank and forgot about the pilot light.
May 11, 2022 17:01:22 #
[quote=Bmarsh]
If you get it set up to turn off the heat pump when the electric auxiliary heat comes on you will save more. It's a simple dual fuel module installed in your heat pump that shuts it completely down when it becomes inefficient. That's how we have ours set up and our year around bill for A/C and heat is 225.00 electric. And this year an additional 780.00 for propane as our secondary heat source. So total it's right at 300.00 a Month for everything.
fetzler wrote:
Because you live in a cold location heat pumps are... (show quote)
If you get it set up to turn off the heat pump when the electric auxiliary heat comes on you will save more. It's a simple dual fuel module installed in your heat pump that shuts it completely down when it becomes inefficient. That's how we have ours set up and our year around bill for A/C and heat is 225.00 electric. And this year an additional 780.00 for propane as our secondary heat source. So total it's right at 300.00 a Month for everything.
May 11, 2022 17:48:42 #
therwol
Loc: USA
paulrph1 wrote:
had that happen to an acquaintance in Vegas. He was draining his tank and forgot about the pilot light.
Still alive? I can't fathom storing a propane tank indoors, especially near a water heater that uses a pilot light. I've never seen that before. I have 2x250 gallon propane tanks that are about 30 feet from my home. That's close enough. My central propane heater is on the roof. The only possible leak of propane into my house would be at the fitting for the stove.
May 11, 2022 21:01:12 #
paulrph1 wrote:
In my area what he describes we call a ground source heat pump (?). I have one and it contains five wells 180 deep, is a CLOSED SYSTEM with only water in the pipes, runs only water so if there is a leakage it would only be water. I see no way it could contaminate anything.
I'm sure there is some type of antifreeze in your water. Mine does. But no biggie if there is a leak.
May 11, 2022 21:03:16 #
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
So total it's right at 300.00 a Month for everything.
$300/month? My figures are for a whole year. Less than $600 for heat/AC
May 11, 2022 21:55:27 #
Bmarsh wrote:
$300/month? My figures are for a whole year. Less than $600 for heat/AC
$50/month? So what was the cost of the system, how large was the heated/cooled space, and what temps did you maintain in the summer and winter if I may ask?
May 12, 2022 01:17:33 #
paulrph1
Loc: Washington, Utah
Bmarsh wrote:
I'm sure there is some type of antifreeze in your water. Mine does. But no biggie if there is a leak.
Nor sure but thanks I will have to check it out. Our ground never freezes, except in 2013 it froze down three inches and the pipes are 3 to 4 feet under.
May 12, 2022 08:03:41 #
therwol wrote:
I can't fathom storing a propane tank indoors...
That shouldn't be legal.
Apparently, it can vary by state.
https://www.ncagr.gov/standard/lp/LPgasConcerns/storage.htm
May 12, 2022 11:42:08 #
TriX wrote:
$50/month? So what was the cost of the system, how large was the heated/cooled space, and what temps did you maintain in the summer and winter if I may ask?
Cost originally was about $12,000 but that included the two wells, and ductwork for forced air. At a 20 year life, that's $600/yr for the furnace. (No maintenance was needed). Installed in 1992. House is about 2,300 sq ft.
Temp is 72 in winter, 74 in summer. Turned down 4 deg at night. Furnace also pre-heats our hot water but I'm not sure how much. Never considered it good enough to to be a bonus.
How-some-ever, in 2013, when I replaced the furnace (a control board went out I think and replacement was recommended) with discounts and government tax breaks, it only cost about $4,000 to replace. I keep monthly records of the bills. NOTE: in this area they give a 30% break on electric cost for a geothermal furnace and the furnace is on a separate meter. Current electric rate is $.108/kWh with $.03/kWh off for the furnace.
BTW, whereas a normal oil or gas furnace can do 85-95% efficiency at best, I have read that a geothermal furnace can do 400% since it is transferring heat from the ground.
May 12, 2022 12:08:34 #
Bmarsh wrote:
Cost originally was about $12,000 but that include... (show quote)
Wow. Seems extremely cost effective. I’m going to have to look into this, but not sure if I have enough land (2-1/2 acres) and we’re on top of a granite prong, but we do have neighbors with wells. Thanks for the information!
May 13, 2022 08:52:41 #
Bmarsh wrote:
Cost originally was about $12,000 but that include... (show quote)
Several people I know have that system, and they love it. Like solar, I doubt I'd live long enough to see any savings.
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