Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX

WARNING: This is NOT a political post. Attempts to politicize this will be referred to the Moderator.
Well reasoned, courteous, pros and cons are acceptable. Derogatory comments, name-calling, etc. are NOT.
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This is an excerpt from a Medscape article entitled:
"V*****e Holdouts Embrace C***D Antibody Treatment, Mystifying Doctors".
While the v*****e has been highly effective in preventing C****-** hospitalizations (at essentially zero cost to the health care system), likewise some of the monoclonal formulations have also been highly effective (70%) at preventing hospitalization once a Patient has become C***d Positive - however the monoclonals Remain Experimental (under EUA) and come at a very high price.

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Daryls Loc: Waco, TX

Apparently, these folks would rather put something into their stomach much more readily than they would want to put something into their blood stream directly through an injection. If it goes bad, at least there is the possibility of getting the stomach pumped and the offending material expelled before too much damage occurs. You cannot do that with something bad injected directly into your bloodstream. Fear is a powerful motivator for both good and bad outcomes. It is part of our human nature.

cwp3420

Thanks for the article, Merlin. I for one would take the antibody treatment more so than the C***D v*****e.

one_eyed_pete Loc: Colonie NY

Interesting article. Nonetheless, we need to be careful how we refer to people who think differently. Not all are lunatics. Just calling them "a*****xers" has an inherently negative judgmental connotation. I'm vaxed but I know others who are irrationally terrified, who have extreme allergy sensitivities and some who were vaxed against their first instinct but are currently experiencing real concerning hormonal side effects. The situation is not nearly as simple as some powers issuing "mandates" would have us think. Medicine is largely empirical and statistical. Didn't early doctors think l***hes and blood letting cured diseases.

Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX

I'd like to think we've gotten past 'empirical' medicine and are now more focused on treatments based on risk/benefit, outcome based, statistical analyses using committee validated studies (prospective RCT's are usually best). I think bloodletting fell out of favor over 100 years ago, and despite the flurry of TV Ads with physicians touting brand X, Y, Z, TV commercial for cigarettes were banned in the US in 1971.
The term "A*****xers" is in the current lexicon, and it's use was the authors' choice, possibly somewhat influenced by the hospital crushing increase in admissions for C***d amongst the unv******ted.

Wallen Loc: Middle Earth

I do not understand those that would not take the c***d v*****e and even publicly & proudly tout their hatred for it because those are the same people who had or would readily take smallpox, measles, tetanus & polio v*****es.

In my mind, their decision is more of a media induced fear or political and twisted anti government/authority belief instead of a valid & informed decision.

Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX

It's interesting, to say the least.
Children must have their v******tions or they are not permitted in school.
C***d v*****es are now FDA approved, free, and prevent you from getting sick.
Monoclonal C***d antibodies are experimental, very expensive, and only given after you are sick.

f8lee Loc: New Mexico

This "Sparticus C***d letter" does put many concerns of the "v*****e hesitant" in thoughtful terms, along with references. The FDA, CDC et al have shown themselves to be untrustworthy (along with other organizations).

As for the monoclonal therapy - perhaps those who are trying it have more faith in that.

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whfowle Loc: Tampa first, now Albuquerque

Coming from the military environment, v*****es have never been an issue for me. I've already ran through two international shot records and still travel to sub Saharan Africa on a pretty regular basis. Friday, I went to Walgreens to get my P****r booster and my annual Fluzone shot. One in each arm. No headache, no fever, no pain in the arms.
In fact nothing. I suspect they shot me up with water. Just kidding! I was surprised that they didn't charge me for the Fluzone. Zero cost this time. Last year, I paid $70.00 for the Fluzone.

f8lee Loc: New Mexico

Well, you have to know that the C***d stuff is not at all like any v*****e produced historically, as it is not comprised of crippled versions of the pathogen in question as all others are and have been, but rather was built from the ground up. The inventor of this m**A based product himself calls it gener therapy. And the V***S numbers showing 6000 (or 8000?) deaths this year alone from v*****es (of all types) as compared to the approximately 180 deaths per year for the past 30 years (again, from all v*****es) should make one wonder - but since the fair and balanced media has ignored that unsavory fact few realize that.

Point is, the C***d stuff ain't your grandpa's v*****e.

cdayton

If you do a little checking, you will find that the 6000 number is based on an article in the journal V*****e and that it was retracted on July 2 for being wildly inaccurate - part of the disinformation campaign we are being subjected to.

mindzye Loc: WV

From an extensively researched, knowledge based perspective, there are several treatment protocols that are non-invasive, effective and low cost. And no resulting degenerative, debilitating or long lasting (unless you consider the positive health supports)and deleterious side effects. I understand your intent to help others w/ info; however consider the source of this piece of information and the biased cant that it is based on and thus portrays.

NickelCigar Loc: Lenexa, Kansas

I have had both shots and the booster. I am immune comprised so mot taking chances. I have a neighbor that will not get the v*****e and one that got C***D before getting v******ted. He was in the hospital for several weeks. He told the nonvacinated person "If you do get C***D you will wish you you had gotten the v*****e." He had fever of 104 plus and had him packed ice just to control the fever. He is recovered and feels very lucky hesurvived.

pdsdville Loc: Midlothian, Tx

Absolutely no political intent here. I've had C***d **, a good friend just died with it a week or so ago, five other close friends have had it to varying degrees. My case was light but I still felt the effects months later, and still don't know what's in store for me. I think that had this p******c occurred twenty years ago, say September 12, 2001, and the government said everyone should be v******ted, we would be lined up half way around the world for the shot. Stats have shown over and over again that mask wearing, v******tions, and distancing work to quell the progression of the disease. So why won't we do it now. We are letting this disease crush families, the economy, and progress in general because some of us won't be "bossed around". The Delta variant has heated up the battle against the disease. Don't know what the Beta and Gama variants are going to do and what's up next? OK, I had it, got the v******tions, including the booster. I wear a mask to protect my friends and the general public if I should still catch a variation. I'm trying to do my part now, just as I did in the '60's when I enlisted in the army. I know a lot of bridges have been burned but I don't seem to see any meaningful attempt to regain that attitude we had in 2001. What is wrong with us?

Ioannis

With out scrutinizing members with their respected options, I have a very dear friend that has been v******ted as well as her husband, both are in middle seventies with several different serious illnesses from diabetes to lung cancer. Their son a mid thirty young man doesn’t believe in the v*****e and he is in real state business a profession that needs to be in contact with a lot of people, he often visit them with out masks. (He doesn’t believe that they offer protection.) I don’t have to tell you that they all experienced the v***s in the worst way. It’s been a very concerned of many friends of them hoping that the v***s will not have long term effects in their health. I believe if there is some thing available to protect my health I will try to use it after been well informed with open mind and with out confusing political issues.