C***d V*****e Mandates verses Patriotism?
Sep 13, 2021 10:11:53 #
jackm1943 wrote:
I agree totally. Why aren't these phonies also protesting the requirement for school kids to be v******ted for polio, measles, etc, etc? And back in the day, smallpox? Why aren't they protesting company's requirement to wear shoes or be clothed before coming into the store? And on and on.
As a privilege to attend public schools, folks cede certain rights to the local school authorities. As a requirement for attending those public schools, state and local laws have been passed to ensure attendees do not spread disease unnecessarily. And yes, school systems do mandate certain v******tions to attend. Among them are measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio, etc., v*****es. There are certain exceptions for children whose parents object to v******tions on medical or religious grounds.
Entering a store dressed "properly" is the right of the owner to demand in the way of compliance. Even though the store is a so-called "public accommodation", the property is privately owned and subject to the owner(s) requirements for certain decorum in the way customers present themselves.
Sep 13, 2021 10:14:27 #
StanMac
Loc: Tennessee
bobmcculloch wrote:
Basic Question:
Do you trust YOUR GOVERNMENT?
Do you trust YOUR GOVERNMENT?
Government works fine - it’s the politics engrained in it that are the problem.
Stan
Sep 13, 2021 10:16:14 #
Sep 13, 2021 10:21:45 #
I wonder if the same people who refuse to be v******ted because it violates their rights also refuse to be forced to get Driver Licenses. I don't see much dialog on the latter issue and frankly the same arguments could be put forward. I considered it a blessing to have been able to receive my doses of the v*****e and I am trying to see when I can get a booster shot. I am not too worried about the government inserting a chip in me when I get my shots; I figure they pretty well know where I am without the chip. 
Sep 13, 2021 10:23:25 #
AndyBob
Loc: St. Louis
Some UNV******TED and UNMASKED person K**LED my sister.
She had underlying conditions that made it worse, but if everyone she came in contact with was v******ted and wore a mask she'd probably still be alive. She was v******ted (twice), wore a mask everywhere, sanitized all surfaces touched by others with wipes, sprayed the air (with Lysol) when someone left her office space, even had clean pen / used pen cups on her desk.
Masking costs you nothing and stops you from doing nothing.
V*****es are like speed limits, seatbelts, drivers licenses, etc. - they are required for the greater good. Even if they're not effective, using them won't hurt you, and if they are effective the result will be immeasurable.
Save someone elses sister (maybe your own). Get v******ted, and wear a mask (over mouth and nose)...
She had underlying conditions that made it worse, but if everyone she came in contact with was v******ted and wore a mask she'd probably still be alive. She was v******ted (twice), wore a mask everywhere, sanitized all surfaces touched by others with wipes, sprayed the air (with Lysol) when someone left her office space, even had clean pen / used pen cups on her desk.
Masking costs you nothing and stops you from doing nothing.
V*****es are like speed limits, seatbelts, drivers licenses, etc. - they are required for the greater good. Even if they're not effective, using them won't hurt you, and if they are effective the result will be immeasurable.
Save someone elses sister (maybe your own). Get v******ted, and wear a mask (over mouth and nose)...
Sep 13, 2021 10:25:33 #
Bison Bud wrote:
Like many others out there, I don't much care for ... (show quote)
George Washington mandated the smallpox v*****e "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army....we should have more to dread from it, than the Sword of the Enemy" Words of Wisdom
Sep 13, 2021 10:33:09 #
David Martin
Loc: Cary, NC
The v*****e vs. freedom, and masks vs. freedom, arguments seem somehow familiar.
Are you old enough to remember those who argued against wearing seat belts when they were introduced into cars, because it infringed on their personal freedom? And even those who claimed that seat belts k**led more people than they saved? Or those who refuse to wear helmets when riding motorcycles or bicycles because it infringes on their personal liberty?
Are you old enough to remember those who argued against wearing seat belts when they were introduced into cars, because it infringed on their personal freedom? And even those who claimed that seat belts k**led more people than they saved? Or those who refuse to wear helmets when riding motorcycles or bicycles because it infringes on their personal liberty?
Sep 13, 2021 10:34:05 #
craneman wrote:
It is pretty hard to trust a v*****e when the president, Joe Biden and the vice president, Kamala Harris both said on national TV that they would not get the v*****e that Trump had anything to do with.
??? Even if true (never heard of it), that is a breathtakingly poor argument for taking care of each other and ourselves.
And Trump was very distant from these v*****es.
Sep 13, 2021 10:37:07 #
The Better Half and I got the two-jab v******tion and I was tested last week to be "crisp and clean". I will say that without a doubt that the jabs were nothing compared to getting the test. That SUCKED BIG TIME.
I've learned a long time ago that we can only control one side of any situation and that is 'my side'. If I resolve that I cannot control others then the jab is for my protection against those that do not get theirs. Only time will tell how effective the v*****e is however for a little stick the alternative could be life-ending.
I've learned a long time ago that we can only control one side of any situation and that is 'my side'. If I resolve that I cannot control others then the jab is for my protection against those that do not get theirs. Only time will tell how effective the v*****e is however for a little stick the alternative could be life-ending.
Sep 13, 2021 10:52:03 #
jackm1943 wrote:
I agree totally. Why aren't these phonies also protesting the requirement for school kids to be v******ted for polio, measles, etc, etc? And back in the day, smallpox? Why aren't they protesting company's requirement to wear shoes or be clothed before coming into the store? And on and on.
Sep 13, 2021 10:54:25 #
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
George Washington mandated the smallpox v*****e "Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army....we should have more to dread from it, than the Sword of the Enemy" Words of Wisdom
When did he do this, since the v*****e was not developed until 1796?
Sep 13, 2021 10:55:29 #
craneman wrote:
It is pretty hard to trust a v*****e when the president, Joe Biden and the vice president, Kamala Harris both said on national TV that they would not get the v*****e that Trump had anything to do with.
They'd cut off their nose to spite their face too.
Sep 13, 2021 11:00:53 #
Charlie157
Loc: San Diego, CA
It all depends on how you define patriotism. In my thinking patriotism is not how you stand and cover your heart as you recite a pledge. Patriotism, to me, are the countless U.S. citizens who joined the armed services, knowing full well that the could lose a limb, become disfigured, or even die, in order to protect their fellow Americans and their country.
Remember JFK's famous speech where he ended with "Ask not what your country can do for you, but, what you can do for your country "
About C***D, it was a purely selfish reason that I got v******te d. I didn't want to be sick. I'm in my 70's and have health issues. If I didn't have those issues to contend with I would still get a shot.
As long as we allow the v***s to infect others, we are allowing the v***s to replicate, and in doing so increase the v***s's chance to mutate into a v***s that our v*****es cannot defend against.
My two cents.
Remember JFK's famous speech where he ended with "Ask not what your country can do for you, but, what you can do for your country "
About C***D, it was a purely selfish reason that I got v******te d. I didn't want to be sick. I'm in my 70's and have health issues. If I didn't have those issues to contend with I would still get a shot.
As long as we allow the v***s to infect others, we are allowing the v***s to replicate, and in doing so increase the v***s's chance to mutate into a v***s that our v*****es cannot defend against.
My two cents.
Sep 13, 2021 11:06:27 #
SteveR wrote:
When did he do this, since the v*****e was not developed until 1796?
It was called variolation at the time. The process was not like modern day inoculations. The took a sample of the sores of the infected and scratched or inhaled the pathogen. Smallox was called the "Variola V***s" In 1796 Jenner invented the inoculation form as we know it now.
Sep 13, 2021 11:07:58 #
Biden is being totally hypocritical in his passing of the mandates. I'm not saying that he does not have the power to invoke some of them. Others are an overreach. If he was so concerned about the spread of C***d that he wanted to issue these mandates, then he'd either shut the border or v******te every illegal coming across.
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