VERY lightweight set up for birding
Jan 26, 2022 07:03:27 #
I am a birder currently using the Panasonic G9 with the Leica 100-400 lens. It is a decent set up, and the weight is good(less than 5 lbs.) but I am unhappy with the amount of noise it produces and the quality of the images in general, probably due to its small sensor. I have about $3,000 to invest in a different camera and lens, suitable for birding, with good low-light capability, and great image quality. I don't care what manufacturer, but the set up cannot be any heavier than 5 lbs. total. Any suggestions on what to purchase? Thank you!
Jan 26, 2022 07:08:23 #
Deanie1113 wrote:
I am a birder currently using the Panasonic G9 wit... (show quote)
Try the Sony A7RIII, 42MP sensor in a fairly light-weight body (mirrorless). I deferred buying the 61MP sensor RIV; it just cost too much. 42MP is enough for what I shoot and much more affordable.
Jan 26, 2022 07:23:52 #
For around $1500 you could have a Canon 7DII with a Canon 800mm f11; combined weight 4lb 9oz. That would bring in those little birds, but might feel stifled by the small aperture and no zoom. Not easy to get 35mm sensor camera with a big zoom under 5 lbs. There might be other ways you can use the system you already have if all you need to do is get around the noise problem. Check out what others have done with the micro 4/3 systems, also, the post-processing denoise programs such as Topaz offers are highly recommended and worth a try, before going to such drastic measures as changing a whole photo system. Keep us posted, and maybe post a photo that disappoints you because of its noise. Some of the geniuses on this site can do wonders with sub-par photos, making them works of art.
Jan 26, 2022 07:30:58 #
If you need really light you might consider the Fuji X-T4 with the 70-300 mm lens and add the T/C. (It's my backup to the Canon R5 + 100-500 mm lens and T/C.) It about 3 # total.
I don't know of another system that you can add a T/C with the 70-300 mm lens. I use it for long hikes, when I will be fairly close in, when I want to do video or when space is limited. IQ is good, auto focus is good, decent battery life, easy to hold and handle. Cost is under what you want to spend.
I had the Canon 800 mm f11 lens. It had good IQ but was very long and unwieldy (although not heavy) especially in any wind and then you are limited to f11 and 800 mm or greater with T/C. It was not a good fit for me.
You might consider the Canon 600 f 11 and add a T/C later on. Lighter, shorter and cheaper than the 800 f ll lens. Still has the aperture limitation. You could pair it with the Canon R and be at budget.
I don't know of another system that you can add a T/C with the 70-300 mm lens. I use it for long hikes, when I will be fairly close in, when I want to do video or when space is limited. IQ is good, auto focus is good, decent battery life, easy to hold and handle. Cost is under what you want to spend.
I had the Canon 800 mm f11 lens. It had good IQ but was very long and unwieldy (although not heavy) especially in any wind and then you are limited to f11 and 800 mm or greater with T/C. It was not a good fit for me.
You might consider the Canon 600 f 11 and add a T/C later on. Lighter, shorter and cheaper than the 800 f ll lens. Still has the aperture limitation. You could pair it with the Canon R and be at budget.
Jan 26, 2022 07:33:17 #
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Jan 26, 2022 07:48:10 #
Deanie1113 wrote:
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Perhaps some posted photos depicting what you are concerned about might help.
When you look at GetOlympus' site (now OM Solutions) you will see quite a few very good pics of BIF. I would bet that Pany has the same thing. Jay Dickman, a widely acclaimed photog (as in Pulitzer) out of Colorado uses the m43. He seems to get by quite well.
Before spending a dime, make sure all technique is correct, settings, etc.
Jan 26, 2022 08:18:47 #
Deanie1113 wrote:
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You can save yourself $3000 by simply posting and storing some JPEGs and asking for free help.
Jan 26, 2022 08:27:26 #
Even if you were to limit your choice to 600mm you won't find a small FF (full frame) 600mm lens. APS-C won't be hugely better (400mm APS-C = 600mm FF equiv.), but the camera/lens combo will be smaller, lighter and cheaper than the full frame alternative. If you could settle for a prime and 600mm FF equiv., there is an m4/3 300mm prime which gives a constant f/4, which is more than a full stop brighter than your current lens at full reach.
Other than that, the G9 sounds like a good camera and any APS-C alternative will only be marginally better (at best). Suggestions to improve your shooting technique and post processing skills seem like a good idea.
Other than that, the G9 sounds like a good camera and any APS-C alternative will only be marginally better (at best). Suggestions to improve your shooting technique and post processing skills seem like a good idea.
Jan 26, 2022 08:35:21 #
Jan 26, 2022 08:37:42 #
Deanie1113 wrote:
Hello, I am having some trouble posting pics. Can someone give me good direction?
The file size needs to be less than ~22MB and in a suitable format (high quality jpg is the best option). And check the "Store Original" box.
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And just in case you're not doing it, use "Reply" under any post as opposed to "Quick Reply" at the bottom of the page.
Jan 26, 2022 08:39:04 #
I assume that you're shooting in RAW - if not, then switch to RAW.
Download trial versions of Topaz DeNoise AI and DxO Pure Raw (which I like better).
Before processing, run your RAW images through one of these and then process. That should improve your noise issue and avoid spending $$.
Download trial versions of Topaz DeNoise AI and DxO Pure Raw (which I like better).
Before processing, run your RAW images through one of these and then process. That should improve your noise issue and avoid spending $$.
Jan 26, 2022 08:51:32 #
Serious birding for optimal results still requires a tripod.
Weight should not be a consideration...not really.
Weight should not be a consideration...not really.
Jan 26, 2022 08:58:03 #
Deanie1113 wrote:
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I can HIGHLY recommend a Canon 80D/90D and the Canon 400mm f5.6 L prime with and without 1.4X II. Matches your cost/weight/quality parameters - is what I use ......happily ! Not sure, but the 80D may be better in lower light..... APSC is as small as you can get for quality work IMO. You will need a 600mm FF equivalent (400mm) to start and then a way to go beyond. For best quality you will want a PRIME lens and an excellent extender. Canon is the ONLY maker to provide an affordable/lighweight 400 prime !
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Jan 26, 2022 09:01:21 #
Deanie1113 wrote:
Hello, I am having some trouble posting pics. Can someone give me good direction?
Create a <reply>. That enables the <Choose File> button. Navigate to a JPEG that is 20MB or smaller. Select the image and <open>. Click the box 'store original' before clicking <Add Attachment>. The image should upload and display. Then press <send> to post the reply and embedded image attachment.
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