jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

I don't recall seeing a photo processing program that didn't use the term "AI." I just got an email from Movavi, and they are offering Picverse with AI. Given the choice, I wonder if buyers are more likely to select a program that says it has AI? I'm sure there are no strong laws regulating the use of that term. If the program makes a choice, as I think all programs do, then the maker could say it has intelligence.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

"AI" is such a great selling point, everyone wants AI,
well, mostly.....

Quixdraw Loc: x

Odd - Artificial as a selling point as opposed to Organic or Natural.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

AI is a misunderstood concept by the layman. People often assume that its purpose is to do everything automatically and takes control away from the individual user. As a result many people view AI in a very negative light.

While there is software like Luminar that does a lot of that, AI is so much more. For instance, algorithms in tools like DxO PhotoLab's DeepPrime NR use AI to apply varied amounts of noise reduction only to those specific parts of an image that need it. This allows DeepPrime to avoid loss of fine detail and that smooth plastic look of older noise reduction systems when they are overapplyed.

AI is a just process that can enhance the effectiveness of many tools. The fact that it also can be used to completely automate common tasks that may take away some user control is more controversial.

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

It’s like pixel count in camera sales. Why buy this 24mp camera when you can have this 47mp camera.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

AI is just the newest IT SW buzz word, just like adding .com to every business name 20 years ago, now every piece of SW will have AI added to it. We developed an actual AI development platform in the 80s when I was at Tektronix and a development language (Smalltalk) to run on it. It was a marketing failure

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Hip Coyote

Call it what you want, computer driven / adjusted / learning is here. And it is going to advance beyond our wildest dreams. After playing with my new iPhone 13 camera and doing post in Snapseed, I can foresee a dark future for traditional camera manufactures unless they catch up soon. AI will eventually allow a device to take better shots at high speed, interpolate (correct word?) data to make telephoto shots possible with smaller and smaller lenses, noise from high ISO will be all but eliminated due to AI. We all resist change. I get it. But it does not take Carnac the Magnificent to easily prognosticate that AI is here now and will change how we take photos.

Case in point, the attached shot was taken with an iPhone, in natural light, and edited in Snapseed. I cannot imagine another camera doing a whole lot better...not even the new Z9 Nikon that is the all the rage on this forum. Am I ready to give up my mirrorless and all the attending lenses? No. Do I see dark clouds for camera manufactures? Absolutely. The niche is small and getting smaller. In fact, some very well regarded - master photographers in my club, one who teaches photography and ps/lr, said that they now use their phone as an everyday camera and have scored well in competitions with photos taken with their phones.

time will tell.

Regards,

Rick

PS...this is for discussion purposes, not virtual fist fights!

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Wait until you set something up via manual settings and the camera says
"You don't want to do that Dave.".

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The better term, more honest and more accurately descriptive, tho I assume also unregulated, is “Machine Learning”.

Essentially, a program is controlling a device. The program is always receiving new input and its algorithms tell it what to do to best utilize the new input with regard to input already received and incorporated. That is “learning”.

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So I program a convenient custom button to reply “Don’t sweat it. Human is now in charge” ... or I return the camera to the vendor if there’s no such remedy.

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The device makes photographs. Photos are facsimiles, artifice, not reality. So “artificial” is the right choice.

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Yup. Common sense. If the only real difference is more pixels, well, more being more, go for more !

Acoarst if more pixels involves some problematic trade offs then thaz a different bucket of clams.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

"Dave, I'm detecting a problem in the custom button array..."

When it starts singing "Daisy, Daisy,..." real slow, you'll be okay.

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

Future cameras may not have manual settings.