Russia - Almost Funny: The whole world now knows that Russia is planning attacks against its own facilities in Ukraine in order to justify an invasion. Hitler did exactly the same...

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

The whole world now knows that Russia is planning attacks against its own facilities in Ukraine in order to justify an invasion. Hitler did exactly the same thing when he wanted to invade Poland. Does trickery still work when everyone knows how the trick is done?

Najataagihe

Yes.

anotherview Loc: California

I read that this maneuver constitutes a false f**g. Apparently, it serves as a deceptive pretext to prompt war. Now this pretext has received open attention by analysts who have examined it for its value as justifying war.

jerryc41 wrote:

The whole world now knows that Russia is planning attacks against its own facilities in Ukraine in order to justify an invasion. Hitler did exactly the same thing when he wanted to invade Poland. Does trickery still work when everyone knows how the trick is done?

RiJoRi Loc: Sandy Ridge, NC

jerryc41 wrote:

The whole world now knows that Russia is planning attacks against its own facilities in Ukraine in order to justify an invasion. Hitler did exactly the same thing when he wanted to invade Poland. Does trickery still work when everyone knows how the trick is done?

Well, if the "trickees" don't believe they are being tricked, sure. Just ask my friend, the Nigerian prince! Or was he the Minister of Finance? 🤔 Both?

As Terry Goodkind put it, "There are two reasons for why people believe a lie: they want it to be true, or they are afraid it is true."

--Rich

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

anotherview wrote:

I read that this maneuver constitutes a false f**g.

Yes. That tactic is so common that it has been given a name.

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

jerryc41 wrote:

The whole world now knows that Russia is planning attacks against its own facilities in Ukraine in order to justify an invasion. Hitler did exactly the same thing when he wanted to invade Poland. Does trickery still work when everyone knows how the trick is done?

No one is tricked. As you say, everyone knows how the trick is done.
But yes, it works.
The "trickery" simply gives those who know better, an excuse to look the other way and allow it to happen.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

David Martin wrote:

No one is tricked. As you say, everyone knows how the trick is done.
But yes, it works.
The "trickery" simply gives those who know better, an excuse to look the other way and allow it to happen.

Sad but true.

tcthome Loc: NJ

jerryc41 wrote:

The whole world now knows that Russia is planning attacks against its own facilities in Ukraine in order to justify an invasion. Hitler did exactly the same thing when he wanted to invade Poland. Does trickery still work when everyone knows how the trick is done?

I doubt they care what anyone thinks

Peterfiore Loc: Where DR goes south

tcthome wrote:

I doubt they care what anyone thinks

This too is true!

Doddy Loc: Barnard Castle-England

What I have learned is that Russia does not want Ukraine to join NATO and have weapons directly pointing at them. I suppose the western democracies would feel the same if a nation next to them allowed ' Warsaw pact' forces on their borders. Look at what happened when Cuba allowed Soviet missiles to be stationed there, we came close to having a Nuclear war!

dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii

Crimea, again.:-(

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

dlwhawaii wrote:

Crimea, again.:-(

Could only happen under the "Leadership" of Obama and Biden.

dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii

Racmanaz wrote:

Could only happen under the "Leadership" of Obama and Biden.

NOPE. Only under the steel fist of Pootin.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

dlwhawaii wrote:

NOPE. Only under the steel fist of Pootin.

Russia invaded Crimea during the Obama/Biden admin. Now Russia is positioned to make another move under Bidens watch.

idaholover Loc: Nampa ID

jerryc41 wrote:

The whole world now knows that Russia is planning attacks against its own facilities in Ukraine in order to justify an invasion. Hitler did exactly the same thing when he wanted to invade Poland. Does trickery still work when everyone knows how the trick is done?

Yes, it is alive and well in the DNC!