Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Ansel's Moonrise,_Hernandez,_New_Mexico
Page <<first <prev 14 of 14
May 11, 2022 13:00:08   #
srt101fan
 
larryepage wrote:
Is it possible that with abstract works, the focus may be more on the craft...the brain and eye elements, leaving the heart to be imagined and developed by the viewer?


Interesting observation; very possible. Still, works like Mondrian's are a challenge to me. I respect those works and their role in art history. I will make no disparaging remarks or host no deragotary thoughts toward the artist or his paintings. And yet there is that ambivalence....

From Wikipedia, a Mondrian quote I don't quite know how to process: "Mondrian's art was highly utopian and was concerned with a search for universal values and aesthetics. He proclaimed in 1914: 'Art is higher than reality and has no direct relation to reality. To approach the spiritual in art, one will make as little use as possible of reality, because reality is opposed to the spiritual. We find ourselves in the presence of an abstract art. Art should be above reality, otherwise it would have no value for man'."

I mention Mondrian, but I could have chosen many others (Mark Rothko is one). But it's all fun. As has been said before, you don't have to "understand" art. Just open your mind and heart and see if it speaks to you....

[By the way, Larry, I think your construction photo is pretty cool! Reminds me of my younger days when I found erector sets fascinating.]

Reply
May 11, 2022 13:18:51   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
srt101fan wrote:
Interesting observation; very possible. Still, works like Mondrian's are a challenge to me. I respect those works and their role in art history. I will make no disparaging remarks or host no deragotary thoughts toward the artist or his paintings. And yet there is that ambivalence....

From Wikipedia, a Mondrian quote I don't quite know how to process: "Mondrian's art was highly utopian and was concerned with a search for universal values and aesthetics. He proclaimed in 1914: 'Art is higher than reality and has no direct relation to reality. To approach the spiritual in art, one will make as little use as possible of reality, because reality is opposed to the spiritual. We find ourselves in the presence of an abstract art. Art should be above reality, otherwise it would have no value for man'."

I mention Mondrian, but I could have chosen many others (Mark Rothko is one). But it's all fun. As has been said before, you don't have to "understand" art. Just open your mind and heart and see if it speaks to you....

[By the way, Larry, I think your construction photo is pretty cool! Reminds me of my younger days when I found erector sets fascinating.]
Interesting observation; very possible. Still, wo... (show quote)


Thanks for the kind comment. Interestingly to this discussion, I'd self-rate the "craft" of that photograph as at least pretty good. But I have no notions of it being something that I'd ever enter in a contest. It perhaps has some abstract elements, but definitely depended on you to find the interest in it.

Reply
May 12, 2022 00:26:07   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
srt101fan wrote:
I like your thoughts on "content" and I like User ID's succinct appraisal of your comments ("Inneressing observation and analysis.
Very chewy.
") I find good discussions of content/composition very stimulating and mentally rewarding. I like your "content for the heart" - sorta goes along with what some folks refer to as the "soul" of a photograph.

Looking at content in that context, how should we view the work of, say, Mondrian?....


Any work can be viewed in many ways. The point would be is "what matters?". What's out angle? Are we looking at it purely for the aesthetics? Are we appreciating it for its monetary value? Are we dissecting it for education? Are we aligning our emotion into it? ...And so on.

On Mondrian, he started with traditional representations but slowly focused on abstraction.
To be clear, Abstract does not mean simple shapes, distorted or unnatural or devoid of reality. Abstract means the simplest part. The core, the simplification of elements, shape, story, action, etc.

A sample of abstract can be a messy spiral. It might look devoid of artistic value and just plain chaos, but if i say "that is the path a moth flew over a lamp", then suddenly it have a real meaning and story to convey.

If I knew nothing of his work, I would probably be looking at it purely for the aesthetics and look at it as a modern graphics design. On the other hand, I knew he created it with abstract intent, so I may try to figure out what he was representing, aside from the visual pleasure of the work.

Reply
 
 
May 12, 2022 07:37:37   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Wallen wrote:
Any work can be viewed in many ways. The point would be is "what matters?". What's out angle? Are we looking at it purely for the aesthetics? Are we appreciating it for its monetary value? Are we dissecting it for education? Are we aligning our emotion into it? ...And so on.

On Mondrian, he started with traditional representations but slowly focused on abstraction.
To be clear, Abstract does not mean simple shapes, distorted or unnatural or devoid of reality. Abstract means the simplest part. The core, the simplification of elements, shape, story, action, etc.

A sample of abstract can be a messy spiral. It might look devoid of artistic value and just plain chaos, but if i say "that is the path a moth flew over a lamp", then suddenly it have a real meaning and story to convey.

If I knew nothing of his work, I would probably be looking at it purely for the aesthetics and look at it as a modern graphics design. On the other hand, I knew he created it with abstract intent, so I may try to figure out what he was representing, aside from the visual pleasure of the work.
Any work can be viewed in many ways. The point wou... (show quote)


Interesting insights. I'm not knowledgeable about abstraction, so my appreciation of it has been pretty limited. I have a friend with a much deeper knowledge base and understanding of the subject. We are planning to have lunch later this month. Maybe that will be an opportunity to gain some increased familiarity, at least.

Reply
May 12, 2022 14:44:32   #
User ID
 
larryepage wrote:
Is it possible that with abstract works, the focus may be more on the craft...the brain and eye elements, leaving the heart to be imagined and developed by the viewer?

Very possible.

One should keep in mind the meaning of abstraction. Anything abstract is not born from the ether. On the contrary it is excised from a more complete and more concrete reality.

The example everyone experiences is the google search results page. The brief text accompanying each result is called an abstract (of the page or site that it represents).

An abstract artist experiences the larger reality but focuses on a narrower aspect. Abstract works do not spring from the mind. The mind distills them out of a larger lived reality.

Reply
May 12, 2022 14:55:43   #
User ID
 
larryepage wrote:
Interesting insights. I'm not knowledgeable about abstraction, so my appreciation of it has been pretty limited. I have a friend with a much deeper knowledge base and understanding of the subject. We are planning to have lunch later this month. Maybe that will be an opportunity to gain some increased familiarity, at least.

Maybe ask about "abstraction" as a verb, an action or process ... what it means "to abstract" something from out of its larger environment, or to abstract an idea from out of its broader context.

Reply
May 17, 2022 05:56:48   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
larryepage wrote:
Interesting insights. I'm not knowledgeable about abstraction, so my appreciation of it has been pretty limited. I have a friend with a much deeper knowledge base and understanding of the subject. We are planning to have lunch later this month. Maybe that will be an opportunity to gain some increased familiarity, at least.


Have fun! I myself is very picky when it comes to abstracts. Many of them makes my eye burn and my head ache
Specially when an artist makes abstraction a license for over-expressive impressionism.

Reply
 
 
May 17, 2022 05:59:29   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
User ID wrote:
An abstract artist experiences the larger reality but focuses on a narrower aspect. Abstract works do not spring from the mind. The mind distills them out of a larger lived reality.


Yep, a clear & concise definition of what an abstract work is.

Reply
Jun 6, 2022 11:29:06   #
MDI Mainer
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zxancgfDVg

Features several of Adam's images.

Reply
Jun 6, 2022 11:38:27   #
User ID
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zxancgfDVg

Features several of Adam's images.


Wellsure Ok ... but thIs is page 14. We been waaaaay done with him looooong ago. Just get over it ;-)

Reply
Jun 6, 2022 11:56:23   #
MDI Mainer
 
User ID wrote:
Wellsure Ok ... but thIs is page 14. We been waaaaay done with him looooong ago. Just get over it ;-)


I know, and I would have started a new thread, but it would have been consigned to the dead zone known as "Links and Resources," so I chose this well-populated thread for maximum exposure to a targeted market.

Reply
 
 
Jun 10, 2023 05:53:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Wallen wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonrise,_Hernandez,_New_Mexico
https://www.anseladams.com/a-halloween-story-moonrise-hernandez/
https://fineart.ha.com/itm/photographs/ansel-adams-american-1902-1984-moonrise-hernandez-new-mexico-1941gelatin-silver-late-1970s15-1-4-x/a/5272-73071.s

This is a question with no right or wrong answer. Just a personal reflection of a famous frame.
For the moment, set aside the photographer. Pretend he is nobody and the photo not famous.
Just focus on the photo and its visible qualities;

What is your own personal view and judgement?

Hopefully we hear from your heart and not just echo the bandwagon.
Points you may want to ponder on are:
1. Would you consider it a good photo? Why?
2. If otherwise, why not?
3. Any room for improvement? or
4. If it was your photo, how would you take it?

Again, there is no right or wrong answer, just a personal reflection on what you actually see or feel, and hopefully we hear from your heart and not echoing whatever you have read or heard about the photo.
img https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5... (show quote)


Not being the type to BS and try to sound esoteric I find this interesting but nothing to gush about.
There are several posters here on UHH that to me do superior work.
Same in my profession, I think most Architects that are gushed over just have huge unlimited budgets to make crap.
I do like FLW though for many reasons and nuances.
Same with Ansel, good shots but nothing to spend big bucks on.

Reply
Jun 10, 2023 07:32:32   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Not being the type to BS and try to sound esoteric I find this interesting but nothing to gush about.
There are several posters here on UHH that to me do superior work.
Same in my profession, I think most Architects that are gushed over just have huge unlimited budgets to make crap.
I do like FLW though for many reasons and nuances.
Same with Ansel, good shots but nothing to spend big bucks on.


Why did you bother reviving a year old 14 page thread?
At this point it is unlikely there will be anything new.




--

Reply
Jun 10, 2023 16:18:44   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
Wallen wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonrise,_Hernandez,_New_Mexico
https://www.anseladams.com/a-halloween-story-moonrise-hernandez/
https://fineart.ha.com/itm/photographs/ansel-adams-american-1902-1984-moonrise-hernandez-new-mexico-1941gelatin-silver-late-1970s15-1-4-x/a/5272-73071.s

This is a question with no right or wrong answer. Just a personal reflection of a famous frame.
For the moment, set aside the photographer. Pretend he is nobody and the photo not famous.
Just focus on the photo and its visible qualities;

What is your own personal view and judgement?

Hopefully we hear from your heart and not just echo the bandwagon.
Points you may want to ponder on are:
1. Would you consider it a good photo? Why?
2. If otherwise, why not?
3. Any room for improvement? or
4. If it was your photo, how would you take it?

Again, there is no right or wrong answer, just a personal reflection on what you actually see or feel, and hopefully we hear from your heart and not echoing whatever you have read or heard about the photo.
img https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5... (show quote)


My reaction now is the same as when I first saw it years ago: WOW! How'd he DO that? Superb photo and a real compliment to Ansel's photographic AND Darkroom skills! I doubt the same could be achieved nowadays, no matter the advanced wizardry of photo editors. IMNHO, it could do with a bit less sky.

Reply
Jun 11, 2023 05:05:38   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Not being the type to BS and try to sound esoteric I find this interesting but nothing to gush about.
There are several posters here on UHH that to me do superior work.
Same in my profession, I think most Architects that are gushed over just have huge unlimited budgets to make crap.
I do like FLW though for many reasons and nuances.
Same with Ansel, good shots but nothing to spend big bucks on.


For me the Brutalist style of architecture is an example of something some folks gush over but leaves me cold.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 14 of 14
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.