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Jan 12, 2022 16:00:49   #
tgreenhaw
 
I've seen mentions of Portrait Pro doing this. I opened the original in my copy of PPro and don't see controls that would remove that kind of blur. That said, PPro is magical for making people look more youthful with hours of retouching.

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Jan 12, 2022 16:12:58   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
sodapop wrote:
That means nothing. Lightroom is used to store and export. They could have been worked on with dozens of plugins. Lightroom is just the last stop.


These quick-fix apps are very helpful, especially in cases where restoration is not entirely problematic- a one-stop-shop and you have a reasonable fix. In some cases, the app will only save some of the initial work and is only a handy time-saver, however, many times the file needs to be returned to your regular software for tweaking or local corrections.

The apps that are intended for i-phones and android can be kept on your phone or better yet, a tablet with a larger screen. After the initial or preliminary is done, they upload to a PC or a Mac surprisingly well.

I also explain to the client that photo-restoration is actually IMAGE-restoration or reproduction. Unlike restoring valuable paintings, work done by expert artists and conservators, the work is not done on the original prints. The goal is to restore the image to a viewable and enjoyable condition so it can be displayed or placed in an album to show as true likeness of the subject as possible.

If the original print is very badly damaged, faded, or blurred, I will usually call in the client and show them my first attempt at copying with the original. If they are pleased with the likeness, I will go ahead with the project. This precludes the worst cases scenario where the client views meticulously crafted final print and exclaims with horror "Oh- "that does not look like Grandma"! I know I was successful when the client, with a samil on their face and a tear in the eye says, "that's my Grandma"! Well- grandpa, uncle Otto, Minny the Cat or whoever!

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Jan 12, 2022 16:46:45   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
I would also use Eastman Commercial film available in all cut sizes in three emulsions---blue sensitive, othochromatic, and panchromatic. I used the orthochromatic for B&W copy work. If the contrast was correct in the original it was identical in the copy film. It worked well on old postcards. I did many on the postcards by Pioneer Gallery of Iron River, WI. and could easily make good 11x14 with no further work or filters.----ew P.S--- the film was call Eastman Commercial---not just that it was for commercial purposes. One developed it with standard developers.
I would also use Eastman Commercial film available... (show quote)


Yup- Very familiar with those emulsions. Still have the datasheets but am out of stock of these long discontinued products. The copy film was rather magical when used correctly.

If anyone is interested you can click on the (downloaded) indicator and see the complete datasheet for the Kodak Copy Film.



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Jan 12, 2022 16:49:37   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Yup- Very familiar with those emulsions. Still have the datasheets but am out of stock of these long discontinued products. The copy film was rather magical when used correctly.

If anyone is interested you can click on the (downloaded) indicator and see the complete datasheet for the Kodak Copy Film.



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Jan 12, 2022 17:12:57   #
Dr.Nikon Loc: Honolulu Hawaii
 
sodapop wrote:
That means nothing. Lightroom is used to story and export. They could have been worked on with dozens of plugins. Lightroom is just the last stop.


Yep …., I know this .., ., and I love the fact that when I have used up to . 6 different photo programs on a single shot , usually a money shot for a . client and .., no one can track my steps except for the last which I stick it in .., do 1/10 of 1% .. and then it leaves the erroneous mark of the last photo editing program when it wasn’t really used ..

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Jan 12, 2022 17:19:57   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Rongnogno started a thread last year about Google imagery, https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-713741-1.html#12601779

There was some discussion on just how this was done and whether it was making up the image as it went along. Certainly there were things in the processed images that I could not see a hint of in the original.

So I downloaded remini and tried it out on a sample from the prior thread

It didn't do anything.



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Jan 12, 2022 17:40:25   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Back in photography school (college) I used to do all-nighters to catch up on paper and projects that were coming due. I was also working evenings and weekends shooting weddings for financial survival. Problem was, I used to fall asleep in psychology class and was probably semi-conscious in English, etc! The upshot was my grammar and spelling remain abominable to this day and for the life of me, I can not understand why folks around here are so suspicious and negative and need to accuse a perfectly sincere OP of deception, shenanigans and dishonesty. Why would do that is beyond me. My special check can remedy my grammatical shortcomings. The negativity just gives me a headache- also as bad as the snarkiness!

This simple cellphone kida technology is not purported to be space-age high technology- it's just fun and kinda cool and handy stuff. Anyone with a bit of imaging, ingenuity and a willingness to experience can integer it with more sophisticated manual software procedures. If you have doubts about a bit of stuff like this, just pick up your cellphone and download the FREE sample app, upload a fuzzy image, and see what it can or can't do. This is not rocket science or involved detective work. Took me all of 15 minutes!

What's next- Some of y'all telling the OP to have the original image carbon dated?

I still have my old textbook- gotta catch up on my reading!



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Jan 12, 2022 18:04:13   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Rongnogno started a thread last year about Google imagery, https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-713741-1.html#12601779

There was some discussion on just how this was done and whether it was making up the image as it went along. Certainly there were things in the processed images that I could not see a hint of in the original.

So I downloaded remini and tried it out on a sample from the prior thread

It didn't do anything.


I guess it works better on faces. My tryout was successful but the image was not severely out of focus. ????

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Jan 12, 2022 19:16:56   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
tgreenhaw wrote:
There is something weird going on here. I downloaded Remini and ran several blurry pictures through it and the results were not much better than the original. I ran the sample you had and duplicated the amazing results. Either the program works well with certain types of blur, or there is a smoke and mirrors demo somehow built into the program. Another possibility is that the Pro version is vastly better than the free version, although I duplicated the results with the free version.

You are correct though. Topaz can't get even close to your example, although with an hour of tweeking in Topaz and retouching in Photoshop, I think I could get similar results. I would have to manually add the catch light in the eyes and the braces on the teeth, which really isn't in the unprocessed input image. Here is what I get from Topaz with 2 minutes of fooling around with no additional editing.
There is something weird going on here. I download... (show quote)


Nice, wish I had your technique! Can you give me more details about how you did it.? PM if you like

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Jan 12, 2022 19:18:36   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Dr.Nikon wrote:
Yep …., I know this .., ., and I love the fact that when I have used up to . 6 different photo programs on a single shot , usually a money shot for a . client and .., no one can track my steps except for the last which I stick it in .., do 1/10 of 1% .. and then it leaves the erroneous mark of the last photo editing program when it wasn’t really used ..



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Jan 12, 2022 19:58:31   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
With an example, it makes more sense. I've seen this type of 'sharpening' from my Epson Scanner, but never so pronounced and successfully done. Having only scanned 35mm negatives, if this was an Espon result, it seems the larger image source delivered better results, possibly with further digital editing work against the file after scanning to a digital format.

Look at the 'shaping' of the noise and chin, shaping would be my term, rather than sharpening. I've seen exactly these added lines / details coming out of my Epson v600 scans, many times in the same areas.
With an example, it makes more sense. I've seen th... (show quote)


Look at the teeth. They are not the same. In the original photo there is a center tooth on the top for lack of a better word. On the clear photo that tooth is missing. Interesting very interesting

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Jan 12, 2022 20:01:54   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Back in photography school (college) I used to do all-nighters to catch up on paper and projects that were coming due. I was also working evenings and weekends shooting weddings for financial survival. Problem was, I used to fall asleep in psychology class and was probably semi-conscious in English, etc! The upshot was my grammar and spelling remain abominable to this day and for the life of me, I can not understand why folks around here are so suspicious and negative and need to accuse a perfectly sincere OP of deception, shenanigans and dishonesty. Why would do that is beyond me. My special check can remedy my grammatical shortcomings. The negativity just gives me a headache- also as bad as the snarkiness!

This simple cellphone kida technology is not purported to be space-age high technology- it's just fun and kinda cool and handy stuff. Anyone with a bit of imaging, ingenuity and a willingness to experience can integer it with more sophisticated manual software procedures. If you have doubts about a bit of stuff like this, just pick up your cellphone and download the FREE sample app, upload a fuzzy image, and see what it can or can't do. This is not rocket science or involved detective work. Took me all of 15 minutes!

What's next- Some of y'all telling the OP to have the original image carbon dated?

I still have my old textbook- gotta catch up on my reading!
Back in photography school (college) I used to do ... (show quote)


Love ya man. Excellent reply!!!! No snarky crap either from me. I mean it. You hit a home run with that one. I'm playing with Nvidia GauGan and canvas. Just for kicks because it's cool. Yes anything can be done nowadays even rank amateur folks like me can draw a masterpiece with the right software. Lol

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Jan 12, 2022 21:15:56   #
tgreenhaw
 
sodapop wrote:
Nice, wish I had your technique! Can you give me more details about how you did it.? PM if you like


You can easily get this result in minutes by buying Topaz Sharpen AI, but I think its just a starting point.

I would take what Topaz gave me and start isolating various element, e.g. the background, teeth eyes, etc. using the lasso and pen tools and then a combination of blur, paintbrush and retouching with the rubber stamp tool in Photoshop to restore lost details.

The real master is cahale - see what he did in 20 minutes on page 4. I've been using Photoshop for 30 years and he accomplished superior results in what would have taken me over an hour.



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Jan 13, 2022 00:22:56   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
I just used a program only available on Android/Iphone called ReMini. I installed an Android emulator called LDplayer, signed into my PlayStore account, downloaded ReMini and BAM! The result is actually better for this youth's face. I didn't bother with the rest of the photo as I figure you know how to take care of that.

I subscribe to PixEmperfect via YouTube and remembered this little ditty; decided to try it out now that we have better emulation on Windows for Android environments and it was a success.

Now, it is just our little secret! (Swishes cape and disappears into the shadows...)

P.S. I used your blurry example.

Additional comment:
I didn't go whole hog on this photo trying to edit it. I just ran it through the ReMini program and uploaded the file it produced. I did not do one thing TO this file. I can definitely say that it can go a long way to salvaging older photos, and with a little work, retouchers' alike will be able to do some skin smoothing, toning, additional enhancement to really "bring back" photos.

Cheers!


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Jan 13, 2022 08:31:30   #
tgreenhaw
 
cahale - any tips on technique would be most welcome :-)



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