mwalsh Loc: Houston

LoL

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

If you believe that it proves the insanity of libs.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Obviously you are not educated on anything but CNN propaganda.
I guess trying to explain to you anything would be harder than getting my cats to understand physics.
Your complete ignorance is becoming more and more apparent.

scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.

Well it looks as though your summation of the 'the sky is falling' group here was correct. You can provide the facts but some (liberals) will argue to their death bed that they know better.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

When ever a link is provided some lib then claims that the link is invalid because it is not part of the f**e news cabal of losers.
So it is a waste of time especially when what I am posting is widely known by all thinking Americans.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Po chil, that is what you get for lying so often. You waste our time by posting your stories. Most of your stories come from far right sites that are famous for exaggerating the t***h or disregarding it entirely.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

You left out the stuff that caricature character just makes up...


Most of us on the right are not particularly proud of the feverish stuff the character posts.

rwoodvira

The real tragedy here is the misinformation BS that guys like you push and influence the many who believe it.

Let's take a couple of your completely erroneous statements:

Masks don't work. No mask is completely safe, but it does stop the spread of particles. The largest study was made by Stanford and Yale in the country of Bangladesh with roughly 350,000 participants showed that masks were effective:
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-c****-**.html

On Hydroxychloroquine - bothe CDC and National Institute of Health advised it was no good. Here's one of the articles:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-c****-**

Yet the former I***t-in-Chief, as opposed the current I***t-in-Chief,, had the government stockpile 63,000,000 doses of the drug.

I'm not bothering to site the others but I really wish you would stop.

This misinformation is k*****g people.

InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA

Masks may work a bit in theory, but in practice they just don't work. States with the most restrictive mask mandates are still getting just as sick as those that don't. Look at California and Hawaii.

Your mask study looked at an 8 week period in widely spread communities in Bangladesh where population density is high, but travel is limited. At any one time in the US we see C****a in some states waning and in some surging. It would be safe to assume an 8 week study in a country with limited travel is too short for valid data. Like most studies, the conclusion was decided before the data was collected and analyzed.

Surgical masks may stop a symptomatic person from spreading C****a by stopping snot and phlegm, but masks aren't worn properly and changed often enough. Aerosol v***s particles can pass through a surgical mask like sand through a chain link fence. You should use about 6 to 10 masks a day and every time you touch your mask you should wash your hands or use hand sanitizer.

Good N95 masks are only made to filter incoming air, the wearer's exhale lifts the mask and exhaled air bypasses the filtration. I know, I wear one 8 to 12 hours a day at work. When I go from a conditioned space to the plant floor my glasses immediately fog up. Why? Because my exhale pops open the mask on my cheeks under my eyes. N95 masks also hold moisture and become more restrictive as the cloth becomes saturated with humidity.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

Your information is spot-on!

I've seen dozens of the mask studies both before and after C***d. Most of the ones before C***d openly admitted that masks should not be worn by healthy people in public, specifically in regard to upper respiratory v***ses. Here is just one example, published by the Journal of the American Medical Association, and I quote:

"Face masks should not be worn by healthy individuals to protect themselves from acquiring respiratory infection because there is no evidence to suggest that face masks worn by healthy individuals are effective in preventing people from becoming ill."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762694?fbclid=IwAR3fI10GKsPfg16ths4EKE6od7JrZT15U_CJ-OQJo96fMTbZWxuQDc_NGuU

There have been dozens of experiments done in laboratories that have shown a very modest effect of masks against the C****av***s, but these are only under ideal conditions. In real World conditions where the average person does not have a tight-fitting mask, there is not one shred of evidence that it stops the spread of the v***s. All you have to do is look at any graph showing number of C***d cases from around the World and look at the point where a public mask mandate was enacted, and you will see no drop in cases at all. I have yet to see a single graph where the trendline changes at all due to a mask mandate. In fact you will generally see the opposite - a steep rise in cases. Here is a website I had bookmarked from a while ago that shows the plotting of such statistics. I'm sure there are more recent ones.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-c***d/

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

When I was fitted for an N95 at work they put a hood over me and introduced banana oil, and I couldn't smell it.
"there will be less than 500 deaths from c***d **" I'm trying to remember who posted that.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

This vid is long but it does demonstrate to a degree the effectiveness of the N95 surgical masks. Then again, I hardly see anyone out and about wearing one of these. We get the blue (don't do diddly) masks at work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmC0h819OV8

Of course, just as notable is the fact that she can draw in the vape through most of these masks.

rwoodvira

[quote=Steven Seward]Your information is spot-on!

"I've seen dozens of the mask studies both before and after C***d. Most of the ones before C***d openly admitted that masks should not be worn by healthy people in public, specifically in regard to upper respiratory v***ses. Here is just one example, published by the Journal of the American Medical Association"

Its interesting how you pick and chose your studies - here are two studies that were made after these, the first from the National Academy of Science, the second from a more recent issue of JAMA:

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

But more profound was this in response after publication:

Why the Struggle? Scott Mendelson, MD, PhD | University of Illinois

It is astonishing the degree to which some fight, tooth and nail, against the simple wearing of a mask. You would think they are being required to sacrifice a body part. Unlike in mathematics, nothing can be proved in medical science. There are only weak or strong indications. There is now substantial data showing that masking can slow the spread of c***d. The better the mask, the better the effect. Why the fight? It's not reasonable, it is political--though for life of me I can't understand even the political motivation. The necessity and value of using a protective method varies with the degree of danger we face and the protection it can offer versus the damage that method can cause. If one was told that removal of their left thumb might help slow the spread of the common cold, it would be stupid to agree to thumb removal. However, if told that a harmless mask might help slow the spread of a v***s that has k**led hundreds of thousands in our country and devastated our hospitals, it would be foolish not to wear one.

If any of you wonder how it got this bad I would suggest you read The Premonition which shows political incompetence by both Democrats and Republicans, particularly Trump.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

[quote=rwoodvira]

I doubt that Seward will respond. He usually waits and then starts a new round of lies.

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

[quote=rwoodvira]
By the way, neither of your links is to an actual "study" or "experiment" on masking, as my link was not either (I probably shouldn't have used the word "study"). They are basically discussions about other studies and experiments and are meant to inform people of the proper use and effectiveness of masks. I noticed a large section of your first link was dev**ed to the use of computer modeling with which to determine the efficacy of masks, which I don't find very robust scientifically. They also cite a couple of studies that I've read before that were nearly useless - one of them done early in the p******c claiming a 2% reduction in C***d infections by certain parts of U.S. States that had mask mandates. Shortly after the study was published, the mask mandated places cited in the studies experienced skyrocketing infections.

Like I said in my comments before, it almost doesn't even matter what results a controlled mask experiment will produce (and I've seen the ones who've claimed the most effectiveness at only about 10 - 20% max) when you look at real-world mask mandates, not a single one has had any measurable effect on infections.

Pick any country or state in the World and search out a graph of its C***d cases. Then find out when they instituted a mask mandate for their citizens and look for that date on the graph. You will not find a graph trend that is affected in any significant way by the mask mandate. Usually you will find a skyrocketing increase in cases after the mandate has been enacted. As a demonstration I did this with the country of Israel, knowing that they have an unusually high compliance rate in fighting C***d. Try this your self and show me where the mandate has made any difference.