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Nov 10, 2021 09:24:34   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Bidens plan tp award 450 grand to kids seperated from parents at the border is insane. They should not be made wealthy for their problems.They will get plenty of free stuff from the gov't. But we are a wealthy country and they should not be punished for their problems. And 450 will only incentivise more child smuggling. They deserve some kind of support. 50,000 seems like a fair amount. If properly asministered that should be enough

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Nov 10, 2021 09:40:52   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
boberic wrote:
Bidens plan tp award 450 grand to kids seperated from parents at the border is insane. They should not be made wealthy for their problems.They will get plenty of free stuff from the gov't. But we are a wealthy country and they should not be punished for their problems. And 450 will only incentivise more child smuggling. They deserve some kind of support. 50,000 seems like a fair amount. If properly asministered that should be enough


They came to America illegally. Why should they be given anything? They were separated from their children temporarily. Anyone arrested is separated from children. What is the big deal? Why do we continue to be the dumbest country on the planet when it comes to immigration?

Dennis

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Nov 10, 2021 09:43:07   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
I disagree. $450,000 is ridiculous as is $50.000. These people involved in illegal entry into the US should be handled for what it is. Deportation to wherever they came from. We have too many kids in this county that need a home to come home to, and a meal to grow with, and an education to succeed with in life. These politicians only think in terms of how can I buy more v**es in my next e******ns, and not in how we can better serve our Nation.

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Nov 10, 2021 09:45:39   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
boberic wrote:
Bidens plan tp award 450 grand to kids seperated from parents at the border is insane. They should not be made wealthy for their problems.They will get plenty of free stuff from the gov't. But we are a wealthy country and they should not be punished for their problems. And 450 will only incentivise more child smuggling. They deserve some kind of support. 50,000 seems like a fair amount. If properly asministered that should be enough


Fine. You write the check. I worked for my money and I am damn tired of seeing it frittered away.

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Nov 10, 2021 09:47:05   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
Leon S wrote:
I disagree. $450,000 is ridiculous as is $50.000. These people involved in illegal entry into the US should be handled for what it is. Deportation to wherever they came from is the answer. We have too many kids in this county that need a home to come home to, and a meal to grow with, and an education to succeed with in life. These politicians pushing this insane idea are only thinking in terms of how can they buy more v**es in their next e******ns, and not in how can we better serve our Nation.
I disagree. $450,000 is ridiculous as is $50.000.... (show quote)

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Nov 10, 2021 09:59:12   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
In the best of worlds they should get nothing. But we don't live in that world. We should, of course close the border. End of problem. Expell ALL i******s. But untill that happens no one over 18 deserves a dime.But kids should be helped.

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Nov 10, 2021 10:11:22   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158


Why is it so hard fir some to accept what law says ?

They were not illegal !

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Nov 10, 2021 10:22:00   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158


Why is it so hard fir some to accept what law says ?

They were not illegal !
b Any alien who is physically present in the Uni... (show quote)


Right up until those i*****l a***ns APPLY for asylum status they are STILL I*****L A***NS and have broken American law by even being in this country. The very minute anyone crosses into America without permission is against the present I*********n L*w. Why is it so hard FOR you to accept what that part of the I*********n L*w states?

Check out THIS I*********n L*w:


8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
U.S. Code
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(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the i*********n l*ws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the i*********n l*ws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, § 275, 66 Stat. 229; Pub. L. 99–639, § 2(d), Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3542; Pub. L. 101–649, title I, § 121(b)(3), title V, § 543(b)(2), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4994, 5059; Pub. L. 102–232, title III, § 306(c)(3), Dec. 12, 1991, 105 Stat. 1752; Pub. L. 104–208, div. C, title I, § 105(a), Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat. 3009–556.)

Dennis

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Nov 10, 2021 12:03:45   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Right up until those i*****l a***ns APPLY for asylum status they are STILL I*****L A***NS and have broken American law by even being in this country. The very minute anyone crosses into America without permission is against the present I*********n L*w. Why is it so hard FOR you to accept what that part of the I*********n L*w states?

Check out THIS I*********n L*w:


8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
U.S. Code
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(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the i*********n l*ws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the i*********n l*ws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, § 275, 66 Stat. 229; Pub. L. 99–639, § 2(d), Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3542; Pub. L. 101–649, title I, § 121(b)(3), title V, § 543(b)(2), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4994, 5059; Pub. L. 102–232, title III, § 306(c)(3), Dec. 12, 1991, 105 Stat. 1752; Pub. L. 104–208, div. C, title I, § 105(a), Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat. 3009–556.)

Dennis
Right up until those i*****l a***ns APPLY for asyl... (show quote)


I have no problem with any of your sources but...

1,you have no idea that any of those apply to these people do you other that opinion ?
2. Per the law people seeking asylum can cross anytime anywhere so they were not illegal if they were crossing to seek asylum were they?


You are assuming. And nothing more .

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Nov 10, 2021 12:20:36   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
I have no problem with any of your sources but...

1,you have no idea that any of those apply to these people do you other that opinion ?
2. Per the law people seeking asylum can cross anytime anywhere so they were not illegal if they were crossing to seek asylum were they?


You are assuming. And nothing more .


I posted the law just as you did. Do you see something wrong with what I posted? Prove me wrong then.

You seem to have the idea anyone in the world may simply come into America and there is nothing to stop that from happening. I have arrested i*****l a***ns numerous times and they all were sent right back to where they came from. It is against the law to cross the American border without permission. Why is it so hard for you to understand that premise even after I pointed out the law to you? Are you stubborn or just slow witted?

Dennis

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Nov 10, 2021 12:42:21   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
DennyT wrote:
I have no problem with any of your sources but...

1,you have no idea that any of those apply to these people do you other that opinion ?
2. Per the law people seeking asylum can cross anytime anywhere so they were not illegal if they were crossing to seek asylum were they?


You are assuming. And nothing more .


What number of people crossing the border illegally constitutes an invasion? Would 500 million chinese immigrants be an invasion? 500 Terrorists? 200,000 in one month across the Southern border. Over 1 million, this year.?? My belief is that the Biden administration is allowing the great number of people illegally crossing the sothern border so as to change the social structure of the population. For the sole purpose of maintaining Democratic party power.and with the ultimate goal of a socialist country. I can see no other purpose. All that said, the young children are innocent of all this and should get some kind of help. You want to set the age at 10 years> OK with me

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Nov 10, 2021 12:45:15   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I posted the law just as you did. Do you see something wrong with what I posted? Prove me wrong then.


Can you read
“”” I have no problem with any of your sources ”””


Quote:
You seem to have the idea anyone in the world may simply come into America and there is nothing to stop that from happening.


Yes if they are coming to seek asylum —- that is the law!! I quoted it to you!!

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I have arrested i*****l a***ns numerous times and they all were sent right back to where they came from. It is against the law to cross the American border without permission.


Very True UNLESS they ask for asylum . Then they can cross anywhere any time and are NOT illegal . In fact the law goes further than the crossing itself doesn’t it. In the first sentence:

“””” Any alien who is physically present in the United States.....”

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Nov 10, 2021 13:30:43   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
DennyT wrote:
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158


Why is it so hard fir some to accept what law says ?

They were not illegal !
b Any alien who is physically present in the Uni... (show quote)


They certainly aren't legal. If they would pursue the necessary steps to comply with our laws, that would be one thing, but someone who starts out by breaking the law with their first step into the country does not seem to offer much promise to become lawful and productive residents.

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Nov 10, 2021 13:34:55   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
DennyT wrote:
I have no problem with any of your sources but...

1,you have no idea that any of those apply to these people do you other that opinion ?
2. Per the law people seeking asylum can cross anytime anywhere so they were not illegal if they were crossing to seek asylum were they?


You are assuming. And nothing more .


How many of the people who cross illegally do you suppose have applied for asylum since arriving?

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Nov 10, 2021 13:40:22   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Alafoto wrote:
How many of the people who cross illegally do you suppose have applied for asylum since arriving?


I have no idea just like you .

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