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Feb 19, 2022 16:53:45   #
Rob48 Loc: Portland, ME
 
New Hampshire has it right.


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Feb 19, 2022 17:35:41   #
Bigmike1 Loc: I am from Gaffney, S.C. but live in Utah.
 
Would that we had leaders like him today. There are too many today who will take the chains.

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Feb 19, 2022 19:25:17   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
Those are fine words --
But saying them does of course depend on the situation ---
Like would they be at all appropriate if say you're next in a line to receive a v******tion --
The response you are bound to get is --

"OK then -- Sir please step aside" -- "Next person in line!!"

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Feb 19, 2022 19:26:17   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
When such words are spoken by someone who never fought, I believe the correct term is jingoism -- anxious to have young men die for old men's money.

Today Henry would likely be a co-conspirator with Trump in some form of illegal real estate s**m and under investigation by AG James. He was a corrupt crook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazoo_land_scandal

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Feb 19, 2022 20:59:23   #
Elias Amador
 
"Georgia dissolved Bourbon County in 1788. The federal government opposed Bourbon County because of the unresolved Spanish claim, and because claims to the area by the Choctaw and Chickasaw Native American tribes had not been extinguished.
In about 1789, a secret society called the Combined Society was formed; the members' sole purpose was to make money by land speculation. This group secured influence in the Georgia legislature to further its aims. In 1789 three companies, The South Carolina Yazoo Company, The Virginia Yazoo Company (which was headed by Patrick Henry), and the Tennessee Company were formed by Combined Society interests to buy land from the Georgia legislature. Governor Edward Telfair signed a deal to sell 20,000,000 acres (81,000 km2) of land to the Yazoo companies for $207,000, or about 1 cent per acre.[3] " - from Wikipedia.

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Feb 19, 2022 22:16:10   #
Rob48 Loc: Portland, ME
 
Ysarex wrote:
When such words are spoken by someone who never fought, I believe the correct term is jingoism -- anxious to have young men die for old men's money.

Today Henry would likely be a co-conspirator with Trump in some form of illegal real estate s**m and under investigation by AG James. He was a corrupt crook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazoo_land_scandal


And your proof positive is wikipedia, how fitting. Even so, this does not invalidate the speech given.

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Feb 19, 2022 22:36:14   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Rob48 wrote:
And your proof positive is wikipedia, how fitting.

How ignorant. You can read about the Yazoo Land Fraud (and Henry's corrupt participation) in any decent American history book. Or just Google it: https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=yazoo+land+fraud+in+georgia&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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Feb 19, 2022 22:38:24   #
Rob48 Loc: Portland, ME
 
Elias Amador wrote:
"Georgia dissolved Bourbon County in 1788. The federal government opposed Bourbon County because of the unresolved Spanish claim, and because claims to the area by the Choctaw and Chickasaw Native American tribes had not been extinguished.
In about 1789, a secret society called the Combined Society was formed; the members' sole purpose was to make money by land speculation. This group secured influence in the Georgia legislature to further its aims. In 1789 three companies, The South Carolina Yazoo Company, The Virginia Yazoo Company (which was headed by Patrick Henry), and the Tennessee Company were formed by Combined Society interests to buy land from the Georgia legislature. Governor Edward Telfair signed a deal to sell 20,000,000 acres (81,000 km2) of land to the Yazoo companies for $207,000, or about 1 cent per acre.[3] " - from Wikipedia.
"Georgia dissolved Bourbon County in 1788. Th... (show quote)


While not dismissing the scandal and after reading several other articles on the matter, I seem to only find his involvement in the scandal is the fact he wrote petition for the interests involved ;so, I don't know.

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Feb 19, 2022 22:38:26   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Rob48 wrote:
Even so, this does not invalidate the speech given.

It brings into question his motivation. Henry was a grifter plain and simple.

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Feb 19, 2022 22:46:23   #
Rob48 Loc: Portland, ME
 
Ysarex wrote:
It brings into question his motivation. Henry was a grifter plain and simple.


As I said, this does not invalidate the essence of the speech. Even if he was involved somehow, it does not make him a grifter as you put it. How Howard Zinn of you.

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Feb 19, 2022 23:30:03   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Rob48 wrote:
As I said, this does not invalidate the essence of the speech. Even if he was involved somehow, it does not make him a grifter as you put it. How Howard Zinn of you.

You need to read some history books and it doesn't have to be Howard Zinn. (What H. Zinn have you read by the way?) Patrick Henry was a coward and a hypocrite. He wrote; "Would any one believe that I am master of s***es by my own purchase? I am drawn along by the general inconvenience of living without them. I will not -- I cannot justify it, however culpable my conduct. I will so far pay my devoir to Virtue, as to own the excellence and rectitude of her precepts, and to lament my want of conformity to them." He owned 80 s***es. He felt better when he confessed his sins but he kept the s***es.

He opposed and wanted to scuttle the Constitution. He believed that the Constitution's provisions concerning m*****as were a stealth attempt to leave the s***e states defenseless, unable to put down a s***e uprising. You ever read the 2nd amendment? Henry was instrumental in the adoption of the 2nd amendment. What do you think a well regulated m*****a did in the state of Virginia? They were called s***e patrols. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114

Sorry, but you are not talking about a decent honest and honorable man here.

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Feb 20, 2022 01:53:49   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
Ysarex wrote:
You need to read some history books and it doesn't have to be Howard Zinn. (What H. Zinn have you read by the way?) Patrick Henry was a coward and a hypocrite. He wrote; "Would any one believe that I am master of s***es by my own purchase? I am drawn along by the general inconvenience of living without them. I will not -- I cannot justify it, however culpable my conduct. I will so far pay my devoir to Virtue, as to own the excellence and rectitude of her precepts, and to lament my want of conformity to them." He owned 80 s***es. He felt better when he confessed his sins but he kept the s***es.

He opposed and wanted to scuttle the Constitution. He believed that the Constitution's provisions concerning m*****as were a stealth attempt to leave the s***e states defenseless, unable to put down a s***e uprising. You ever read the 2nd amendment? Henry was instrumental in the adoption of the 2nd amendment. What do you think a well regulated m*****a did in the state of Virginia? They were called s***e patrols. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114

Sorry, but you are not talking about a decent honest and honorable man here.
You need to read some history books and it doesn't... (show quote)


Thank you for the brief history lesson -- I will make an effort to read more about Patrick Henry --
My issue with using his words is their current use to justify all the false anti-V*****e & Mask rhetoric

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Feb 20, 2022 07:21:33   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
ken_stern wrote:
Thank you for the brief history lesson -- I will make an effort to read more about Patrick Henry --
My issue with using his words is their current use to justify all the false anti-V*****e & Mask rhetoric


I trust you and many others are in an accelerated program to learn the languages of the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans - and how to say, "These chains really hurt"!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Feb 25, 2022 08:17:23   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
You miss the point. PH spoke of time of war and his commitment to freedom, a political matter of the highest order, as he saw it.

The anti-v******tion crowd sends a mixed message by characterizing their defiance of the public health and community safety as a matter of freedom. This selfish view excludes the risk of the unv******ted spreading the c****av***s to innocent others.

Further, this crowd willfully scorns if not ignores the role of medical science in fighting the c****av***s.
ken_stern wrote:
Those are fine words --
But saying them does of course depend on the situation ---
Like would they be at all appropriate if say you're next in a line to receive a v******tion --
The response you are bound to get is --

"OK then -- Sir please step aside" -- "Next person in line!!"

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