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Feb 17, 2022 11:13:34   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Up until recently my Epson 3880 has been nearly sopt on in reproducing the colors as they appear on scren. Suddenly, out of the blue, the printed photos had a slight yellowish/greenish tint, most noticeable in skin tones. I tried everything--Nozzle check, clean print heads, Power cleaning. I even changed out the ink caartridges that were a few months out of date. Nothing helped. I called Epson and explained everything the the tech. He had me delete the printer and driver, synch the driver up to the latest version of my Mac operating system and reinstall the driver. Still no change in the color tint. I then printed from Preview and Ps. This eliminated the Yellowish/Greenish tint, but produced a mor orange tint in skin tones. His conclusion was that this is a Lightroom problem.

So, next I called Adobe. After getting disconnected twice I finally got a very patient technician. Although I'm not sure how knowledgable he is. He told me that when Apple updates the operating system, or when Adobe updates programs, there have been other complaints like mine, where Ps or Lr do not print with accurate colors. He said this is definately an Adobe problem, not an Epson problem. He sent me a bunch of useless articles. Anyway, he finally took control of my screen, played around with the print setting in Lr and with the drop down menus you get when you print from Lr. This was really trial and error. He had no actual plan. The end result is that the Yellowish/greenish tint is gone, but the skin tones are now to orange, just as they were when the Epson tech had me print from Ps. This is much more acceptable, but still problematic.

Has anyone had a problem similar to this? Thoughts? If neither Epson nor Adobe were able to fix the problem, I am out of ideas.

Thanks.
Steve

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Feb 17, 2022 11:33:08   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
Your printer and your display both need to be calibrated. You have to purchase a calibration system. I did that and pints are color correct.

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Feb 17, 2022 11:42:19   #
flyguy Loc: Las Cruces, New Mexico
 
StevenG wrote:
Up until recently my Epson 3880 has been nearly sopt on in reproducing the colors as they appear on scren. Suddenly, out of the blue, the printed photos had a slight yellowish/greenish tint, most noticeable in skin tones. I tried everything--Nozzle check, clean print heads, Power cleaning. I even changed out the ink caartridges that were a few months out of date. Nothing helped. I called Epson and explained everything the the tech. He had me delete the printer and driver, synch the driver up to the latest version of my Mac operating system and reinstall the driver. Still no change in the color tint. I then printed from Preview and Ps. This eliminated the Yellowish/Greenish tint, but produced a mor orange tint in skin tones. His conclusion was that this is a Lightroom problem.

So, next I called Adobe. After getting disconnected twice I finally got a very patient technician. Although I'm not sure how knowledgable he is. He told me that when Apple updates the operating system, or when Adobe updates programs, there have been other complaints like mine, where Ps or Lr do not print with accurate colors. He said this is definately an Adobe problem, not an Epson problem. He sent me a bunch of useless articles. Anyway, he finally took control of my screen, played around with the print setting in Lr and with the drop down menus you get when you print from Lr. This was really trial and error. He had no actual plan. The end result is that the Yellowish/greenish tint is gone, but the skin tones are now to orange, just as they were when the Epson tech had me print from Ps. This is much more acceptable, but still problematic.

Has anyone had a problem similar to this? Thoughts? If neither Epson nor Adobe were able to fix the problem, I am out of ideas.

Thanks.
Steve
Up until recently my Epson 3880 has been nearly so... (show quote)


I suspect that some where along the line one of your Apple OS updates inserted Apple AirPrint for the printer driver in place of the Epson Driver.
This has happened to me.

Also, to make sure your printer is producing accurate color you need to print a standard evaluation print. Here is a good one: http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi048/essay.html

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Feb 17, 2022 12:03:17   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
ecblackiii wrote:
Your printer and your display both need to be calibrated. You have to purchase a calibration system. I did that and pints are color correct.


I calibrate regularly.

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Feb 17, 2022 12:06:24   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
flyguy wrote:
I suspect that some where along the line one of your Apple OS updates inserted Apple AirPrint for the printer driver in place of the Epson Driver.
This has happened to me.

Also, to make sure your printer is producing accurate color you need to print a standard evaluation print. Here is a good one: http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi048/essay.html


I have the latest Epson printer driver installed.

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Feb 17, 2022 12:12:13   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Check your colour space settings. Exporting as something other than sRGB may be producing the problems you've had.

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Feb 17, 2022 12:26:04   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
R.G. wrote:
Check your colour space settings. Exporting as something other than sRGB may be producing the problems you've had.


Thanks. I'm old and not very computer literate. When I export for editing to Ps or On1, I export as ProPhoto RGB.When I export to desk top or elsewhere from Lr color space is set as sRGB. I'm not sure how to tell what color space is set to when I use the print module from Lr.

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Feb 17, 2022 12:28:31   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
StevenG wrote:
Thanks. I'm old and not very computer literate. When I export for editing to Ps or On1, I export as ProPhoto RGB.When I export to desk top or elsewhere from Lr color space is set as sRGB. I'm not sure how to tell what color space is set to when I use the print module from Lr.


Try a basic experiment. Use the LR Classic export and output a print-ready JPEG in the sRGB colorspace. This should print with the same attributes as using LR 'print' module. If not, then you have a thread to follow regarding colorspace issues.

In the 'Print Job' subpanel of the LR print module, the colorspace is controlled. Here you'd want sRGB too.

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Feb 17, 2022 12:48:51   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Is it possible that your printer driver has been changed (updated) recently? Apparently (in my Lr6) when "Managed by Printer" is selected, colour management needs to be enabled in the printer driver. If the driver has been updated it may have gone to another default setting.

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Feb 17, 2022 13:24:06   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Try a basic experiment. Use the LR Classic export and output a print-ready JPEG in the sRGB colorspace. This should print with the same attributes as using LR 'print' module. If not, then you have a thread to follow regarding colorspace issues.

In the 'Print Job' subpanel of the LR print module, the colorspace is controlled. Here you'd want sRGB too.


Thanks.
OK. I exported a JPEG to my desktop in sRGB. I printed it from Preview. Same slight orange tint. I went to Lr and checked the Print Job sub panel. I have no option for color space. There is Print Resolution and Sharpening. Media Type. Then we get to Color Management.Here unter profile I have the printer and Icc profile listed. Intent is set to
relative. Then finally there is Print Adjustment. No Colorspace where I can indicate sRGB.

As an aside, which may be important: In the Lr print module, lower left hand side, Print Settings--I always had Color Matching set to "Epson Color Controls". The tech from Adobe, when playing around, set this to "Color Sync". That changed the photo from Yellowish/Greenish to an orange tint. The problem is, this is now greyed out, and I do not know how to switch between the "Color Sync" and "Epson Color Control", so I can
t see if this wil effect the color of the print. I hope this makes some sense.
Steve

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Feb 17, 2022 13:47:13   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
StevenG wrote:
Thanks.
OK. I exported a JPEG to my desktop in sRGB. I printed it from Preview. Same slight orange tint. I went to Lr and checked the Print Job sub panel. I have no option for color space. There is Print Resolution and Sharpening. Media Type. Then we get to Color Management.Here unter profile I have the printer and Icc profile listed. Intent is set to
relative. Then finally there is Print Adjustment. No Colorspace where I can indicate sRGB.

As an aside, which may be important: In the Lr print module, lower left hand side, Print Settings--I always had Color Matching set to "Epson Color Controls". The tech from Adobe, when playing around, set this to "Color Sync". That changed the photo from Yellowish/Greenish to an orange tint. The problem is, this is now greyed out, and I do not know how to switch between the "Color Sync" and "Epson Color Control", so I can
t see if this wil effect the color of the print. I hope this makes some sense.
Steve
Thanks. br OK. I exported a JPEG to my desktop in ... (show quote)


All that makes sense, enough. I may have a different LR version, therefore the different options. When I changed from printing to a JPEG file and instead to the printer in the Print Module, the color options changed. That's one explanation of differences. When printing to the printer, now I can let the printer manage the color or I can select any of several 'other' options, including some of my saved monitor calibration profiles.

You might post and store a JPEG that seems 'correct' on your calibrated monitor but prints too orange. We may see something with different eyes / monitors than you can see locally.

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Feb 17, 2022 14:02:52   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
All that makes sense, enough. I may have a different LR version, therefore the different options. When I changed from printing to a JPEG file and instead to the printer in the Print Module, the color options changed. That's one explanation of differences. When printing to the printer, now I can let the printer manage the color or I can select any of several 'other' options, including some of my saved monitor calibration profiles.

You might post and store a JPEG that seems 'correct' on your calibrated monitor but prints too orange. We may see something with different eyes / monitors than you can see locally.
All that makes sense, enough. I may have a differe... (show quote)


Thanks for listening and helpingI I am running the latest version of Lr Classic.
Here is a photo (of my grandson) in which the colors look ok on my monitotr.


(Download)

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Feb 17, 2022 16:16:57   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
StevenG wrote:
Up until recently my Epson 3880 has been nearly sopt on in reproducing the colors as they appear on scren. Suddenly, out of the blue, the printed photos had a slight yellowish/greenish tint, most noticeable in skin tones. I tried everything--Nozzle check, clean print heads, Power cleaning. I even changed out the ink caartridges that were a few months out of date. Nothing helped. I called Epson and explained everything the the tech. He had me delete the printer and driver, synch the driver up to the latest version of my Mac operating system and reinstall the driver. Still no change in the color tint. I then printed from Preview and Ps. This eliminated the Yellowish/Greenish tint, but produced a mor orange tint in skin tones. His conclusion was that this is a Lightroom problem.

So, next I called Adobe. After getting disconnected twice I finally got a very patient technician. Although I'm not sure how knowledgable he is. He told me that when Apple updates the operating system, or when Adobe updates programs, there have been other complaints like mine, where Ps or Lr do not print with accurate colors. He said this is definately an Adobe problem, not an Epson problem. He sent me a bunch of useless articles. Anyway, he finally took control of my screen, played around with the print setting in Lr and with the drop down menus you get when you print from Lr. This was really trial and error. He had no actual plan. The end result is that the Yellowish/greenish tint is gone, but the skin tones are now to orange, just as they were when the Epson tech had me print from Ps. This is much more acceptable, but still problematic.

Has anyone had a problem similar to this? Thoughts? If neither Epson nor Adobe were able to fix the problem, I am out of ideas.

Thanks.
Steve
Up until recently my Epson 3880 has been nearly so... (show quote)


If you have not profiled (some call it calibrated, which is different and requires different tools and software) your display or your printer with the paper and ink you use, you are working blind. If you want to get close to accurate color - profile your display and use the Epson printer driver with Epson ink and paper. If you want to nail the color, then profile the printer/ink/paper. You can get away with using premium, non-Epson paper and their corresponding ICC profile - which is often available from the paper mfgr. Use the printer/paper/ink profile to view your image as a soft proof on a profiled display. Do NOT embed the profile in the image file - or you will get double profiles and the result will be a lot worse than you are getting now.

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Feb 17, 2022 16:24:54   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
StevenG wrote:
Thanks for listening and helpingI I am running the latest version of Lr Classic.
Here is a photo (of my grandson) in which the colors look ok on my monitotr.


It's a great shot

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Feb 17, 2022 16:28:02   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Gene51 wrote:
If you have not profiled (some call it calibrated, which is different and requires different tools and software) your display or your printer with the paper and ink you use, you are working blind. If you want to get close to accurate color - profile your display and use the Epson printer driver with Epson ink and paper. If you want to nail the color, then profile the printer/ink/paper. You can get away with using premium, non-Epson paper and their corresponding ICC profile - which is often available from the paper mfgr. Use the printer/paper/ink profile to view your image as a soft proof on a profiled display. Do NOT embed the profile in the image file - or you will get double profiles and the result will be a lot worse than you are getting now.
If you have not profiled (some call it calibrated,... (show quote)


Gene, I calibrate my monitor regularly and use Epson paper with the Epson ICC profile. This problem occurred out of the blue. It was printing perfectly and then it was not. I’ve had color problems over the years, but they always cleared up with nozzle checks and head cleaning. Not this time. Epson and Adobe agree this is a Lr (Adobe) problem.

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