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Nov 26, 2021 22:22:24   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
The only good ID photo I ever had was on my first passport. I lighted myself, took the photo with a remote, developed and printed out the result. Current stuff is awful. The advantage, I suppose as was mentioned, very minor changes in appearance would render me unrecognizable if the photo was used to try and locate me.

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Nov 26, 2021 23:49:58   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
The photo on my license is extremely over-exposed, I look like I'm a glowing, bright yellow ghost. Really terrible.

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Nov 27, 2021 00:46:17   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Ages ago, when I started out in professional portraiture, folks used to come to PORTRAIT studios for ID photographers of many kinds. There were different specifications for passports photos, driver license shots, pictures for visas, immigration, firearms permits, citizenship applications, various job applications, press passes, all kinds of stuff. We treated them, within reason and specifications, like mini-portraits, decent lighting, sometimes a bit of light retouching if permitted, good posing and camera position and nice expression, etc. Customers liked them- many of them ordered extra copies or make appointments for a real portrait session.

For the most part, all of that is gone. License bureaus and government agencies are using automatic imaging devices with on-camera flash lighting, operated by clerical staff. You sit in a chair or stand in a line, the machine makes your "mug-shot and it's all over. You may as well place your face in a copying machine! Even if some government departments allow folks to go their photograher, the specs are such that they might as well be "mug shots"!

The image on my Ontario Drivers Permits looks like the Devil and one on my Medicare Card looks like I am already dead. When I show these cards as "picture ID" folks ask if THAT is really me!

What irks me, is I used to pay my studio rent and cover other basic business expenses with ID photography. Sure, I did custom portraiture, corporate work, and commercial photography, but average folks who don't usually come in for those services came in and became return clients.

This is one area of retail photography where photographers have been replaced by machines. SAD!

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Nov 27, 2021 05:02:15   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
In the UK you can send in a photo for your licence and your passport. Most people use photo booths, but the trouble is that when you're sitting in one of those waiting for the thing to take the pictures you can start to feel a bit silly or just plain awkward. Throw in a bit of shadowy lighting and it's easy to end up looking like a gorilla with toothache (and that's just the women ). I've never been to a professional portrait photographer but I can guess that one of their skills is getting the customer to look a bit more pleasant to behold. I imagine it's the same photographing models. I can imagine that being far more important than the technical quality of the shots.

Perhaps they could do something to make those booths a bit less impersonal. Maybe pictures of smiling faces on the side of the booth just out of shot might help.

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Nov 27, 2021 05:40:42   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
Got my Texas DL license renewal card last year. Also, black & white. Makes me look like I have at least twice the amount of beard than in real life. If I was a cop I don’t if it would really look like me.

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Nov 27, 2021 07:15:43   #
Grey Ghost
 
srt101fan wrote:
Most ID photos I’ve seen are not kind to the subject. Many are downright terrible. There are probably many reasons for this. Leads me to some inconsequential cogitations:

1 - The Subject. No, I don’t expect my driver’s license picture to look like a Yousuf Karsh portrait. But does it have to look like the mug shots hanging on the Post Office walls in olden days? Clearly some people are more photogenic than others. What does that really mean? That some folks are better looking? There’s got to be more than that.

2 – Equipment. No, I don’t expect the Dept of Motor Vehicles to have a studio setup like Yousuf Karsh’s. But in this high tech world can’t they take better pictures at the DMV, the police station, Costco, ...?

3 – Facial Expression. Folks in ID photos often look scared or just plain out of it. Maybe understandable for a police mug shot, but a driver’s license? OK, you portraitists, what is your secret to get people loosened up, relaxed, comfortable and ready to show the world how good-looking and friendly they are?

Maybe the agencies taking our ID shots should give us the opportunity to post-process the image files!?... Naw, we would probably be unrecognizable.

What say you?
Most ID photos I’ve seen are not kind to the subje... (show quote)

Duuh. Who cares! It’s only a DMV photo!!

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Nov 27, 2021 07:21:22   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
srt101fan wrote:
Most ID photos I’ve seen are not kind to the subject. Many are downright terrible. There are probably many reasons for this. Leads me to some inconsequential cogitations:

1 - The Subject. No, I don’t expect my driver’s license picture to look like a Yousuf Karsh portrait. But does it have to look like the mug shots hanging on the Post Office walls in olden days? Clearly some people are more photogenic than others. What does that really mean? That some folks are better looking? There’s got to be more than that.

2 – Equipment. No, I don’t expect the Dept of Motor Vehicles to have a studio setup like Yousuf Karsh’s. But in this high tech world can’t they take better pictures at the DMV, the police station, Costco, ...?

3 – Facial Expression. Folks in ID photos often look scared or just plain out of it. Maybe understandable for a police mug shot, but a driver’s license? OK, you portraitists, what is your secret to get people loosened up, relaxed, comfortable and ready to show the world how good-looking and friendly they are?

Maybe the agencies taking our ID shots should give us the opportunity to post-process the image files!?... Naw, we would probably be unrecognizable.

What say you?
Most ID photos I’ve seen are not kind to the subje... (show quote)


DMV, Costco and Walgreens (for a passport photo) all showed me the photo before using it. All were willing to re-take if I requested.

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Nov 27, 2021 07:29:41   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
srt101 you have educated me, thank you ... Karsh was a Master Photographer of the 20th century.
https://karsh.org/overview/portraits/#thumbnails

Warning to all, check your expiration date... easy to forget that your license is not forever.

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Nov 27, 2021 07:32:04   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
srt101fan wrote:
Most ID photos I’ve seen are not kind to the subject. Many are downright terrible. There are probably many reasons for this. Leads me to some inconsequential cogitations:

1 - The Subject. No, I don’t expect my driver’s license picture to look like a Yousuf Karsh portrait. But does it have to look like the mug shots hanging on the Post Office walls in olden days? Clearly some people are more photogenic than others. What does that really mean? That some folks are better looking? There’s got to be more than that.

2 – Equipment. No, I don’t expect the Dept of Motor Vehicles to have a studio setup like Yousuf Karsh’s. But in this high tech world can’t they take better pictures at the DMV, the police station, Costco, ...?

3 – Facial Expression. Folks in ID photos often look scared or just plain out of it. Maybe understandable for a police mug shot, but a driver’s license? OK, you portraitists, what is your secret to get people loosened up, relaxed, comfortable and ready to show the world how good-looking and friendly they are?

Maybe the agencies taking our ID shots should give us the opportunity to post-process the image files!?... Naw, we would probably be unrecognizable.

What say you?
Most ID photos I’ve seen are not kind to the subje... (show quote)


First look to the usual suspects who work for a government agency, there you will find your answer.

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Nov 27, 2021 07:51:53   #
LittleBit Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
srt101fan wrote:
Most ID photos I’ve seen are not kind to the subject. Many are downright terrible. There are probably many reasons for this. Leads me to some inconsequential cogitations:

1 - The Subject. No, I don’t expect my driver’s license picture to look like a Yousuf Karsh portrait. But does it have to look like the mug shots hanging on the Post Office walls in olden days? Clearly some people are more photogenic than others. What does that really mean? That some folks are better looking? There’s got to be more than that.

2 – Equipment. No, I don’t expect the Dept of Motor Vehicles to have a studio setup like Yousuf Karsh’s. But in this high tech world can’t they take better pictures at the DMV, the police station, Costco, ...?

3 – Facial Expression. Folks in ID photos often look scared or just plain out of it. Maybe understandable for a police mug shot, but a driver’s license? OK, you portraitists, what is your secret to get people loosened up, relaxed, comfortable and ready to show the world how good-looking and friendly they are?

Maybe the agencies taking our ID shots should give us the opportunity to post-process the image files!?... Naw, we would probably be unrecognizable.

What say you?
Most ID photos I’ve seen are not kind to the subje... (show quote)


Mine came out so dark you can hardly see me. I thought it was so poor in quality that they would have retaken it. But they let stand as is.

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Nov 27, 2021 07:57:50   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Longshadow wrote:
Most DL shots look that way.
PA does ask if it is okay before they use it. They'll re-take it, but I have no idea of how many times.

Just try not to look like the cat that ate the canary.



Also one might want to dress decently (waist up?) and comb their hair and women might try putting a bit of makeup on like they were going out.

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Nov 27, 2021 08:54:50   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Some years back when I was getting a new racing license, they were using the new Kodak portrait camera. The picture of me was so good, I asked for 8x10 glossies! So I guess getting good DL licenses is possible. They just choose not to.

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Nov 27, 2021 08:55:12   #
Chan Garrett
 
We should all recognize that the problem with such photos is that they are taken with "straight on" lighting from a very small light source. Thus the washed out, harsh result. We need to think about that before we decide to light a subject with the small light source "pop up" flash on most cameras.

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Nov 27, 2021 08:56:42   #
Stash Loc: South Central Massachusetts
 
Where I'm from they give you the chance to re-take the photo if you don't like the first one. If the second turns out worse than the first you are out of luck.

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Nov 27, 2021 09:34:15   #
Michael1079 Loc: Indiana
 
srt101fan wrote:


Maybe the agencies taking our ID shots should give us the opportunity to post-process the image files!?... Naw, we would probably be unrecognizable.

What say you?


I've read that the images are used in a facial recognition software database. For that reason your features need to be oriented in a certain way, which maybe why most people look confused, concerned, or mad as h*ll when the person at the BMV has them tilt their head this way or that and then snaps the pic?

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