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Feb 20, 2022 07:20:07   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekh****r/2022/02/20/canada-shows-why-its-called-american-exceptionalism-n2603533

It’s shocking to me that some people are surprised by how the situation with the Freedom Convoy went down. It was never going to end well, the odds of them winning were as long as a summer day for a very simple reason: Canada is not the United States.

That may seem obvious, and in the easiest way, it is. But in the way that matters most, it’s probably not that clear.

We have a tendency to think things that simply are not true, like the Iraqi people yearned to be free and democratic when in reality they simply wanted Saddam dead so they could return to settling ancient tribal scores. They had no idea what “freedom” meant, and the concept of individual liberty never occurred to them. It went over like introducing Sharia Law to San Francisco would.

One thing to notice about the coverage of the Canadian Freedom Convoy is how the American media, particularly from conservative outlets, didn’t reflect the will of Canadians. You’d think Justin Trudeau going full totalitarian, turning into a little Fidel Castro (like father, like son – look it up), would bring about a collapse in his popularity, but it hasn’t. Most Canadians were upset he didn’t act sooner.

Canada is not like the United States. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms grants Canadians various rights that, if you don’t think about it, are similar in a lot of ways to the rights we enjoy here. But there’s a major difference.

Our Constitution grants exactly zero rights to anyone, it acknowledges the rights with which we were born and denies the federal government the ability to infringe upon them. The Canadian Charter gives citizens certain rights, explicitly. If a government can grant rights, there is no justification for them not being able to take them away, temporarily or permanently.

When Trudeau invoked emergency powers, US conservatives recoiled in horror. Canadians did not.

I grew up in Detroit, just across the river from Windsor, Ontario. We had channel 9, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and were able to watch local and national news, as well as the Olympics, through the eyes of Canadians. They are very nationalistic, loyal to the country. The concept of individual liberty we take for granted is as “Canadian” as it is native to Democrats here. They simply aren’t interested.

It’s easy to look at Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc., and think they’re just like us because we have so much in common. We speak the same language, enjoy many of the same movies and much of the same music – who doesn’t like Hugh Jackman?

But there’s significantly more we do not share than we do. First and foremost, among them is our commitment to individual liberty.

Yes, some people share those values in those countries, but their culture is completely different. The Canadian truckers, as righteous as their cause was, were never going to win because the politicians they were opposing had the loyalty of the public because the public was used to obeying in the first place.

We don’t obey in this country. At least, we don’t all obey in this country. And we have our Constitution to back us up. The Constitution can’t be “set aside” like the Charter in Canada, unless, of course, Democrats had enough justices on the Supreme Court (thank God they do not).

Watching police roll over actual peaceful protesters, arresting as many as they can get their hands on for the crime of upsetting the state would lead to more people taking to the streets in this country, whereas in those countries listed above it led to nothing.

It’s not just Canada, Australia has seen violent police actions against people protesting lockdowns peacefully. Black L***s M****r/A****A deliberately inflicted billions in economic and property damage around the US and the world while beating holy hell out of those who objected, k*****g dozens and trying to murder hundreds more, all of which is on videotape, and the leaders of these countries joined them for photo-ops. There were no crackdowns against literal violence, just as Hitler never criticized the Brownshirts, while they were useful. Eventually, movements like B*M/A****A outlive their usefulness, but they haven’t yet for the left.

But the fight for individual freedom has no place on the left; it will never be useful, so it must be destroyed. Hearing US pundits try to lecture or appeal to Canadian authorities is kind of funny. They don’t care. You’re American. Are you going to do something differently because some mouthy jackass from Edmonton is displeased with you? No, you aren’t. Why would the reverse be looked at differently?

They know this, of course, it’s all for show; it’s to look tough and principled to a domestic audience. Canada was going to do, and will always do what they want. It’s fine, it’s their country. It’s what they v**e for and tolerate. If Trudeau were really unpopular, Parliament would hold a v**e of no confidence and force a new e******n. There isn’t even talk of that. They don’t have to wait 4 years to rid themselves of a leader, they could do it in a few weeks. That they haven’t even tried tells you something.

There is no place in the world like the United States, where you are born with your rights and the government is prevented from infringing upon them. Lots of places seem like us, but they aren’t. In those countries, for example, you can face jail time for speech, for saying things that upset people who seem to make their living finding new and creative ways to get upset. While Democrats would like nothing more than to bring that level of control here, they can’t. Our Constitution wouldn’t allow it and our people wouldn’t stand for it. The professional pearl-clutching class of aspiring victims don’t have the power they so desperately desire here, they just have to settle for getting CNN and MSNBC contracts.

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Feb 20, 2022 09:15:42   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekh****r/2022/02/20/canada-shows-why-its-called-american-exceptionalism-n2603533

It’s shocking to me that some people are surprised by how the situation with the Freedom Convoy went down. It was never going to end well, the odds of them winning were as long as a summer day for a very simple reason: Canada is not the United States.

That may seem obvious, and in the easiest way, it is. But in the way that matters most, it’s probably not that clear.

We have a tendency to think things that simply are not true, like the Iraqi people yearned to be free and democratic when in reality they simply wanted Saddam dead so they could return to settling ancient tribal scores. They had no idea what “freedom” meant, and the concept of individual liberty never occurred to them. It went over like introducing Sharia Law to San Francisco would.

One thing to notice about the coverage of the Canadian Freedom Convoy is how the American media, particularly from conservative outlets, didn’t reflect the will of Canadians. You’d think Justin Trudeau going full totalitarian, turning into a little Fidel Castro (like father, like son – look it up), would bring about a collapse in his popularity, but it hasn’t. Most Canadians were upset he didn’t act sooner.

Canada is not like the United States. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms grants Canadians various rights that, if you don’t think about it, are similar in a lot of ways to the rights we enjoy here. But there’s a major difference.

Our Constitution grants exactly zero rights to anyone, it acknowledges the rights with which we were born and denies the federal government the ability to infringe upon them. The Canadian Charter gives citizens certain rights, explicitly. If a government can grant rights, there is no justification for them not being able to take them away, temporarily or permanently.

When Trudeau invoked emergency powers, US conservatives recoiled in horror. Canadians did not.

I grew up in Detroit, just across the river from Windsor, Ontario. We had channel 9, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and were able to watch local and national news, as well as the Olympics, through the eyes of Canadians. They are very nationalistic, loyal to the country. The concept of individual liberty we take for granted is as “Canadian” as it is native to Democrats here. They simply aren’t interested.

It’s easy to look at Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc., and think they’re just like us because we have so much in common. We speak the same language, enjoy many of the same movies and much of the same music – who doesn’t like Hugh Jackman?

But there’s significantly more we do not share than we do. First and foremost, among them is our commitment to individual liberty.

Yes, some people share those values in those countries, but their culture is completely different. The Canadian truckers, as righteous as their cause was, were never going to win because the politicians they were opposing had the loyalty of the public because the public was used to obeying in the first place.

We don’t obey in this country. At least, we don’t all obey in this country. And we have our Constitution to back us up. The Constitution can’t be “set aside” like the Charter in Canada, unless, of course, Democrats had enough justices on the Supreme Court (thank God they do not).

Watching police roll over actual peaceful protesters, arresting as many as they can get their hands on for the crime of upsetting the state would lead to more people taking to the streets in this country, whereas in those countries listed above it led to nothing.

It’s not just Canada, Australia has seen violent police actions against people protesting lockdowns peacefully. Black L***s M****r/A****A deliberately inflicted billions in economic and property damage around the US and the world while beating holy hell out of those who objected, k*****g dozens and trying to murder hundreds more, all of which is on videotape, and the leaders of these countries joined them for photo-ops. There were no crackdowns against literal violence, just as Hitler never criticized the Brownshirts, while they were useful. Eventually, movements like B*M/A****A outlive their usefulness, but they haven’t yet for the left.

But the fight for individual freedom has no place on the left; it will never be useful, so it must be destroyed. Hearing US pundits try to lecture or appeal to Canadian authorities is kind of funny. They don’t care. You’re American. Are you going to do something differently because some mouthy jackass from Edmonton is displeased with you? No, you aren’t. Why would the reverse be looked at differently?

They know this, of course, it’s all for show; it’s to look tough and principled to a domestic audience. Canada was going to do, and will always do what they want. It’s fine, it’s their country. It’s what they v**e for and tolerate. If Trudeau were really unpopular, Parliament would hold a v**e of no confidence and force a new e******n. There isn’t even talk of that. They don’t have to wait 4 years to rid themselves of a leader, they could do it in a few weeks. That they haven’t even tried tells you something.

There is no place in the world like the United States, where you are born with your rights and the government is prevented from infringing upon them. Lots of places seem like us, but they aren’t. In those countries, for example, you can face jail time for speech, for saying things that upset people who seem to make their living finding new and creative ways to get upset. While Democrats would like nothing more than to bring that level of control here, they can’t. Our Constitution wouldn’t allow it and our people wouldn’t stand for it. The professional pearl-clutching class of aspiring victims don’t have the power they so desperately desire here, they just have to settle for getting CNN and MSNBC contracts.
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekh****r/2022/0... (show quote)




Well said.

Dennis

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Feb 20, 2022 09:59:01   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:


Well said.

Dennis


It is an opinion piece, nothing more.

Regarding the differences between the US and the other "free democracies" that he says don't have the birthright freedoms of Americans, it really does not matter what the guiding principles are if the implementation leads to the same endpoint. That is the basis behind statements on political ideologies that say even a benevolent dictatorship can be a good system.

The freedoms and rights of Canadians are not in practice much different than in the US. We can object and speak out against our leaders -- we do it every day; and we put our feelings into action every e******n cycle. The writer of the piece at least acknowledges that the majority of Canadians did not support the truckers, they were pleased that the PM took the action he did, and even admonished him for not acting sooner. That is because that action was in the best interests of the country, not the interests of the vocal minority. And the role of government is to protect the nation as a whole. People are in general apathetic, and the ones who speak out most loudly are usually a small subset of the country. If the government reacted by caving to every outcry, no matter how outlandish or selfish it is, then we would not have a country run by an elected government, but rather a country ruled by mobs.

I always admired Americans for their leadership in, and defence of, democracy... until the system allowed a person like Trump to rise to the top. He undermined democracy while claiming to defend it; he trashed t***h and honesty while lying daily to the nation; he thwarted law and order because he believe he is above the law; and Americans fell for the ruse hook, line and sinker.

There are many Americans who are now (in the post-Trump era) speaking out about how fragile your democracy is, and how it could be lost to an autocratic or dictatorial government. The Righteous Right claim that the Demonic Democrats are pushing the country in that direction, while the Dems are saying that the Repubs are undermining democracy. The Repubs fight back saying America is NOT a democracy, but a democratic republic. Nuances and semantics aside, YOU are a Democracy just like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, France, Germany... The people of the country get to elect their government by majority v**e, and the government is charged with doing what is best for the nation. That means for the majority, not the minority. And the government needs to, and should, act when necessary to protect the country. In the case of the trucker protest, mask and v*****e mandates were seen as a way to curb the spread of C***D; and shutting down the protest was a way of stopping a few thousand individuals from hijacking the economy of not only Canada but also the US by closing the border.

Prior to Trump taking office America WAS "The Greatest Country in the World." If the US can once again become Number 1 in the world for Democracy, Freedom, Economy, Defence, Education, S&T,... then I will once again think more highly of the land beneath mine. All I can say right now is that if Canada is "American Exceptionalism" then I am happy to be Canadian right now.

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Feb 20, 2022 14:01:49   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
John you seem to be needing some straightening out every couple of days now.

Yes it is an opinion piece and I personally share that opinion 100%.

While Trump was President he let it be known that America would not tolerate any terrorism and he did well with that point. America had no terror acts since he became President. Trump also quite handily took care of Iranian General Soleimani by blowing him into a million little pieces which he richly deserved. Neither Obama nor Biden would have done that FOR the American people. I doubt Trudeau would have done it either. The General would still be having American and Canadian troops murdered. I am not going to waste my time listing the positives Trump did for the country, MY country. They are listed by other members and are quite lengthy. I am also not going to delve into the negatives Biden has done against America. Nor will I go into Biden's lies and corruption for the past 50 years before and after he settled into politics. That much is known too. But you on the Left excuse his negatives while putting down Trump's positives.

You seem to have this idea any of us give a damn what you think of America, as if it mattered to any of us. It does not. You still have no idea of our political system and especially the rights guaranteed to us by our Constitution. As the OP pointed out your rights can be taken at any time. My rights are absolute though our Left Wingers continue trying to take them away.

IF America is not still the greatest country in the world then perhaps you can explain why 2 Million + i*****l a***ns have come here in the past year. I don't see i*****l a***ns flooding into Canada. Do you?

Trump never had any type of dictatorial government though that is the lie you on the Left continue spreading. What did Trump do to force anybody to do anything, what mandates did he issue ordering Americans to do anything. Nothing I know of. Fill us in on those dictator points of Trump if you have a second. No John the dictator BS starts and ends with the Left, the same Left who wants to eliminate the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments to the Constitution. Fill us in on your opinions of those things going on John. Tell us how taking those rights away from Americans is not a dictatorial move on the part of you Left Wingers.

Dennis

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Feb 20, 2022 14:21:13   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
dennis2146 wrote:
John you seem to be needing some straightening out every couple of days now.

Yes it is an opinion piece and I personally share that opinion 100%.

While Trump was President he let it be known that America would not tolerate any terrorism and he did well with that point. America had no terror acts since he became President. Trump also quite handily took care of Iranian General Soleimani by blowing him into a million little pieces which he richly deserved. Neither Obama nor Biden would have done that FOR the American people. I doubt Trudeau would have done it either. The General would still be having American and Canadian troops murdered. I am not going to waste my time listing the positives Trump did for the country, MY country. They are listed by other members and are quite lengthy. I am also not going to delve into the negatives Biden has done against America. Nor will I go into Biden's lies and corruption for the past 50 years before and after he settled into politics. That much is known too. But you on the Left excuse his negatives while putting down Trump's positives.

You seem to have this idea any of us give a damn what you think of America, as if it mattered to any of us. It does not. You still have no idea of our political system and especially the rights guaranteed to us by our Constitution. As the OP pointed out your rights can be taken at any time. My rights are absolute though our Left Wingers continue trying to take them away.

IF America is not still the greatest country in the world then perhaps you can explain why 2 Million + i*****l a***ns have come here in the past year. I don't see i*****l a***ns flooding into Canada. Do you?

Trump never had any type of dictatorial government though that is the lie you on the Left continue spreading. What did Trump do to force anybody to do anything, what mandates did he issue ordering Americans to do anything. Nothing I know of. Fill us in on those dictator points of Trump if you have a second. No John the dictator BS starts and ends with the Left, the same Left who wants to eliminate the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments to the Constitution. Fill us in on your opinions of those things going on John. Tell us how taking those rights away from Americans is not a dictatorial move on the part of you Left Wingers.

Dennis
John you seem to be needing some straightening out... (show quote)


Can you picture Canada being on the receiving end of 2 million i******s each year? In less than 10 years Canada would be a frozen Banana Republic.

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Feb 20, 2022 14:51:27   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
JohnFrim wrote:
It is an opinion piece, nothing more.

Regarding the differences between the US and the other "free democracies" that he says don't have the birthright freedoms of Americans, it really does not matter what the guiding principles are if the implementation leads to the same endpoint. That is the basis behind statements on political ideologies that say even a benevolent dictatorship can be a good system.

The freedoms and rights of Canadians are not in practice much different than in the US. We can object and speak out against our leaders -- we do it every day; and we put our feelings into action every e******n cycle. The writer of the piece at least acknowledges that the majority of Canadians did not support the truckers, they were pleased that the PM took the action he did, and even admonished him for not acting sooner. That is because that action was in the best interests of the country, not the interests of the vocal minority. And the role of government is to protect the nation as a whole. People are in general apathetic, and the ones who speak out most loudly are usually a small subset of the country. If the government reacted by caving to every outcry, no matter how outlandish or selfish it is, then we would not have a country run by an elected government, but rather a country ruled by mobs.

I always admired Americans for their leadership in, and defence of, democracy... until the system allowed a person like Trump to rise to the top. He undermined democracy while claiming to defend it; he trashed t***h and honesty while lying daily to the nation; he thwarted law and order because he believe he is above the law; and Americans fell for the ruse hook, line and sinker.

There are many Americans who are now (in the post-Trump era) speaking out about how fragile your democracy is, and how it could be lost to an autocratic or dictatorial government. The Righteous Right claim that the Demonic Democrats are pushing the country in that direction, while the Dems are saying that the Repubs are undermining democracy. The Repubs fight back saying America is NOT a democracy, but a democratic republic. Nuances and semantics aside, YOU are a Democracy just like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, France, Germany... The people of the country get to elect their government by majority v**e, and the government is charged with doing what is best for the nation. That means for the majority, not the minority. And the government needs to, and should, act when necessary to protect the country. In the case of the trucker protest, mask and v*****e mandates were seen as a way to curb the spread of C***D; and shutting down the protest was a way of stopping a few thousand individuals from hijacking the economy of not only Canada but also the US by closing the border.

Prior to Trump taking office America WAS "The Greatest Country in the World." If the US can once again become Number 1 in the world for Democracy, Freedom, Economy, Defence, Education, S&T,... then I will once again think more highly of the land beneath mine. All I can say right now is that if Canada is "American Exceptionalism" then I am happy to be Canadian right now.
It is an opinion piece, nothing more. br br Regar... (show quote)


Ha! Still the jokester, always on the wrong side of the t***h. Trump was on the right side many many times and yet your h**e over rides the t***h. 'Let's Go Brandon'
has done more damage than the combine of the rest of the DemoKrap Party.

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Feb 20, 2022 15:09:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
hondo812 wrote:
Can you picture Canada being on the receiving end of 2 million i******s each year? In less than 10 years Canada would be a frozen Banana Republic.


What a pleasant thought that would be. It seems to already be getting there with Trudeau in charge. Imagine him in the clothing of Fidel Castro and it will become evident to you. Think of Trudeau as a sissified form of Che Guevara but with no firearms and no masculinity apparent.

Dennis

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Feb 20, 2022 17:38:37   #
btbg
 
JohnFrim wrote:
It is an opinion piece, nothing more.

Regarding the differences between the US and the other "free democracies" that he says don't have the birthright freedoms of Americans, it really does not matter what the guiding principles are if the implementation leads to the same endpoint. That is the basis behind statements on political ideologies that say even a benevolent dictatorship can be a good system.

The freedoms and rights of Canadians are not in practice much different than in the US. We can object and speak out against our leaders -- we do it every day; and we put our feelings into action every e******n cycle. The writer of the piece at least acknowledges that the majority of Canadians did not support the truckers, they were pleased that the PM took the action he did, and even admonished him for not acting sooner. That is because that action was in the best interests of the country, not the interests of the vocal minority. And the role of government is to protect the nation as a whole. People are in general apathetic, and the ones who speak out most loudly are usually a small subset of the country. If the government reacted by caving to every outcry, no matter how outlandish or selfish it is, then we would not have a country run by an elected government, but rather a country ruled by mobs.

I always admired Americans for their leadership in, and defence of, democracy... until the system allowed a person like Trump to rise to the top. He undermined democracy while claiming to defend it; he trashed t***h and honesty while lying daily to the nation; he thwarted law and order because he believe he is above the law; and Americans fell for the ruse hook, line and sinker.

There are many Americans who are now (in the post-Trump era) speaking out about how fragile your democracy is, and how it could be lost to an autocratic or dictatorial government. The Righteous Right claim that the Demonic Democrats are pushing the country in that direction, while the Dems are saying that the Repubs are undermining democracy. The Repubs fight back saying America is NOT a democracy, but a democratic republic. Nuances and semantics aside, YOU are a Democracy just like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, France, Germany... The people of the country get to elect their government by majority v**e, and the government is charged with doing what is best for the nation. That means for the majority, not the minority. And the government needs to, and should, act when necessary to protect the country. In the case of the trucker protest, mask and v*****e mandates were seen as a way to curb the spread of C***D; and shutting down the protest was a way of stopping a few thousand individuals from hijacking the economy of not only Canada but also the US by closing the border.

Prior to Trump taking office America WAS "The Greatest Country in the World." If the US can once again become Number 1 in the world for Democracy, Freedom, Economy, Defence, Education, S&T,... then I will once again think more highly of the land beneath mine. All I can say right now is that if Canada is "American Exceptionalism" then I am happy to be Canadian right now.
It is an opinion piece, nothing more. br br Regar... (show quote)


You are very wrong. Either Canadians have the right to protest or they do not. If they have the right to protest than the truckers did nothing that warranted freezing their bank accounts, beating them yesterday with batons, breaking their truck windows, and arresting them for a peaceful protest.

The actions that were taken prove that they did not have the right to protest. They were allowed to protest until it became inconvenient and then they were dealt with harshly. That is not the same as in the U.S. at all, and I hope it never will be. We have the right to peacefully assemble and to protest, and that right can't be taken away. That is far far different from what just happened in Canada.

When government is allowed to "do what is best for the country" at the expense of the minority, that is what leads to Japanese Internment camps, that is what leads to what China is doing to the Ugyurs, and that is what leads to N**is imprisoning the Jews. In each case the majority supported the government action. And in each case what government did or is doing was evil.

You don't seem to understand that you have no rights when the minority can be abused by the majority, because someday you may well be in the minority. What then?


Bertolt Brecht poem inspired by inspired by Emil Gustav Friedrich Martin Niemöller
"First of all, they came to take the gypsies
and I was happy because they pilfered.
Then they came to take the Jews and I said nothing,
because they were unpleasant to me.
Then they came to take homosexuals,
and I was relieved, because they were annoying me.
Then they came to take the C*******ts,
and I said nothing because I was not a C*******t.
One day they came to take me,
and there was nobody left to protest."


You may not recognize it, but that is what is currently happening in your country.

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Feb 20, 2022 17:42:33   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
btbg wrote:
You are very wrong. Either Canadians have the right to protest or they do not. If they have the right to protest than the truckers did nothing that warranted freezing their bank accounts, beating them yesterday with batons, breaking their truck windows, and arresting them for a peaceful protest.

The actions that were taken prove that they did not have the right to protest. They were allowed to protest until it became inconvenient and then they were dealt with harshly. That is not the same as in the U.S. at all, and I hope it never will be. We have the right to peacefully assemble and to protest, and that right can't be taken away. That is far far different from what just happened in Canada.

When government is allowed to "do what is best for the country" at the expense of the minority, that is what leads to Japanese Internment camps, that is what leads to what China is doing to the Ugyurs, and that is what leads to N**is imprisoning the Jews. In each case the majority supported the government action. And in each case what government did or is doing was evil.

You don't seem to understand that you have no rights when the minority can be abused by the majority, because someday you may well be in the minority. What then?


Bertolt Brecht poem inspired by inspired by Emil Gustav Friedrich Martin Niemöller
"First of all, they came to take the gypsies
and I was happy because they pilfered.
Then they came to take the Jews and I said nothing,
because they were unpleasant to me.
Then they came to take homosexuals,
and I was relieved, because they were annoying me.
Then they came to take the C*******ts,
and I said nothing because I was not a C*******t.
One day they came to take me,
and there was nobody left to protest."


You may not recognize it, but that is what is currently happening in your country.
You are very wrong. Either Canadians have the righ... (show quote)




Well said.

Dennis

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Feb 21, 2022 09:29:38   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
hondo812 wrote:
Can you picture Canada being on the receiving end of 2 million i******s each year? In less than 10 years Canada would be a frozen Banana Republic.


Canada has plenty of immigrants coming in -- by desire -- each year. Perhaps we don't mistreat them the way you folks do with your immigrants. Maybe we have fairer policies that we implement successfully. Maybe we don't sensationalize the issues the way you do. Maybe Canadian politics is a little less partisan. Wh**ever the reasons, I am still happy to be Canadian. I would not have minded being American at one time, but not now, thank you very much.

As for numbers, you have to divide almost everything by 10 because of the size of our respective populations. So it could be 100 years, not 10, before we would be a frozen Banana Republic. And with g****l w*****g me might become a thawed Banana Republic.

We actually had 401,000 immigrants in 2021, which surpassed the previous record set in 1913!!! I could not easily find US immigration stats for last year, but the figure given for 2015 was 47 million people in America are immigrants, representing 14.4% of your population. By comparison, 21% of the Canadian population in 2019 were immigrants.

You Americans seem really down on immigration, but according to Wikipedia...

"Research suggests that immigration to the United States is beneficial to the United States economy. With few exceptions, the evidence suggests that on average, immigration has positive economic effects on the native population, but it is mixed as to whether low-sk**led immigration adversely affects low-sk**led natives. Studies also show that immigrants have lower crime rates than natives in the United States."

That last statement really negates a lot of the anti-immigrant rhetoric that makes it way into this forum.

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Feb 21, 2022 09:57:53   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
btbg wrote:
You are very wrong. Either Canadians have the right to protest or they do not.

Of course we have the right to protest. No one stopped the truckers from coming to Ottawa to express their disagreement with the mandates.
btbg wrote:
If they have the right to protest than the truckers did nothing that warranted freezing their bank accounts, beating them yesterday with batons, breaking their truck windows, and arresting them for a peaceful protest.

They parked illegally and interfered with the lives of Canadians. Three weeks of disruption was deemed more than enough time to express an opinion, the majority of the country was fed up, and the courts issued injunctions against the protests, making them illegal. The truckers had fair warning to cease and desist. The police were just upholding the law.
btbg wrote:
The actions that were taken prove that they did not have the right to protest. They were allowed to protest until it became inconvenient and then they were dealt with harshly. That is not the same as in the U.S. at all, and I hope it never will be. We have the right to peacefully assemble and to protest, and that right can't be taken away. That is far far different from what just happened in Canada.

Well, on 6 Jan thousands of people were allowed to peacefully gather in Washington to stage a protest. But then a few people decided that "The People's House" should just open the doors and let them in to wander about, and maybe take home a few souvenirs as well. But the Capitol Gestapo tried to stop them. Why? What was illegal about "visiting" The Capitol? Do you suppose that there were proper procedures (not really laws, perhaps... but rules) that had to be followed for peaceful entry? Sign in, security check, visitor's pass issued? So the people decided to break down doors and windows, and if I recall correctly one innocent young lady who did nothing wrong other than to exercise her right to enter "her house" (through a smashed-in window, without a visitor's pass) was shot and k**led. Not to mention the assaults on police officers with all manner of "improvised weapons." Yes, you are correct... "That is far far different from what just happened in Canada."
btbg wrote:
When government is allowed to "do what is best for the country" at the expense of the minority, that is what leads to Japanese Internment camps, that is what leads to what China is doing to the Ugyurs, and that is what leads to N**is imprisoning the Jews. In each case the majority supported the government action. And in each case what government did or is doing was evil.

You might want to add a note about what you folks did to b****s, or to Native Americans when you "invaded" North America. But I will agree with you that such actions were wrong... all of them.
btbg wrote:
You don't seem to understand that you have no rights when the minority can be abused by the majority, because someday you may well be in the minority. What then?

No question that I will be in the minority. In my city I already am a minority; over 50% of the population here was not born inn Canada, with over 30% being Indian.
btbg wrote:
Bertolt Brecht poem inspired by inspired by Emil Gustav Friedrich Martin Niemöller
"First of all, they came to take the gypsies
and I was happy because they pilfered.
Then they came to take the Jews and I said nothing,
because they were unpleasant to me.
Then they came to take homosexuals,
and I was relieved, because they were annoying me.
Then they came to take the C*******ts,
and I said nothing because I was not a C*******t.
One day they came to take me,
and there was nobody left to protest."


You may not recognize it, but that is what is currently happening in your country.
Bertolt Brecht poem inspired by inspired by Emil G... (show quote)


Right back at ya... You may not recognize it, but that is what is currently happening in your country... is sad.

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Feb 21, 2022 11:37:37   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekh****r/2022/02/20/canada-shows-why-its-called-american-exceptionalism-n2603533

It’s shocking to me that some people are surprised by how the situation with the Freedom Convoy went down. It was never going to end well, the odds of them winning were as long as a summer day for a very simple reason: Canada is not the United States.

That may seem obvious, and in the easiest way, it is. But in the way that matters most, it’s probably not that clear.

We have a tendency to think things that simply are not true, like the Iraqi people yearned to be free and democratic when in reality they simply wanted Saddam dead so they could return to settling ancient tribal scores. They had no idea what “freedom” meant, and the concept of individual liberty never occurred to them. It went over like introducing Sharia Law to San Francisco would.

One thing to notice about the coverage of the Canadian Freedom Convoy is how the American media, particularly from conservative outlets, didn’t reflect the will of Canadians. You’d think Justin Trudeau going full totalitarian, turning into a little Fidel Castro (like father, like son – look it up), would bring about a collapse in his popularity, but it hasn’t. Most Canadians were upset he didn’t act sooner.

Canada is not like the United States. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms grants Canadians various rights that, if you don’t think about it, are similar in a lot of ways to the rights we enjoy here. But there’s a major difference.

Our Constitution grants exactly zero rights to anyone, it acknowledges the rights with which we were born and denies the federal government the ability to infringe upon them. The Canadian Charter gives citizens certain rights, explicitly. If a government can grant rights, there is no justification for them not being able to take them away, temporarily or permanently.

When Trudeau invoked emergency powers, US conservatives recoiled in horror. Canadians did not.

I grew up in Detroit, just across the river from Windsor, Ontario. We had channel 9, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and were able to watch local and national news, as well as the Olympics, through the eyes of Canadians. They are very nationalistic, loyal to the country. The concept of individual liberty we take for granted is as “Canadian” as it is native to Democrats here. They simply aren’t interested.

It’s easy to look at Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc., and think they’re just like us because we have so much in common. We speak the same language, enjoy many of the same movies and much of the same music – who doesn’t like Hugh Jackman?

But there’s significantly more we do not share than we do. First and foremost, among them is our commitment to individual liberty.

Yes, some people share those values in those countries, but their culture is completely different. The Canadian truckers, as righteous as their cause was, were never going to win because the politicians they were opposing had the loyalty of the public because the public was used to obeying in the first place.

We don’t obey in this country. At least, we don’t all obey in this country. And we have our Constitution to back us up. The Constitution can’t be “set aside” like the Charter in Canada, unless, of course, Democrats had enough justices on the Supreme Court (thank God they do not).

Watching police roll over actual peaceful protesters, arresting as many as they can get their hands on for the crime of upsetting the state would lead to more people taking to the streets in this country, whereas in those countries listed above it led to nothing.

It’s not just Canada, Australia has seen violent police actions against people protesting lockdowns peacefully. Black L***s M****r/A****A deliberately inflicted billions in economic and property damage around the US and the world while beating holy hell out of those who objected, k*****g dozens and trying to murder hundreds more, all of which is on videotape, and the leaders of these countries joined them for photo-ops. There were no crackdowns against literal violence, just as Hitler never criticized the Brownshirts, while they were useful. Eventually, movements like B*M/A****A outlive their usefulness, but they haven’t yet for the left.

But the fight for individual freedom has no place on the left; it will never be useful, so it must be destroyed. Hearing US pundits try to lecture or appeal to Canadian authorities is kind of funny. They don’t care. You’re American. Are you going to do something differently because some mouthy jackass from Edmonton is displeased with you? No, you aren’t. Why would the reverse be looked at differently?

They know this, of course, it’s all for show; it’s to look tough and principled to a domestic audience. Canada was going to do, and will always do what they want. It’s fine, it’s their country. It’s what they v**e for and tolerate. If Trudeau were really unpopular, Parliament would hold a v**e of no confidence and force a new e******n. There isn’t even talk of that. They don’t have to wait 4 years to rid themselves of a leader, they could do it in a few weeks. That they haven’t even tried tells you something.

There is no place in the world like the United States, where you are born with your rights and the government is prevented from infringing upon them. Lots of places seem like us, but they aren’t. In those countries, for example, you can face jail time for speech, for saying things that upset people who seem to make their living finding new and creative ways to get upset. While Democrats would like nothing more than to bring that level of control here, they can’t. Our Constitution wouldn’t allow it and our people wouldn’t stand for it. The professional pearl-clutching class of aspiring victims don’t have the power they so desperately desire here, they just have to settle for getting CNN and MSNBC contracts.
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekh****r/2022/0... (show quote)


The problem can be summed up in one phrase.The CANADIAN GOVERNMENT grants it;s citizens certain rights. Our rights are not granted by the Government. "We are endowed by our creator with certain....." Not government. Problem is if governments grants rights it can take them away. At the whim of that government. And that is just one reason whty we are an exceptional country. There are many other reason as well

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Feb 21, 2022 11:51:30   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
boberic wrote:
The problem can be summed up in one phrase.The CANADIAN GOVERNMENT grants it;s citizens certain rights. Our rights are not granted by the Government. "We are endowed by our creator with certain....." Not government. Problem is if governments grants rights it can take them away. At the whim of that government. And that is just one reason whty we are an exceptional country. There are many other reason as well


Pardon my forwardness, but that is utter crap. The words can say you are endowed rights by your creator, but those rights are only accepted, exercised, and enforced because your government -- YOU, THE PEOPLE -- acknowledge, respect, and abide by them. GOD has nothing to do with your freedom.

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Feb 21, 2022 12:10:58   #
btbg
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Right back at ya... You may not recognize it, but that is what is currently happening in your country... is sad.


I will only bother to address your last paragraph. I absolutely recognize that is what is happening in my country right now. It is progressives doing it just like in Canada.

This is all part of the Great Reset plan from the World Economic Forum. Progressives all over the world are attempting to take over all facets of our lives.

I hope to God they do not succeed, but my guess is that they have gotten far enough now that they will succeed as we head ever closer to one world order.

I'm old enough that it will probably not significantly impact my life, but I am concerned for both my kids and grandkids.

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Feb 21, 2022 12:15:47   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
WNYShooter wrote:
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekh****r/2022/02/20/canada-shows-why-its-called-american-exceptionalism-n2603533

It’s shocking to me that some people are surprised by how the situation with the Freedom Convoy went down. It was never going to end well, the odds of them winning were as long as a summer day for a very simple reason: Canada is not the United States.

That may seem obvious, and in the easiest way, it is. But in the way that matters most, it’s probably not that clear.

We have a tendency to think things that simply are not true, like the Iraqi people yearned to be free and democratic when in reality they simply wanted Saddam dead so they could return to settling ancient tribal scores. They had no idea what “freedom” meant, and the concept of individual liberty never occurred to them. It went over like introducing Sharia Law to San Francisco would.

One thing to notice about the coverage of the Canadian Freedom Convoy is how the American media, particularly from conservative outlets, didn’t reflect the will of Canadians. You’d think Justin Trudeau going full totalitarian, turning into a little Fidel Castro (like father, like son – look it up), would bring about a collapse in his popularity, but it hasn’t. Most Canadians were upset he didn’t act sooner.

Canada is not like the United States. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms grants Canadians various rights that, if you don’t think about it, are similar in a lot of ways to the rights we enjoy here. But there’s a major difference.

Our Constitution grants exactly zero rights to anyone, it acknowledges the rights with which we were born and denies the federal government the ability to infringe upon them. The Canadian Charter gives citizens certain rights, explicitly. If a government can grant rights, there is no justification for them not being able to take them away, temporarily or permanently.

When Trudeau invoked emergency powers, US conservatives recoiled in horror. Canadians did not.

I grew up in Detroit, just across the river from Windsor, Ontario. We had channel 9, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and were able to watch local and national news, as well as the Olympics, through the eyes of Canadians. They are very nationalistic, loyal to the country. The concept of individual liberty we take for granted is as “Canadian” as it is native to Democrats here. They simply aren’t interested.

It’s easy to look at Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc., and think they’re just like us because we have so much in common. We speak the same language, enjoy many of the same movies and much of the same music – who doesn’t like Hugh Jackman?

But there’s significantly more we do not share than we do. First and foremost, among them is our commitment to individual liberty.

Yes, some people share those values in those countries, but their culture is completely different. The Canadian truckers, as righteous as their cause was, were never going to win because the politicians they were opposing had the loyalty of the public because the public was used to obeying in the first place.

We don’t obey in this country. At least, we don’t all obey in this country. And we have our Constitution to back us up. The Constitution can’t be “set aside” like the Charter in Canada, unless, of course, Democrats had enough justices on the Supreme Court (thank God they do not).

Watching police roll over actual peaceful protesters, arresting as many as they can get their hands on for the crime of upsetting the state would lead to more people taking to the streets in this country, whereas in those countries listed above it led to nothing.

It’s not just Canada, Australia has seen violent police actions against people protesting lockdowns peacefully. Black L***s M****r/A****A deliberately inflicted billions in economic and property damage around the US and the world while beating holy hell out of those who objected, k*****g dozens and trying to murder hundreds more, all of which is on videotape, and the leaders of these countries joined them for photo-ops. There were no crackdowns against literal violence, just as Hitler never criticized the Brownshirts, while they were useful. Eventually, movements like B*M/A****A outlive their usefulness, but they haven’t yet for the left.

But the fight for individual freedom has no place on the left; it will never be useful, so it must be destroyed. Hearing US pundits try to lecture or appeal to Canadian authorities is kind of funny. They don’t care. You’re American. Are you going to do something differently because some mouthy jackass from Edmonton is displeased with you? No, you aren’t. Why would the reverse be looked at differently?

They know this, of course, it’s all for show; it’s to look tough and principled to a domestic audience. Canada was going to do, and will always do what they want. It’s fine, it’s their country. It’s what they v**e for and tolerate. If Trudeau were really unpopular, Parliament would hold a v**e of no confidence and force a new e******n. There isn’t even talk of that. They don’t have to wait 4 years to rid themselves of a leader, they could do it in a few weeks. That they haven’t even tried tells you something.

There is no place in the world like the United States, where you are born with your rights and the government is prevented from infringing upon them. Lots of places seem like us, but they aren’t. In those countries, for example, you can face jail time for speech, for saying things that upset people who seem to make their living finding new and creative ways to get upset. While Democrats would like nothing more than to bring that level of control here, they can’t. Our Constitution wouldn’t allow it and our people wouldn’t stand for it. The professional pearl-clutching class of aspiring victims don’t have the power they so desperately desire here, they just have to settle for getting CNN and MSNBC contracts.
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekh****r/2022/0... (show quote)


Your title for this post is perfect. And all the Conservatives who replied were right on with their comments as well.

John, from the Great White North says, "That (Canadian government) action was in the best interests of the country, not the interests of the vocal minority. And the role of government is to protect the nation as a whole." That statement is the main tenet of Collectivism, Socialism, and C*******m. And free speech and v****g in Canada says nothing and is also not exceptional being shared by Russia and many other totalitarian countries as well.

What makes the U.S. exceptional is that we value individualism and minority rights over the collective interests of the state or government. And we have protected those inherent and inalienable rights in our Constitution from just such a force as the Canadian federal government using coercion to do what they think is in the best rights for the Collective.

I guess you have to have studied American history and government to fully grasp this. Conservatives have. Canadians just don't get it.

It may be in the best interests of the country for everyone to live in a 4 bedroom house with a swimming pool but that gives a government no power to mandate that people move into your house whether they v**ed on that or not.

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