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Sep 23, 2021 10:57:07   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I use a Tamron 28-300mm. I don't get to forest fires but city and farm fires.

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Sep 23, 2021 11:01:08   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
"What camer and what lens" questions are sometimes difficult to answer because I do not exactly what exactly the photograher specifically wants to capture his or her style, or exact working conditions and situations.

I have not photographed active fires in many years, however, in my 3-year stint working on a daily newspaper, as he rookie on the team at the time, and my getting all the night shifts, I became the official "pyro-tographer" on the crew.

After my first few fire assignments, I quickly learned the actual meaning of "hot as hell" and that available light was always the best method. Flash is oftentimes NOT advisable for the same reason you don't use your bright headlights in a fog- the flash will bounce off the smoke and obscure the entire scene.

As for lenses, a fast zoom is practical. Longer focal lengths are handy because at most structure fires you will not be allowed to jump the fire line, however, you may want some wide range shots as well. Running around a foreground with all the smoke and soot in the air, it is best to work with multiple bodies so you don't need to detach are reattach lenses in that dirty environment.

Fires are self-illuminating so even at night, between the light from the fire and the lighting gear aboard the fire trucks, a moderately fast lens will do the job and with a boosted ISO you can still handhold the camera at reasonable shutter speed. I did learn that using a tripod and making longer exposures- even several seconds, makes the fire look more intense.

As I mentioned, I had not shot fires in many years, that is, until a few years ago, in the middle of the night, a building on a property adjacent to my back yard was set on fire by an arsonist. My wife smelled smoke, awakened me, called the fire department and I shot a few frames as soon as the firefighters arrived. I thought they had it under control but in seconds the gasses emitted by the fire ignited and the entire building was engulfed in flames.

Back in the day, I used 3 bodies- zooms were not all that fast and sharp. On a 35mm camera, equivalent to a full-frame DSLR, I used 24mm, 50mm, and 300mm lenses at fires.

As for waterbomber aircraft in flight, a zoom with a longer focal length range should be practical.









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Sep 23, 2021 12:46:24   #
Nicholas J DeSciose
 
The Nikon 200 to 500 mm is absolutely the best. I did quite a bit of research on this and determined that the Nikon lens was by far the best. The VR works exceptionally well I’ve made some handheld shots at 500 mm and have been stung by the sharpness

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Sep 23, 2021 14:07:30   #
John O.
 
Consider the Tamron 18mm to 400mm lens. You only need one lens and at 400mm you have the equivalent of about 640mm.

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Sep 23, 2021 17:44:51   #
Chicago312 Loc: Western suburb, Chicago
 
kb6kgx wrote:
First, yes, I did do a "search" on this topic before posting this. However, the few threads I found were 7-10 years old, and were either from people who take photos of fire trucks or campfires.

I do "fire photography". By that, I mean going to the scenes of brush fires, structure fires, "rescue" calls and other assorted situations where firefighters are involved. The purpose is to obtain good photos for possible publication in local newspapers and fire- and EMS-related publications. I'm primarily interested in photographing aerial firefighting helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft ("air tankers") dropping either water or Phos-Chek retardant. So, now to the "photography" question I have.

I shoot with a Nikon D7100 and D7200, with a Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 on one, and Nikon 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 ED-IF on the other. However, especially when it comes to aircraft, which are often some distance away, sometimes 300mm is not quite enough. Yes, I can crop in and "simulate" the effect of a longer lens that way, but I'm looking at adding a new lens to "reach out" further. I'd like some advice and comments as to which might be the better way to go.

My first choice would be the Nikon 200-500mm f5.6. I would expect most of my use of this lens would be at the 500mm end of its range. The extra 200mm I would get over the lens I already have is significant.

My next option would be either the Sigma or Tamron 150-600mm f5-6.3. A little more on the "wide" end, and another 100mm on the "long" end. I don't care so much about the 150mm and the difference in field of view from 500mm to 600mm is also insignificant and could be simulated by cropping.

I would be interested in which lens is the "best bang for the buck". From what I've read, the Nikon gets points for being the sharpest of the three, the constant aperture across the zoom range and for having the fastest and most accurate AF. However, I've read comments about the Sigma and Tamron claiming that those users are also getting sharp photos and feel that the AF response is excellent.

All three are heavy lenses, heavier than anything I've used before. But, I'm not at the point, yet, where the weight of the lens would be an issue.

I'd rather have a 500mm prime, but even the Nikon 500mm f4 PF is a $3500 lens and not exactly within my budget. So, looking for opinions and recommendations between the three mentioned above.

Thank you.
First, yes, I did do a "search" on this ... (show quote)


I don’t have experience with any of these 3 lenses, so what I would do, if possible, is to rent each and see how you like it. I rented a 300mm f2.8 before deciding whether to buy or not.
Using the lens will allow you to judge sharpness, handling, weight, balance with your cameras, whether you can (or want to) handhold, or have to use a monopod or tripod.

The 500 mm f5.6 PF is expensive (shop for a used one through a reputable dealer), but likely a one time purchase instead of buying a heavy zoom and changing your mind later. As I get older, the weight and portability of camera gear factors into my decision of what to sell off and what to buy. 500mm gives you an equivalent of 750mm on your cameras and <3 degrees angle of view.

Good luck and post some photos when you get a chance.

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Sep 23, 2021 18:08:52   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
"What camer and what lens" questions are sometimes difficult to answer because I do not exactly what exactly the photograher specifically wants to capture his or her style, or exact working conditions and situations.

I have not photographed active fires in many years, however, in my 3-year stint working on a daily newspaper, as he rookie on the team at the time, and my getting all the night shifts, I became the official "pyro-tographer" on the crew.

After my first few fire assignments, I quickly learned the actual meaning of "hot as hell" and that available light was always the best method. Flash is oftentimes NOT advisable for the same reason you don't use your bright headlights in a fog- the flash will bounce off the smoke and obscure the entire scene.

As for lenses, a fast zoom is practical. Longer focal lengths are handy because at most structure fires you will not be allowed to jump the fire line, however, you may want some wide range shots as well. Running around a foreground with all the smoke and soot in the air, it is best to work with multiple bodies so you don't need to detach are reattach lenses in that dirty environment.

Fires are self-illuminating so even at night, between the light from the fire and the lighting gear aboard the fire trucks, a moderately fast lens will do the job and with a boosted ISO you can still handhold the camera at reasonable shutter speed. I did learn that using a tripod and making longer exposures- even several seconds, makes the fire look more intense.

As I mentioned, I had not shot fires in many years, that is, until a few years ago, in the middle of the night, a building on a property adjacent to my back yard was set on fire by an arsonist. My wife smelled smoke, awakened me, called the fire department and I shot a few frames as soon as the firefighters arrived. I thought they had it under control but in seconds the gasses emitted by the fire ignited and the entire building was engulfed in flames.

Back in the day, I used 3 bodies- zooms were not all that fast and sharp. On a 35mm camera, equivalent to a full-frame DSLR, I used 24mm, 50mm, and 300mm lenses at fires.

As for waterbomber aircraft in flight, a zoom with a longer focal length range should be practical.
"What camer and what lens" questions are... (show quote)


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Sep 23, 2021 19:29:49   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
MrPhotog wrote:
Just asking:

Have you considered trying a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter with your current 70-300?

It would ‘cost’ you one or two f/stops, but you would save dollars and weight. The things weigh about 4 ounces.

With a 2x teleconverter you would be working with a 140-600 mm lens with an effective maximum aperture of f/9 - f/11. Not fast, but your subjects are at great distance, so focus is pretty easy, and ISO can be raised a bit to compensate.
With a 1.4x your max. focal length would be 420 mm at f/8.
Just asking: br br Have you considered trying a 1... (show quote)


Once you use a 1
4 or 2x your auto focus stops, try something else if you need extensions, realize in manual focus you have decrease light coming into camera

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Sep 23, 2021 20:44:09   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Just a quick side note on the use of the term superzoom in the title of this thread. I have also seen references in other threads to lenses with 100-400mm, 200-500mm, and 150-600mm focal ranges as being superzooms. While there is no official standard definition of a superzoom lens, as a general case, the term usually refers to zooms lenses that far exceed the 3x, 4x, or 5x focal range of conventional standard zooms, and have a focal range that goes from wide angle to telephoto. Superzooms generally have significant optical limitations due to their extreme focal range. Wikipedia, among other sources, defines superzooms this way. The 22x Tamron 18-400mm would be an example of a superzoom lens. Based on this definition, the 2.5x range of the Nikkor 200-500mm, for example, would not put that lens into the superzoom category.
Just a quick side note on the use of the term supe... (show quote)


The problem with things like this,
While there is no official standard definition of a superzoom lens ...
is that everybody can decide their own definition.

In spite of Wikipedia commonly being used as a reference, it is sometimes best to let everybody have their own opinions.

ePhotozine's Best Superzoom Lenses You Can Buy Right Now often fall way outside the standard Wikipedia promotes.

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/the-best-superzoom-lenses-you-can-buy-right-now-29159

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Sep 23, 2021 21:21:50   #
fstoprookie Loc: Central Valley of California
 
NIKON 200-500 hands down. I have one and just love it.

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Sep 24, 2021 09:33:22   #
docphoto Loc: Illinois
 
As far as "fire photography" and what types of lens to use it t varies. Rather than take up space and time, please feel free to e-mail me at "elsburgh@gmail.com." I've been photographing fires since 2004 and can give you some pointers if you want.






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Sep 24, 2021 10:44:33   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
"Elsburgh" nice shots

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Sep 24, 2021 11:42:19   #
docphoto Loc: Illinois
 
Thank you

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Sep 24, 2021 12:51:32   #
skylinefirepest Loc: Southern Pines, N.C.
 
I've been doing fire photography for almost thirty five years and I use a Sony A77 with an 18-250 lens. I agree that out West this would probably be way too small for you but on the East coast it has proven to be ideal. As I'm also a firefighter I frequently hand off my camera to someone to continue taking pictures while I pull line or go to refill a tanker. Makes life interesting. I wish you the best of luck and stay behind the hot stuff.

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Sep 24, 2021 14:23:21   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
docphoto wrote:
As far as "fire photography" and what types of lens to use it t varies. Rather than take up space and time, please feel free to e-mail me at "elsburgh@gmail.com." I've been photographing fires since 2004 and can give you some pointers if you want.


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Sep 25, 2021 05:54:52   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
billnikon wrote:
Photographers who did not buy the Nikon 200-500, now have buyers remorse.


I am a photographer who did not buy the 200-500. I looked at three copies - 2 from NPS loaner service, and 1 that belonged to a friend. I decided that it lacked the build quality, especially in misty, drizzly and damp settings. So I bought a Sigma 150-600 Sport. I like it so much I sold my Nikkor 600mm F4 AF-S II about a year later.

Absolutely the best decision I've made, and 5 years later I can unhesitatingly say I have no regrets about buying the Sigma or selling the Nikkor. The 200-500 is a very nice lens, but it is not quite as sharp or as well-built as the Sigma.

Funny thing is this review confirmed my own assessment.

https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-200-500mm-f5-6e-vr

For smaller cameras, I have used a Nikon pretty much since 1967, save for a couple of brief romances with a Leica IIIF, M4 and M2, and later a Contax RTS II - they were outstanding in their own right - but I kept coming back to Nikon. I insist on the sharpest results, and am willing to give up 1/3 stop and carry an extra pound or to if it gives me the image quality I seek. If I know ahead of time that the weather or other conditions (dust/sand, salt spray at the ocean's edge, heavy dew and morning dampness, etc - I will choose the lens that will be least likely to be negatively impacted by those conditions. The 200-500 did not make the cut - for me anyway.

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