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Does shooting nudes or erotic models turn you on?
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Sep 24, 2021 13:48:23   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
azted wrote:
To get back to the original discussion........ I realized that I had been in a similar situation when I spent a lot of time in life drawing sessions, where a nude model would pose for two, five, ten and twenty minute poses while we drew her, or painted her (or him). Since I had no early age art training, this was always a stressful learning experience for me, trying to get a good drawing against some rather talented artists in the room. The first time the model takes a pose you asses her body and the landmarks within that you want to be sure to draw correctly. So this was work, more work than setting your exposure, etc. The initial titilation of her nude state quickly gives way to the responsibility you feel to get the proportions right, and do her image justice. So the reality is that the model represents your ability to create something beautiful, and that responsibility is not arousing in a sexual sense, but it is in a motivational sense for your artistic sensibilities. Most models understand this, and that is why they want to see the work when you are done.
To get back to the original discussion........ I r... (show quote)


Well stated, completely agree.

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Sep 24, 2021 13:58:10   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Like Timmers, most of the images I shoot are meant to be erotic. Tastes will vary, LOL. I also like to shoot artistic figure photography. Some images can bridge the distinctions between those two divisions but normally they're two different hats that I put on as a photographer.

The bottom line in successful erotic photography is that both the model and the photographer have to believe the setting and images are arousing. If not, the images will not achieve that goal. Can the model and the photographer achieve this in a professional setting? Of course.

I only share images here of my partner, since most of the other work I've done in this genre is private, commissioned boudoir work. The most successful of those sessions had a fun back and forth teasing. You can make the model feel attractive and sexy and still be respectful. If they don't feel attractive and desired, the resulting images will be cold. As the photographer, to deny that successful interplay is stimulating would be lying. That stimulation is an ingredient to a successful session.

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Sep 24, 2021 19:45:36   #
PaulG Loc: Western Australia
 
Timmers wrote:
That is simply a business model, and everyone here I'm certain is pleased with your business model. It is also so typical of your posts to avoid the original posters request for comments on the subject that was raised and try to take the subject of the original post and discussion in some new and arbitrary direction. Your response is irrelevant to the discussion, so in future could you stay on the point of the original subject of the discussion and not attempt to hijack the discussion in a direction that suits your fancy.

I say this because it is not acceptable to sherry pick from others comments to a discussion, while not participating in the discussion at hand. Start your own discussions instead would show respect to the original poster inquiry.

And no, I'm not playing forum cop here. It is that in the past you have been all to quick to object to comments on a discussion that are not your original posts and do not conform to your position of opinion. The rules are there for a reason and we all need to follow the guide lines for discussion, I'm sure you will agree with that the rules apply to each of us.
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Well doesn't that just show how inattentive you are. I did post a relevant response to the original thread, nitwit. Third one down. And as far as irrelevance goes, you appear to have committed the cardinal sin by hijacking someone else's post and sticking seven of your own "typical" images on. Perhaps put the old noodle to better use next time and less of the clap trap! And as far as your final paragraph goes - I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Sep 24, 2021 19:51:13   #
dat2ra Loc: Sacramento
 
azted wrote:
The initial titilation of her nude state quickly gives way to the responsibility you feel to get the proportions right, and do her image justice. So the reality is that the model represents your ability to create something beautiful, and that responsibility is not arousing in a sexual sense, but it is in a motivational sense for your artistic sensibilities.


This is an interesting perspective. Thanks, azted.

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Sep 24, 2021 21:36:21   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
PaulG wrote:
Well doesn't that just show how inattentive you are. I did post a relevant response to the original thread, nitwit. Third one down. And as far as irrelevance goes, you appear to have committed the cardinal sin by hijacking someone else's post and sticking seven of your own "typical" images on. Perhaps put the old noodle to better use next time and less of the clap trap! And as far as your final paragraph goes - I have no idea what you are talking about.


It is my understanding that this was a discussion and perhaps you might be aware that visual communication is a form of expression just like the written word. That was what I posted.

You know, no one is impressed by your surly comments and rather obvious anger in your postings. Most who read these posts are aware that you don't care for my work and that is fine, but I'm not trying to make money as you are want to do as your motivation that you let everyone know.

Business is not necessarily the focus of this forum, just in case that is what you think the hog is about. For many of us here, this is not an occupation, we are not doing business.

So if you are writing to us about the 'business' here, it is the models who are in business, not the boys pressing shutters. But the relevant question being addressed is about the people operating their cameras.

In a way it could be relevant, your comments if we stretch the whole thing and say that the model doing business has a cliental of photographers who pay for their services. But I suppose that would make the comment about your regarding models paying you irrelevant.

Or in the old Bible Belt approach to car radio evangelism, "Who's driving?"

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Sep 24, 2021 22:57:36   #
PaulG Loc: Western Australia
 
Timmers wrote:
It is my understanding that this was a discussion and perhaps you might be aware that visual communication is a form of expression just like the written word. That was what I posted.

You know, no one is impressed by your surly comments and rather obvious anger in your postings. Most who read these posts are aware that you don't care for my work and that is fine, but I'm not trying to make money as you are want to do as your motivation that you let everyone know.

Business is not necessarily the focus of this forum, just in case that is what you think the hog is about. For many of us here, this is not an occupation, we are not doing business.

So if you are writing to us about the 'business' here, it is the models who are in business, not the boys pressing shutters. But the relevant question being addressed is about the people operating their cameras.

In a way it could be relevant, your comments if we stretch the whole thing and say that the model doing business has a cliental of photographers who pay for their services. But I suppose that would make the comment about your regarding models paying you irrelevant.

Or in the old Bible Belt approach to car radio evangelism, "Who's driving?"
It is my understanding that this was a discussion ... (show quote)


Mine was a simple 12 word comment; you're now approaching 1,000 words. Don't be so defensive, and stop the incoherent ramblings and trying to portray yourself as the intellect you clearly aren't. I've not had any negative "personal" feedback on here in almost a decade so again, I don't know what you're on about. I posted a response to the original thread so lets leave it at that, move on, and stop the bitching - I don't want a pen pal!

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Sep 25, 2021 05:50:54   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
dat2ra wrote:
Serious topic: I shoot mainly pin-up and fetish, and work with a fairly large meet-up group of photogs and models. Among the models, the topic of photographers' "inappropriate behavior" comes up frequently, especially among those who do paid shoots. One model asked me the title's question to which I replied "No, because I am concentrating on what I am doing, and even though the images are certainly made so that they are sexy or erotic, I don't find processing them to be a turn on either". Frankly, I don't care either way so long as photographers treat the models with courtesy and respect. But I thought it an interesting question worthy of discussion here.
Serious topic: I shoot mainly pin-up and fetish, a... (show quote)


I’ve got red blood in my veins& I love the looks of the female form. I admire the power they have in owning that form that men lust after, & they’re prepared to display it. In return, they deserve the utmost respect from we men.
If we desire to touch it, we have to earn the trust of the lady.
But I enjoy viewing the female form, both clothed, or nude. To qualify that, I mean if they are in reasonable shape.
Self respect is a quality in these females that is more attractive to most males??

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Sep 25, 2021 06:34:57   #
PaulG Loc: Western Australia
 
Bunko.T wrote:
I’ve got red blood in my veins& I love the looks of the female form. I admire the power they have in owning that form that men lust after, & they’re prepared to display it. In return, they deserve the utmost respect from we men.
If we desire to touch it, we have to earn the trust of the lady.
But I enjoy viewing the female form, both clothed, or nude. To qualify that, I mean if they are in reasonable shape.
Self respect is a quality in these females that is more attractive to most males??
I’ve got red blood in my veins& I love the loo... (show quote)


Good one mate; spoken like a true animal

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Sep 25, 2021 06:54:53   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
dat2ra wrote:
Serious topic: I shoot mainly pin-up and fetish, and work with a fairly large meet-up group of photogs and models. Among the models, the topic of photographers' "inappropriate behavior" comes up frequently, especially among those who do paid shoots. One model asked me the title's question to which I replied "No, because I am concentrating on what I am doing, and even though the images are certainly made so that they are sexy or erotic, I don't find processing them to be a turn on either". Frankly, I don't care either way so long as photographers treat the models with courtesy and respect. But I thought it an interesting question worthy of discussion here.
Serious topic: I shoot mainly pin-up and fetish, a... (show quote)


What is the ultimate purpose for doing the photo?

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Sep 30, 2021 08:26:29   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
rmalarz wrote:
Personally, I don't like to objectify people. However, when working with the subject of a photograph, I tend to view them more as an object. I'm concerned about lighting, highlight/shadow interplay, etc. Nothing handles light like the human form. There are no sharp edges so light to shadow transitions can be wonderfully artistic. Photographic art is the focus of my work with models.

This even applies to portrait work. The difference is with portraits I attempt to capture the personality, as well.
--Bob
Personally, I don't like to objectify people. Howe... (show quote)


I agree with you Bob!!






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Sep 30, 2021 17:57:30   #
WirtzWorld Loc: SE WI
 
It absolutely does. Especially if you are shooting a very attractive model. If your photo doesn’t please you, then why make it.

Now, that being said, you just cannot make your prurient interest apparent to your model or any incidental people in your studio. You MUST act in a professional manner at all times. And by that, we’ll you all should know how to do professional or else don’t photograph nude girls (or boys).

There is such a thing as keeping it to yourself. Enough said.

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Sep 30, 2021 20:16:57   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
WirtzWorld wrote:
It absolutely does. Especially if you are shooting a very attractive model. If your photo doesn’t please you, then why make it.

Now, that being said, you just cannot make your prurient interest apparent to your model or any incidental people in your studio. You MUST act in a professional manner at all times. And by that, we’ll you all should know how to do professional or else don’t photograph nude girls (or boys).

There is such a thing as keeping it to yourself. Enough said.


Most of this is pretty normal. I don't disagree with it when working in that normal environment. There are times when I work one on one with nude models that this just simply does not apply. The limits are simple to state, are you there to make images (art) or are you there to have sex, what ever that is in the particular ramifications.

I find it completely impossible to make erotic images, which is the main focus of my work, with out the models arousal. That arousal can take on many degrees of limitation and possibilities. The simple truth must be clear in you the artist head, are you there to create art or to have sex?

As an illustration of this is found in the early 1960's film Blow Up. It is one of the great classics that all photographers would be well advised to put in their list of films to see. During a session with a fashion model, the photographer is making mages and the woman/model is completely aroused, it is obvious that she wants sex and the photographer (male) is completely disinterested in that, sends her packing. The honesty is palatable.

One last thing I want to say, at the end of a session with the model I find a certain mental exhaustion. My desire, should I say my need is to get them gone so I can take a long nap. Not an erotic one, ever, just a long recharge type nap of several hours. I have made this known to other photographers and they totally agree with this need for sleep after a session.

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Oct 4, 2021 13:30:51   #
twr25 Loc: New Jersey
 
Shooting nudes with a model is kind of clinical; attention to lighting, camera settings, angles, poses. I do tell the model things which encourage her. Wow, that pose is perfect, you look beautiful, this shot is going to look fantastic ... but NOT sexual comments. It's not a date.

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Oct 4, 2021 14:03:46   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
twr25 wrote:
Shooting nudes with a model is kind of clinical; attention to lighting, camera settings, angles, poses. I do tell the model things which encourage her. Wow, that pose is perfect, you look beautiful, this shot is going to look fantastic ... but NOT sexual comments. It's not a date.


Happy for you, I stop shooting girly images long ago.

I shoot Erotic and the models do enjoy sexy during a shoot. I even talk dirty to them! Oh the degradation! You do not have or need to have sex to have a great session (it falls into the category of fore-play), but the models do want an erotic shoot to be non-clinical, as in sensual/sexy/sexual.

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