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Feb 2, 2022 07:29:02   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Red Farmer wrote:
I find them useful when shooting flowers . I can trigger a off camera flash optically held off to the side one way or another. I also use it with my Canon 100 to 400 for close up flowers at low setting. No need to drag controller with.


Very useful as a "Master" when used to trigger strategically placed off-camera flashes.

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Feb 2, 2022 07:30:50   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Seems like new camera bodies with a built in flash are becoming a thing of the past, especially in the upper performance level bodies. While I realize that I can always add a hot shoe flash and the ability of a built in one is limited when compared to what can be done with the add on and/or use of slaves, I still think a built in flash is a nice feature to have available. Frankly, if I know I'm going to be doing flash photography, I will indeed use my speedlight setup, but I really don't carry it along regularly and the use of the built in flash has saved my butt a number of times. This is especially true when I simply need a fill flash to expose the subject rather than the background and I've even been rather successful using the built in flash for some low key photography of flowers, etc. Anyway, a built in flash is far from useless in my opinion and since the manufacturers seem to be moving away from them as an option, I was wondering how others out there might feel about them. Good luck and good shooting to all.
Seems like new camera bodies with a built in flash... (show quote)


You're correct!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Feb 2, 2022 08:04:36   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
I prefer to attach a more powerful flash. I rarely use the pop-up flash on my D750, and I like the added weather proofing on my D780.

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Feb 2, 2022 08:24:38   #
LittleBit Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Seems like new camera bodies with a built in flash are becoming a thing of the past, especially in the upper performance level bodies. While I realize that I can always add a hot shoe flash and the ability of a built in one is limited when compared to what can be done with the add on and/or use of slaves, I still think a built in flash is a nice feature to have available. Frankly, if I know I'm going to be doing flash photography, I will indeed use my speedlight setup, but I really don't carry it along regularly and the use of the built in flash has saved my butt a number of times. This is especially true when I simply need a fill flash to expose the subject rather than the background and I've even been rather successful using the built in flash for some low key photography of flowers, etc. Anyway, a built in flash is far from useless in my opinion and since the manufacturers seem to be moving away from them as an option, I was wondering how others out there might feel about them. Good luck and good shooting to all.
Seems like new camera bodies with a built in flash... (show quote)


For me, a built in flash and EV are requirement.

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Feb 2, 2022 08:24:58   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
If I did a LOT of indoor shooting I would definitely have a flash I could use off camera. But I don't. Even outdoors the on camera flash can be great for bringing out the best in a black dog or black cat. and especially for backlit subjects. Just don't overkill the subject with too much flash.

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Feb 2, 2022 08:25:02   #
Tstplt Loc: Northwest Arkansas
 
I have two Nikons, a D750 and a D7100 that I use as a Deputy Coroner and Death Scene Investigator. The pop ups give me good coverage and angle for close ups within five feet. My case also contains a hot shoe mounted flash that gives wider coverage and better distance coverage. Ring lights are great for some work, but the extra components get in the way, and you don't ever want any of your camera equipment to fall into the subjects.

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Feb 2, 2022 08:38:16   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Yes, I use a built-in to take photos of flowers during the day. Doing so allows fast speed that stops motion if there is a breeze, illuminates the subject flowers. Without the flash, the camera is set to underexpose the photo if taken with just sunlight; low ISO, tight lens, fast shutter. These conditions with the flash [remember inverse sq law] underexpose any junk that may be in the background and correctly illuminate the flowers.

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Feb 2, 2022 08:46:06   #
keywest305 Loc: Baltimore Md.
 
I bought a couple Nikon sb-400 flashes which are small and if needed can be added. My sb-700 and 910 are added if im doing flash photography but if running out the door depending on sunlight i always grab the 400....one never knows

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Feb 2, 2022 09:11:20   #
Bison Bud
 
Wow, quite a bit of activity here since I posted yesterday morning! I think there are a several good reasons mentioned here as to why a built in flash is seldom available in current upper end bodies. The first statement is that professionals probably won't use a built in anyway and I agree with that statement. However, many of us advanced hobbyists like to travel as light as possible and seldom use a flash, but there are times that we need one. This makes a built in a very desirable option even with it's limitations. As stated previously, if I know I'm going to be doing flash photography, I will take and use my speedlight setup, but having the built in flash in the field has saved my bacon more than once and I've learned to use it pretty effectively!

The second statement that makes sense to me is that it may be more difficult to weatherproof the body with the pop up flash assembly. While this is probably true, there are bodies with weather seals that do indeed have a built in flash assembly. Case in point, is my Pentax K3 and when I bought it used, I picked the K3 over the more current K3 II primarily because it did have the built in flash and the K3 II did not. While I don't think that I would base my entire decision on a more current upgrade primarily on this issue, it would indeed help to influence my decision as it did with the K3. Anyway, weather sealing may indeed be more difficult and therefore more costly with a pop up flash, so I guess it makes sense that the manufacturers are moving away from them on weather sealed bodies.

Another point that was made was that it takes up space that could be used for other features inside the camera body. While this is probably true, I don't see this as a big issue. Yes, it does require additional circuitry and a somewhat large capacitor, but I don't think any of my camera bodies with built in flash are any bigger than similar ones without it. I guess the manufacturer does have to squeeze more inside, but I don't know of anything I am actually giving up instead.

All in all, I think my original statement that a built in flash can be a useful and desirable option stands for many of us out there, but I doubt that a built in flash is going to be an available option in much, if any, serious equipment going forward. I for one wish this wasn't the direction we seem to be headed and wonder how many of us out there would be more inclined to buy a similar body if it did indeed have a built in flash? Good luck and good shooting to all.

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Feb 2, 2022 09:14:29   #
ELNikkor
 
The built-in flash and articulating screen are two big reasons I chose the D750 when moving to FX, and one big reason for NOT wanting any other, (even mirrorless!) camera, if it is not included. I keep it defaulted at -1 f-stop as I use it mainly for fill when ambient light just doesn't cut it, or too strong of other lighting puts strong shadows on the subject. No, I don't use it much, but when i need it, it is there!

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Feb 2, 2022 09:28:10   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Seems like new camera bodies with a built in flash are becoming a thing of the past, especially in the upper performance level bodies. While I realize that I can always add a hot shoe flash and the ability of a built in one is limited when compared to what can be done with the add on and/or use of slaves, I still think a built in flash is a nice feature to have available. Frankly, if I know I'm going to be doing flash photography, I will indeed use my speedlight setup, but I really don't carry it along regularly and the use of the built in flash has saved my butt a number of times. This is especially true when I simply need a fill flash to expose the subject rather than the background and I've even been rather successful using the built in flash for some low key photography of flowers, etc. Anyway, a built in flash is far from useless in my opinion and since the manufacturers seem to be moving away from them as an option, I was wondering how others out there might feel about them. Good luck and good shooting to all.
Seems like new camera bodies with a built in flash... (show quote)


I do not care for Red Eye, bad shadows on walls behind the subject and bad frontal flash lighting.
I do it much better with a attached and off camera flash.
The only camera I have with a flash attached is my little Sony HX99, and I only use it because when I travel I like to travel as light as possible.
I am very happy Nikon has chosen to take that little devil off most of it's camera line.
For those who like the convenience on a on board flash, I salute you all.

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Feb 2, 2022 09:28:44   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Jimmy T wrote:
Very useful as a "Master" when used to trigger strategically placed off-camera flashes.


The pop-up flash is also very useful for close-up/macro work - especially when used with a diffuser of some sort. There are commercially available dedicated diffusers that slip over the camera or the lens for the pop-up flash.
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Feb 2, 2022 09:31:45   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:

My "mind's" auto-corrupt?
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Autocorruption is probably a more accurate term for what spellcheckers do. They automatically corrupt meanings!

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Feb 2, 2022 09:33:57   #
Peteso Loc: Blacks Hills
 
Only as a trigger for a strobe.

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Feb 2, 2022 09:42:26   #
alexol
 
It's sometimes nice to have a tiny amount of fill light, especially for eyes, when you are out and about

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