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Mar 1, 2022 16:32:49   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
larryepage wrote:
The din of noise here is deafening but meaningless, especially if you are concerned about ethics. The bottom line is that there are three options that meet legal and ethical requirements:

1. If you are salaried, you will do the work either inside or outside your scheduled work hours and be reimbursed for your actual expenses. If your salary includes provision for working extra hours, you should receive that compensation.

2. If you are paid hourly, you will receive your normal hourly rate, including overtime, plus be reimbursed for your actual expenses for work done in addition to your regular responsibilities.

3. You may temporarily be "reassigned" to a new position with responsibility for creating and installing the prints. Your rate of pay may be altered for this temporary assignment.

The hospital may certainly choose to source materials themselves rather than have you do it.

Because you are an employee, this is much less likely to be a negotiation and much more likely to be a direction. And be really careful when talking about ownership. Be prepared for the hospital to take the position that the images are theirs in the end. If I were in your position and could afford to do so, I would do the whole project on my time and dime and loan the framed images to the hospital inder provisions of a contract.
The din of noise here is deafening but meaningless... (show quote)


Larry, you are assuming he took these landscape photos while working as a nurse in the hospital. In that case, yes. But since these are landscapes, I doubt they were taken while working on hospital time.

Maybe the op can clarify.

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Mar 1, 2022 16:39:47   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
frankraney wrote:
Larry, you are assuming he took these landscape photos while working as a nurse in the hospital. In that case, yes. But since these are landscapes, I doubt they were taken while working on hospital time.

Maybe the op can clarify.


No. I am saying they could claim he was trying to sell them at work. Not saying he was, just that they could claim it.

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Mar 1, 2022 16:45:33   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
larryepage wrote:
No. I am saying they could claim he was trying to sell them at work. Not saying he was, just that they could claim it.


Oh, ok.

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Mar 1, 2022 19:41:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
How did the meeting go?

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Mar 1, 2022 19:53:29   #
TRSquared Loc: South Carolina
 
Burkley wrote:
I would price the prints for tax purposes similar to what an unknown is selling them for at a local small gallery. Hand a receipt to a board member and have him/her sign it to show you did donate the photos.


I am certain that the IRS does not allow what Burkley suggests. I would not follow this suggestion without consulting a knowledgable tax professional.

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Mar 1, 2022 20:43:23   #
son of tom Loc: Conroe, Teaxs
 
newsguygeorge wrote:
While this invitation is flattering and, no doubt, deserved, it's also a big "ask." Don't forget the Human Resources Department's first loyalty is to management, not the employee. So while getting policy guidance, which I hope would be in writing as part of a handbook, policy manual or other doument, I wouldn't rely on that totally for your decision. I hate to burden you with this, but consulting an employment attorney would make a lot of sense. You'll need your own loyal guidance to deal with such issues as:

Once these go on display, are they yours? If the hospital either pays you for them or reimburses you, to whom do they belong then?

Can you price them for sale and if someone wants to buy one of your prints, how do you handle that?

What if the hospital keeps asking you to provide more and more prints on a regular basis?

Will the hospital be responsible for damage or theft while they are on dispaly?

I am sure there are other questions, but those came to mind quickly. A lawyer could probably think of more.

It's a wonderful honor. But hospital administrators can't be trusted. I should know. I was one before I became a journalist.
While this invitation is flattering and, no doubt,... (show quote)



Don't forget the copyright. Be specific as how they will be used. ie... only to be used for display. Don't leave it open ended. You might find them being sold in the gift shop w/o any compensation to you. Hate to see anyone be taken advantage.

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Mar 2, 2022 00:22:11   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Jklovell wrote:
I know what you mean. I AM very delighted. I wouldn’t take a dime if it would make them any less likely to use any more of my images.


Well then that is your answer.

Don’t mess up a good thing.

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Mar 2, 2022 05:37:41   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
srg wrote:
If it were me, I would be so delighted that the financial question would not even occur.


But I'm often overruled. The cost of printing can mount quickly so it would be important to calculate your actual out of pocket $ so far in order to anticipate ongoing costs of meeting their requests. They likely expect to pay reasonable fees. Tracking out of pocket costs and time invested can/will be eye opening and a bit startling.

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Mar 2, 2022 08:11:37   #
Gspeed Loc: Rhinebeck, NY
 
Jklovell wrote:
I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer. Recently, as I was reorganizing my locker, my director noticed some of my printed images that had fallen to the floor as I was cleaning. She asked to see them and subsequently showed them to upper management. They, in turn, asked if I could provide them with a few large prints for the admin. lounge. I did. Fortunately, they turned out to be quite nice looking. Then they asked for a portfolio of my best images, which I provided. I edited them in LR and PS and printed all of them at 8.5 X 11in on my Canon Pro-300. I now have to meet with them on March 1, 2022, this coming Tuesday for a walk through the commons areas of the hospital. I’m kind of excited about the whole thing; not for financial gain, but for the exposure. My wife, on the other hand, feels like I need to get paid. Of course I agree that with all the effort and expenditures, I need some sort of compensation. I’m just not sure how to approach them with regard to money. I’ve considered buying the Canon Pro- 4000 to be able to do all of the printing myself. How should I approach them regarding money. I’d like to be able to reimburse myself for the printer.
Thanks,
J
I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer... (show quote)


Have you considered giving them a package price? For example, you will provide a minimum of "x" number of images (20?) for the price of "x" ($500?) For an additional fee, you could have the images enlarged/fine-tuned/mounted and the fee might be the actual cost for doing so, plus an additional "x" for your time: ($200?)

~ Eileen

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Mar 2, 2022 10:33:47   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
Jklovell the average salary for a registered nurse is $37.67 per hour in in my market (Fairfax, VA) and $11,125 overtime per year.

Why are you focused on turning a trick with photography? Seriously?

In my humble estimation you should be keen on furthering your career by pursuing Master's Degree and entering into the world of Nurse Practitioner. We currently live in a challenging time where RN's are retiring early from Covid induced burnout. Your skill set is a cherished public trust...

Photography is a menial career which has virtually zero barrier to entry... It is NOT a profession, nor does it require licensure or certification... Those who believe otherwise are victims of Vendor Hype...

Best advice Jklovell? Sell your photo kit and pursue your Master's Degree in a Nursing related field.

Bottom Line? Save a life and you're a HERO! Save hundreds of lives and you're an RN...
All the best on your journey Jklovell

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Mar 2, 2022 14:23:44   #
mr1492 Loc: Newport News, VA
 
For a very, very good explanation of legal issues for photographers, watch this video from B&H:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqDCIqOCDdM&list=PL6n4rj7I3iEdm4yW2gxXZhYlq1IUnddgB&index=6&t=2s

There's lots of information and very valuable.

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Mar 2, 2022 15:43:39   #
jwn Loc: SOUTHEAST GEORGIA USA
 
consider the hospital your private gallery, hang them with your info and price, as they sell replace. but retain ownership of the prints, don't give away your work

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Mar 2, 2022 16:05:15   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Jklovell the average salary for a registered nurse is $37.67 per hour in in my market (Fairfax, VA) and $11,125 overtime per year.

Why are you focused on turning a trick with photography? Seriously?

In my humble estimation you should be keen on furthering your career by pursuing Master's Degree and entering into the world of Nurse Practitioner. We currently live in a challenging time where RN's are retiring early from Covid induced burnout. Your skill set is a cherished public trust...

Photography is a menial career which has virtually zero barrier to entry... It is NOT a profession, nor does it require licensure or certification... Those who believe otherwise are victims of Vendor Hype...

Best advice Jklovell? Sell your photo kit and pursue your Master's Degree in a Nursing related field.

Bottom Line? Save a life and you're a HERO! Save hundreds of lives and you're an RN...
All the best on your journey Jklovell
Jklovell the average salary for a registered nurse... (show quote)



Thomas, Good and bad advice. Should he sell his camera, NO. He is not pursuing a career in photography. They saw some of his photos and are interesting in have some hanging around the hospital. He is only wondering about charges etc. He never said he was changing careers.

Should he try to move up by getting mor education, maybe. We do not know his age or if he is even interested in doing so. Maybe a statement like "have you considered about getting a higher education" would sound better and be better accepted. Nefer tell someone what they should do, and give advice only when asked for.

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Mar 2, 2022 18:39:43   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
The meeting was 2 days ago. What was the outcome?

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Mar 3, 2022 11:11:52   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
Jklovell wrote:
I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer. Recently, as I was reorganizing my locker, my director noticed some of my printed images that had fallen to the floor as I was cleaning. She asked to see them and subsequently showed them to upper management. They, in turn, asked if I could provide them with a few large prints for the admin. lounge. I did. Fortunately, they turned out to be quite nice looking. Then they asked for a portfolio of my best images, which I provided. I edited them in LR and PS and printed all of them at 8.5 X 11in on my Canon Pro-300. I now have to meet with them on March 1, 2022, this coming Tuesday for a walk through the commons areas of the hospital. I’m kind of excited about the whole thing; not for financial gain, but for the exposure. My wife, on the other hand, feels like I need to get paid. Of course I agree that with all the effort and expenditures, I need some sort of compensation. I’m just not sure how to approach them with regard to money. I’ve considered buying the Canon Pro- 4000 to be able to do all of the printing myself. How should I approach them regarding money. I’d like to be able to reimburse myself for the printer.
Thanks,
J
I’m a nurse and a part time landscape photographer... (show quote)


I am sure you are thrilled to be asked to show your work.
However I say you have so much money spent on your camera, lens, printing costs you deserved to be paid or at least recover costs connected.
Get paid period.
I am a sports photographer with lots of money invested and I get paid, so should you.
Good luck and let us know how this turns out.

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