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Oct 31, 2021 11:56:17   #
Domtom999
 
Two years ago I purchased a pair of apple air pods pro from b and h. They recently broke and i went to the apple store to arrange a repair. They took one look at them and told me they were knock offs. I told them I purchased them from b and h but they would not service them. I have a receipt from b and h with the serial number which matches the serial number on my product. Apple said doesn’t matter they are not apples. I contacted b and h, provided them with copies of the invoice and pictures of the product and serial number and they agreed they did not appear to be legit apple air pods pro as the case differs and they agreed that the serial number on the receipt and product do match so they agree that that is what they sent me. However because they are two years old they can do nothing. My question is if they sent me something that was a knock-off 2years ago or 10 minutes ago shouldn’t they try to right the wrong in some way. Instead of telling me I’m out of luck. I’m not looking for a new free pair I’m looking to pay for a repair and can not get it. For some reason after shopping with b and h for over 40 years, i expected more.

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Oct 31, 2021 12:17:37   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
I completely understand your position. While I do think B&H should specify that they are not *real* apple products, they do not do repairs.
I just spoke with someone from B&H and told them your problem. He assured me they are a rep for Apple products and was not sure what happened. He suggested emailing the head of customer service. He has given a email for the address for the head of customer service. Please send me a pm and I will give you the email.

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Oct 31, 2021 12:18:06   #
JohnH3 Loc: Auburn, AL
 
You would think they would want to avoid the negative publicity. I would start posting this information with pictures in reviews including their site, FaceBook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. hash tagging them in every post. What they did is wrong and it sounds as if they are somewhat admitting to it. I bet it would only be a matter of time before you would receive a new pair of what you actually purchased, which in my mind you are totally entitled to since they sold you something different than what you ordered and paid for. They owe you if they indeed substituted a knockoff.

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Oct 31, 2021 12:22:32   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
I'm going to follow this topic. It is always entertaining to see someone try to use a public forum to punish or get even with a big, national company. There is always a missing piece in the puzzle. For example, was it a "special deal" on a "gray market" version. (I think I've seen B&H do this with some lenses and they are clear to explain the reason for the low price.)

I've all but stopped buying from B&H. It used to be that I could save some sales tax in exchange for long shipping to the west coast. I'm now getting better delivery times and shipping prices from Amazon and WalMart! The last camera I bought was from Costco which has a 90 day satisfaction return guarantee.

What was the price you paid compared to the price in an Apple store at the time? Were the airpods deeply discounted?

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Oct 31, 2021 12:24:19   #
Domtom999
 
ronichas wrote:
I completely understand your position. While I do think B&H should specify that they are not *real* apple products, they do not do repairs.
I just spoke with someone from B&H and told them your problem. He assured me they are a rep for Apple products and was not sure what happened. He suggested emailing the head of customer service. He has given a email for the address for the head of customer service. Please send me a pm and I will give you the email.


B and h held out that they sold them as true apple air pods from apple and don’t know what went wrong. They can’t explain what happened and because it’s 2 years ago they’re not really interested in rectifying it. My receipt clearly says they are apple air pods pro. Which they are not!

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Oct 31, 2021 12:25:11   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
You would think B&H would be above this kind of action. While in cameras, they do sell grey market alongside USA models they tell you when it is a USA accepted product and do not try to hide grey market goods. They usually show grey market goods as having a 1 year warranty through B&H rather than through Nikon or Canon. This truly surprises me, not that they sold a knock off item, but that they would market them as a genuine Apple product. Even more surprising is that they would not make good on a deceitful practice regardless when the product was purchased. This definitely is a black eye for B&H. If you purchased this product in good faith that it was genuine Apple product, how were you supposed to know it was a fake? Are we supposed to take every item we purchase from them to a dealer and get it certified genuine or not? This is something I would not sit still for and write the owner of the company a letter stating that you will not let this drop. You can find the names of the principals of the company by looking them up on Wikipedia. I would send letters to the president, CFO, COO, head buyer, and a cc to the better business bureau. There might even be legal troubles for a company that misrepresents product like that.

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Oct 31, 2021 12:26:53   #
Domtom999
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm going to follow this topic. It is always entertaining to see someone try to use a public forum to punish or get even with a big, national company. There is always a missing piece in the puzzle.

I've all but stopped buying from B&H. It used to be that I could save some sales tax in exchange for long shipping to the west coast. I'm now getting better delivery times and shipping prices from Amazon and WalMart!

What was the price you paid compared to the price in an Apple store at the time? Were the airpods deeply discounted?
I'm going to follow this topic. It is always ente... (show quote)

I paid $240 which was full price at the time. No discount except sales tax with their card.

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Oct 31, 2021 12:30:31   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Domtom999 wrote:
I paid $240 which was full price at the time. No discount except sales tax with their card.


I still think there is a logical reason behind this. Why didn't you buy them from the Apple store?

Maybe the best way to get even is to spend your photography dollars elsewhere for the next 40 years!

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Oct 31, 2021 12:33:13   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Bridges wrote:
You would think B&H would be above this kind of action. While in cameras, they do sell grey market alongside USA models they tell you when it is a USA accepted product and do not try to hide grey market goods. They usually show grey market goods as having a 1 year warranty through B&H rather than through Nikon or Canon. This truly surprises me, not that they sold a knock off item, but that they would market them as a genuine Apple product. Even more surprising is that they would not make good on a deceitful practice regardless when the product was purchased. This definitely is a black eye for B&H. If you purchased this product in good faith that it was genuine Apple product, how were you supposed to know it was a fake? Are we supposed to take every item we purchase from them to a dealer and get it certified genuine or not? This is something I would not sit still for and write the owner of the company a letter stating that you will not let this drop. You can find the names of the principals of the company by looking them up on Wikipedia. I would send letters to the president, CFO, COO, head buyer, and a cc to the better business bureau. There might even be legal troubles for a company that misrepresents product like that.
You would think B&H would be above this kind o... (show quote)


"You would think B&H would be above this kind of action."

Of course they are! Something went wrong on a $240 transaction two years ago. Do you really think B&H made a corporate policy decision to commit fraud?

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Oct 31, 2021 12:41:16   #
Domtom999
 
bsprague wrote:
I still think there is a logical reason behind this. Why didn't you buy them from the Apple store?

Maybe the best way to get even is to spend your photography dollars elsewhere for the next 40 years!

I believe they were just released around that time and supplies were short. I order all my camera equipment from b and h so it would make sense to order from them if they had stock. In answer to your question do i think they as a corporation would comit fraud my answer is no. I’ve bought from them for 40 years and until now never had a problem. That’s quite a good track record. I’m just having trouble believing they sold me something as a legit Apple product that apple would not service now i feel cheated and that’s the problem.

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Oct 31, 2021 13:40:50   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm going to follow this topic. It is always entertaining to see someone try to use a public forum to punish or get even with a big, national company. There is always a missing piece in the puzzle. For example, was it a "special deal" on a "gray market" version. (I think I've seen B&H do this with some lenses and they are clear to explain the reason for the low price.)

I've all but stopped buying from B&H. It used to be that I could save some sales tax in exchange for long shipping to the west coast. I'm now getting better delivery times and shipping prices from Amazon and WalMart! The last camera I bought was from Costco which has a 90 day satisfaction return guarantee.

What was the price you paid compared to the price in an Apple store at the time? Were the airpods deeply discounted?
I'm going to follow this topic. It is always ente... (show quote)


B&H has a PayBoo card. They absorb the tax. Amazon, Walmart and Costco, sell older items. I have used B&H for many years. They have done workshops for my meetup group and have always donated something great for a door prize. They even sent a beautiful redhead to hand over the door prize. They did pay for her dinner!!

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Oct 31, 2021 13:44:25   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
Domtom999 wrote:
I believe they were just released around that time and supplies were short. I order all my camera equipment from b and h so it would make sense to order from them if they had stock. In answer to your question do i think they as a corporation would comit fraud my answer is no. I’ve bought from them for 40 years and until now never had a problem. That’s quite a good track record. I’m just having trouble believing they sold me something as a legit Apple product that apple would not service now i feel cheated and that’s the problem.
I believe they were just released around that time... (show quote)


Did you read my message about emailing the director of customer service?
Send me a private message and I will give you the email address.

Or call B&H and ask to speak with Alex or the director of customer service.

Some of the people that work there are better than others. I bought a new type of gimble/landscape tripod head at their Optic event. I could not figure out how to use for landscape. Called B&H and the guy thought I was a stupid woman. He had no idea what I was talking about. It was a new item at B&H.

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Oct 31, 2021 15:28:20   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Folks from some things I have read it is entirely possible that B&H was scammed by a distributor who sold them knock offs as genuine iPods and that was two years ago. The real Apple Products only have a one year warranty so you wouldn't get anything done for them either. The problem seems to be finding someone who will work on the knock offs. There are bound to be people who will repair things like that. But at the present time with the supply chain shortages, esp chips, parts may just not be available.

My personal opinion is we need to get back to US made products and components as much as possible. And of course other countries like Japan that we can count as friends and partners - not China who are at best a major rival and at worst an enemy.

I would rather pay a bit more for a US made product that has good support and is more durable than a cheap Chinese product. The only exception I can think of is something meant for "use once and discard" where quality and performance are not very important. I have bought cheap tools for a once in a lifetime repair and then given them away or to the metal recycler. But for tool types that are used regularly I buy good quality brands, maybe not what a pro who uses them daily would get, but fairly good quality. When I was a kid and spent time on my Grandparent's farm I used hand tools originally purchased generations ago (the farm was in the family since 1791).

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Oct 31, 2021 15:49:30   #
Domtom999
 
robertjerl wrote:
Folks from some things I have read it is entirely possible that B&H was scammed by a distributor who sold them knock offs as genuine iPods and that was two years ago. The real Apple Products only have a one year warranty so you wouldn't get anything done for them either. The problem seems to be finding someone who will work on the knock offs. There are bound to be people who will repair things like that. But at the present time with the supply chain shortages, esp chips, parts may just not be available.

My personal opinion is we need to get back to US made products and components as much as possible. And of course other countries like Japan that we can count as friends and partners - not China who are at best a major rival and at worst an enemy.
There is one other thing I think you are missing. I paid for genuine apple airpod pros and received something that is obviously not as good. That’s the wrong that needs to be corrected. Possibly if I got the genuine product it might never have broken and I wouldn’t be looking to get them repaired in the first place.
I would rather pay a bit more for a US made product that has good support and is more durable than a cheap Chinese product. The only exception I can think of is something meant for "use once and discard" where quality and performance are not very important. I have bought cheap tools for a once in a lifetime repair and then given them away or to the metal recycler. But for tool types that are used regularly I buy good quality brands, maybe not what a pro who uses them daily would get, but fairly good quality. When I was a kid and spent time on my Grandparent's farm I used hand tools originally purchased generations ago (the farm was in the family since 1791).
Folks from some things I have read it is entirely ... (show quote)

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Oct 31, 2021 19:36:50   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
ronichas wrote:
B&H has a PayBoo card. They absorb the tax. Amazon, Walmart and Costco, sell older items. I have used B&H for many years. They have done workshops for my meetup group and have always donated something great for a door prize. They even sent a beautiful redhead to hand over the door prize. They did pay for her dinner!!


I tried to apply for a PayBoo card, and was denied, in spite of a lifetime of good credit. I have heard the same complaint from others here. B&H puts all the blame on the bank, but it is their bank which supplies the card, and have cost them my business.

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