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Sep 13, 2021 11:12:09   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Jerry, take your phone camera and shoot the wording on the screen when you turn the fan off.

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Sep 13, 2021 11:18:20   #
Dannj
 
Gremlins

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Sep 13, 2021 11:18:30   #
HOHIMER
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I wish the text had stayed on the screen long enough for me to read it. All I could see was "HDMI." I think it did this three times, but three days in a row - although not last night.

I'm not sadistic enough to torture my electrics with all that on and off.


Make a video of the screen so you can slow it down in a video editor.

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Sep 13, 2021 11:26:01   #
sheldon minsky Loc: iron mountain michigan
 
The curse of the Catskills.

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Sep 13, 2021 11:31:39   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
JBRIII wrote:
Probably due to interference feeding into HDMI cable (Come in various grades). First UPS is specifically designed to prevent spikes into devices besides providing power. I always thought all devices on UPS ran from batteries with them being constantly recharged, prevents transfer of power problems when power fails, already running off batteries.
2nd, don't all motors generate magnetic fields/have magnets? Principle of things: electricity/magnetic field = spinning rotor or spinning magnet/coil = generator?
Third, sometime turn off power to UPS and see if it keeps anything running. Cheap batteries wear out quickly in them, very possible batteries bad and getting power change or such as fan goes off or on. Always found out at work that batteries bad after power outages.
Jim
Probably due to interference feeding into HDMI cab... (show quote)


Most UPS systems run on line power while keeping the battery in standby mode. Upon power interruption the inverter very quickly picks up the load (within a portion of one cycle).

I believe the HSMI connection is usually to a computer to trigger an orderly shut down. Since there is no computer to shut down in this case perhaps the UPS is looking for a connection.

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Sep 13, 2021 11:36:56   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
This is a weird one!

About a year ago, a series of rapid power failures killed my TV. When I got a new one, I hooked it up to an APC UPS battery backup, along with Tivo, Roku, etc. When the hot weather hit, I plugged a fan into the plug-in strip. Here's the weird part. If I shut off the fan while the TV is on, the show is interrupted, and I get a flashing black screen with lots of writing. It flickers on and off very rapidly, so I can't read it, but I see something about HDMI. After less than a minute, the TV goes back to normal.

I suspect it has something to do with the fact that a magnetic motor is involved, and that's spinning down with the fan. Let the explanations begin!
This is a weird one! br br About a year ago, a se... (show quote)


How old is your house and the wiring in it? Have you had work done on any of the electrical circuits by people that weren't qualified electricians? The reason I ask is because my sister had a lot of work done in her house by a handyman that cut into a lot of lighting circuits and has caused some electrical gremlins. One circuit above her dining table for a light had about 5 different (white) neutral wires and when I touched one of them I got shocked. That led me to think he used that lighting circuit for something else and now the neutral is NOT balanced. Circuits that are not balanced can cause all kinds of weird things to happen.

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Sep 13, 2021 13:25:30   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
This is a weird one!

About a year ago, a series of rapid power failures killed my TV. When I got a new one, I hooked it up to an APC UPS battery backup, along with Tivo, Roku, etc. When the hot weather hit, I plugged a fan into the plug-in strip. Here's the weird part. If I shut off the fan while the TV is on, the show is interrupted, and I get a flashing black screen with lots of writing. It flickers on and off very rapidly, so I can't read it, but I see something about HDMI. After less than a minute, the TV goes back to normal.

I suspect it has something to do with the fact that a magnetic motor is involved, and that's spinning down with the fan. Let the explanations begin!
This is a weird one! br br About a year ago, a se... (show quote)


Set up a camera to take a long exposure of the TV screen, open the shutter a fraction of a second after shutting off the fan. The long exposure may then capture the writing on the TV screen and therein may be your resolution to the problem. And there are magnets involved in an AC current motor, there are electro magnets that change polarity with the alternating current flowing trough them.

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Sep 13, 2021 13:42:54   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
How old is your house and the wiring in it? Have you had work done on any of the electrical circuits by people that weren't qualified electricians? The reason I ask is because my sister had a lot of work done in her house by a handyman that cut into a lot of lighting circuits and has caused some electrical gremlins. One circuit above her dining table for a light had about 5 different (white) neutral wires and when I touched one of them I got shocked. That led me to think he used that lighting circuit for something else and now the neutral is NOT balanced. Circuits that are not balanced can cause all kinds of weird things to happen.
How old is your house and the wiring in it? Have ... (show quote)


Not sure what you mean by "balanced" neutral. Usually the neutral is grounded.

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Sep 13, 2021 16:25:09   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
I don't have any idea about your TV problem Jerry, but I can say that since I've been a member here you have both bought more new pieces of technology and more of it has broken that anyone I've ever heard of. Good for you for keeping your sense of humor. I would have driven out and burned down Silicon valley by now with all the crap you've had to deal with.

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Sep 14, 2021 06:08:43   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
This strange behavior began a few days ago, but it didn't happen last night, so unplugging the fan would have uncertain results.


Plug into a different receptacle.

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Sep 14, 2021 06:54:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bamfordr wrote:
I HATE intermittent.


Everyone does. "Well, it's running fine now."

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Sep 14, 2021 06:56:42   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Picture Taker wrote:
Jerry, take your phone camera and shoot the wording on the screen when you turn the fan off.


"Phone camera"? Surely you jest. I have my D750 right buy my chair, set to shoot continuously. Unfortunately, as soon as the TV saw the camera, it stopped misbehaving.

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Sep 14, 2021 20:52:32   #
RiJoRi Loc: Sandy Ridge, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
"Phone camera"? Surely you jest. I have my D750 right buy my chair, set to shoot continuously. Unfortunately, as soon as the TV saw the camera, it stopped misbehaving.


Ah! Like the "technician effect"! (Also seen in humans, but called the "doctor effect" - you walk into the doc's feeling lousy, and by the time you get to the receptionist, all symptoms have disappeared!) 😱

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Sep 15, 2021 06:22:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
RiJoRi wrote:
Ah! Like the "technician effect"! (Also seen in humans, but called the "doctor effect" - you walk into the doc's feeling lousy, and by the time you get to the receptionist, all symptoms have disappeared!) 😱


Exactly. It hasn't acted weird since I posted about it here.

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Sep 15, 2021 07:30:16   #
HOHIMER
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Exactly. It hasn't acted weird since I posted about it here.


The group on here can fix almost anything!

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