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Sep 10, 2021 10:26:20   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Gene51 wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I have always regarded "Location Portraiture" as going to an interesting location with a subject/model and using creativity and imagination to create an interesting portrait of the individual while incorporating the surroundings. Staircases/stairwells, tunnels/underpasses, urban settings (walls, doorways/building entrances, etc), cafe/bar/restaurant, park benches, flower gardens, footbridges, boats, fountains, seashores/water features, abandoned properties, barn doors, chain link or metal fences, graffiti-covered walls - just about anything can be used as an environment for interesting locations. Think about location photography as if it were street photography with a lot of planning involved.

Using a paper/cloth/vinyl background sort of defeats the entire concept of location portraiture.

Neil van Niekirk has a ton of location portraiture (mostly wedding, but he does have other stuff) on his website:

https://neilvn.com/tangents/


Your needs for product photography will likely be determined by the client's desires. Just make sure you have them pay for stuff that they want.

Also, keep in mind that there is more to location photography than just whipping out a camera and taking a few pictures. You may be at a venue that requires permission, release(s), access fee, etc. You'll need to consider health and safety of all involved if shooting live subjects, obvious stuff like weather, time of day for sun location, etc.
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Good points Gene!

Possible a terminology issue. For me, "location" work simply means working away from the studio. Environmental portraiture (or fashion, product) is another animal. This, of course, is my own interpretation and I don't want to foist it on anyone else. It's just how I explain it to my clients. That's because the latter takes more time, effort and planning and costs more money.

An environmental portrait utilizes the existing location in telling the story. It can be used to reflect a subject's profession, job, lifestyle, or where the background and surroundings become an important element in the shot rater that a distraction. The background can be SUGGESTED by keeping it out of focus, it can be abstracted by using "bokeh" techniques or it can be tack-sharp by the savvy use of a wide-angle lens. And yes. it requires planning OR a whole lot of fast thinking and improvisation.

Setting up a mobile studio "on location" is simply that- lights, background and camera. I have done that frequently for corporate portrait assignments where logistics prohibit 20 or more folks from coming to my studio in a timely fashion. So, they are corraled at an annual meeting, convention, etc., and I knock off dozens of headshots, etc.

Many times at weddings or family portrait jobs, I am called to an unknown location for an "outdoor" shoot and am assured that the location is "beautiful" And yes., grandma's garden is lovely if you view it from the roof, otherwise the property borders on a junkyard on one side and the neighbour's treehouse the other. Or, there is an abrupt change in the weather. I always have a portable background in the car.

I have used green screen and for many years, front projection. There are great methods but I found that oftentimes it tasks more time and effort to make the background look authentic than actually seeking out a good location.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:47:14   #
pendennis
 
From my portrait-taking days, I relied on the subjects' environment to determine the background, and it always required a great deal of planning. For instance, I had occasion to photograph subjects in numerous office settings, some bright, some mid-toned, and some downright dark; many with mixed lighting (fluorescent, incandescent, electronic flash, and even "hot" lights).

A single session includes the foregoing, as well as the dress of the subject. The man who insisted on a blue seersucker suit in a dark paneled office was a real challenge.

My reference library included a couple of editions of Kodak's professional photo guides on portraiture. They supplemented my own notes and drawings on light placement, power settings, etc. I also studied coffee table books, and figured out the lighting, poses, background, etc.

Studio work was far easier, since I controlled the environment, but location and environmental were the most pleasing.

Even though most portraiture has gone digital, the basics always apply. My wife and children were my models, as well as patient friends.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:55:51   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
A green background can be pretty much anything you want it to be, as long as the subject isn't also green.


Green screens are pretty good at detecting colors that we don't see as green. I see that a lot with Zoom meetings. The person and his clothing often disappear into the green background.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:09:22   #
bobbyjohn Loc: Dallas, TX
 
azted wrote:
As I start to develop a portrait photography business, I am thinking of purchasing a portable background for portrait and maybe product photography. My initial instinct is to buy a black background. But then in thinking about it, a white background can be made black with the appropriate camera setting when using flash. Can someone help in my analysis who is aiming at the same client base?

I read recently that Luminar Neo, set to come out in late 4Q2021 or early 2022, will have as one of its new features a "Background Replace" function for portraits....likely similar to "Sky Replace" in Luminar AI. Perhaps that would help you, with or without a green screen.
PS. I'm not a professional photographer as so many on UHH are.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:11:38   #
dandev Loc: Enumclaw, WA
 
Seamless paper is great. You can get a stand for around $100 - and a roll of black and white. I have a 10' wide roll that fits in my SUV. It was around $70. If it gets stepped on - tear that part off.
You don't need to iron paper - and it doesn't catch dog hair.

Try and use the location around you - with low f-stops to blur the backdrop.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:23:57   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
If you are seriously interested in GOOD portrait photography or better yet. really FINE portraiture, background management is important.

There is more to it than most casual or non-portrait shooters think. It is quite a bit more complex than black, white, or gray.

The function of the background is to isolate the subject(s) on a non-distracting field but yet add colour or tonal masse which provides separation, and dimensionality. The appropriate background for any given shot can also prove texture, suggest environments, and help create the "environment" or the illusion thereof. The background, properly toward the end with lighting and the clothing colour or shade can also help create the desired KEY.

It's difficult, for me, to recommend any specific style or kind of background unless I know what kind of work or style you aspire to produce. There are commercially available backgrounds start for seamless paper, to various kids of multicolored and painted backgrounds, to elaborate scenic backgrounds and in some cases, you can make, improvise or paint your own backgrounds. Any given background can be rendered in various ways depending on how it is lighted, the distance between the background and the subject, the degree of depth of field or lack thereof, and the focal length in use as well as the camera to subject distance.

Someof the common mistakes are using a painted "old masters" kida background and trying to simulate an oil painting- it always looks artificial. That same background can be used to create a masterpiece if it is used subtly to provided colour mass and separation with just a hint of pattern or texture. The same applies to a scenic background- it is used flat out in detail it can look artificial. If it is light properly and somewhat out of focus, it can suggest the environment and not look like a stage backdrop.

A good reliable supplier of photographic backgrounds is Denny Manufacturing. Here's a link: https://dennymfg.com/

They have many hundreds o styles sizes and materials- portables, studio, and big cyclorama the background that roll right down and over the floor.

Some commercial backgrounds are GAUDY and artificial-looking, but if used with some savvy, many of those can work.

If you are gonna start with a single background, I would recommend a multi-coloured brushstroke kinda model in a predominantly cooler colour blues and greens. That is because colder colours bring out the warmth in skin tones and provide better colour contrast. A warm background can provide a more monochromatic feeling.

You will need a size that is wide enough to handle individual portraits, couples and groups. If you intend to shoot groups and full-length portraits, you will need one with enough height as well.

What kinda lights do you have or intend to purchase? That would help in making suggestions and discussing background lightg specifically.

For pure white or black or any specific colour, you can use seamless paper.

Check out the Denny online selection and tell me/us what you prefer. I can tell you how to best use it.
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Thanks. A great and helpful reply. I checked out Denny and it reminds me of Savage who I saw at the WPPI show. The problem that brings up is an inventory investment that I do not think is wise at this moment. Certainly if I had a client who had a potential I would spend money in a heartbeat. Your idea of the colder colored abstract background is easy for me to do, as I am an artist and have plenty of canvas on hand to paint. But for one or two light (flashes right now) setups, for a location shoot, I am thinking of a quick setup like Impact is now offering. Certainly I will progress to finer portraits, but have to develop a clientele first with a simpler offering, and am not considering a studio at this moment.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:25:25   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
billnikon wrote:
Savage makes paper backgrounds in a variety of colors, I have listed only one type, they make many many colors.
They are inexpensive and you can also get a holder or make one.
I would suggest a multi colored background in shades of gray, that type be more multi functional.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/45478-REG/Savage_20_12_107_x_12yds_Background.html?sts=pi&pim=Y


Thanks, I will check that out!

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Sep 10, 2021 11:29:17   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Gene51 wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I have always regarded "Location Portraiture" as going to an interesting location with a subject/model and using creativity and imagination to create an interesting portrait of the individual while incorporating the surroundings. Staircases/stairwells, tunnels/underpasses, urban settings (walls, doorways/building entrances, etc), cafe/bar/restaurant, park benches, flower gardens, foot bridges, boats, fountains, seashores/water features, abandoned properties, barn doors, chain link or metal fences, graffiti-covered walls - just about anything can be used as an environment for interesting locations. Think about location photography as if it were street photography with a lot of planning involved.

Using a paper/cloth/vinyl background sort of defeats the entire concept of location portraiture.

Neil van Niekirk has a ton of location portraiture (mostly wedding, but he does have other stuff) on his website:

https://neilvn.com/tangents/


Your needs for product photography will likely be determined by the client's desires. Just make sure you have them pay for stuff that they want.

Also, keep in mind that there is more to location photography than just whipping out a camera and taking a few pictures. You may be at a venue which requires permission, release(s), access fee, etc. You'll need to consider health and safety of all involved if shooting live subjects, obvious stuff like weather, time of day for sun location, etc.
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Excellent advice, and I understand the difference between a scenic location and a corporate headshot situation. That is what I am primarily interested with in terms of this purchase. I have been training with other professionals for scenic locations, and have been studying their lighting techniques.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:37:35   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
dandev wrote:
Seamless paper is great. You can get a stand for around $100 - and a roll of black and white. I have a 10' wide roll that fits in my SUV. It was around $70. If it gets stepped on - tear that part off.
You don't need to iron paper - and it doesn't catch dog hair.

Try and use the location around you - with low f-stops to blur the backdrop.


I want to avoid paper. There are new stand up light resistant screens that are also pretty cheap. I'm now leaning towards white. Green scares me as it would be so garish to start off a photo with, and I'm not sure I want to set myself up for that much post processing when I am already going to have to do their face. I think I can control white, and or as E. L. said a painted abstract cold background on a canvas. Yes, the aperture controls the ambient light when using flash, so I'm onboard with that.

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Sep 10, 2021 13:11:53   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Gene51 wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I have always regarded "Location Portraiture" as going to an interesting location with a subject/model and using creativity and imagination to create an interesting portrait of the individual while incorporating the surroundings. Staircases/stairwells, tunnels/underpasses, urban settings (walls, doorways/building entrances, etc), cafe/bar/restaurant, park benches, flower gardens, foot bridges, boats, fountains, seashores/water features, abandoned properties, barn doors, chain link or metal fences, graffiti-covered walls - just about anything can be used as an environment for interesting locations. Think about location photography as if it were street photography with a lot of planning involved.

Using a paper/cloth/vinyl background sort of defeats the entire concept of location portraiture.

Neil van Niekirk has a ton of location portraiture (mostly wedding, but he does have other stuff) on his website:

https://neilvn.com/tangents/


Your needs for product photography will likely be determined by the client's desires. Just make sure you have them pay for stuff that they want.

Also, keep in mind that there is more to location photography than just whipping out a camera and taking a few pictures. You may be at a venue which requires permission, release(s), access fee, etc. You'll need to consider health and safety of all involved if shooting live subjects, obvious stuff like weather, time of day for sun location, etc.
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Thanks. I added Tangents to my reading list.

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Sep 10, 2021 13:14:58   #
elee950021 Loc: New York, NY
 
azted wrote:
As I start to develop a portrait photography business, I am thinking of purchasing a portable background for portrait and maybe product photography. My initial instinct is to buy a black background. But then in thinking about it, a white background can be made black with the appropriate camera setting when using flash. Can someone help in my analysis who is aiming at the same client base?


I highly recommend Savage Paper's: https://www.amazon.com/Savage-Travel-Backdrop-Kit-White/dp/B07SB2HNFL

I bought from B&H several years ago, 2 sets of the X-frame 5x7 backdrop kits which were half-priced as demo units. They were the full kit including the stand and 4 backdrops, white, grey, black and green in the original packing and I have used them at offices, hotels, galleries, etc and for impromptu portraits with setup in a corner or some other out-of-the-way place. Lightweight and easily relocatable. The kit comes in an easy-carry case.

You can use blue instead of green for dropping your subjects onto different backgrounds. Newer software has incorporated background replacement which makes things easier. Just throw the background a hair out of focus to replicate the shallower depth of field. You can also buy deeper 5x12' backdrops for full-length shots.

Wescott also has a similar kit: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/844695-REG/Westcott_578K_X_Drop_Kit_5_x.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=CjwKCAjwhOyJBhA4EiwAEcJdcZPRlYgXSN2LO_ik9SqUAEV-H-pG4tB3XAy5nquYFcL1dGP-g2_APxoC0hsQAvD_BwE

Be well! Ed


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Sep 10, 2021 13:15:07   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Green screens are pretty good at detecting colors that we don't see as green. I see that a lot with Zoom meetings. The person and his clothing often disappear into the green background.


I've been using the Chroma Key editor for years and it does an excellent job. It's designed to work primarily with green screen backgrounds but also works with other colors. It is very adaptable and easily adjusted.

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Sep 10, 2021 13:30:24   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
elee950021 wrote:
I highly recommend Savage Paper's: https://www.amazon.com/Savage-Travel-Backdrop-Kit-White/dp/B07SB2HNFL

I bought from B&H several years ago, 2 sets of the X-frame 5x7 backdrop kits which were half-priced as demo units. They were the full kit including the stand and 4 backdrops, white, grey, black and green in the original packing and I have used them at offices, hotels, galleries, etc and for impromptu portraits with setup in a corner or some other out-of-the-way place. Lightweight and easily relocatable. The kit comes in an easy-carry case.

You can use blue instead of green for dropping your subjects onto different backgrounds. Newer software has incorporated background replacement which makes things easier. Just throw the background a hair out of focus to replicate the shallower depth of field. You can also buy deeper 5x12' backdrops for full-length shots.

Wescott also has a similar kit: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/844695-REG/Westcott_578K_X_Drop_Kit_5_x.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=CjwKCAjwhOyJBhA4EiwAEcJdcZPRlYgXSN2LO_ik9SqUAEV-H-pG4tB3XAy5nquYFcL1dGP-g2_APxoC0hsQAvD_BwE

Be well! Ed
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Those have an advantage in that you can buy additional colors of fabric for the same frame. The setup time is longer than for the Impact product. An additional problem with the fabric is background lighting can come through, like windows, etc. The fabric is not opaque. But I like the idea!

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Sep 10, 2021 15:07:49   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
Gene51 wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I have always regarded "Location Portraiture" as going to an interesting location with a subject/model and using creativity and imagination to create an interesting portrait of the individual while incorporating the surroundings. Staircases/stairwells, tunnels/underpasses, urban settings (walls, doorways/building entrances, etc), cafe/bar/restaurant, park benches, flower gardens, foot bridges, boats, fountains, seashores/water features, abandoned properties, barn doors, chain link or metal fences, graffiti-covered walls - just about anything can be used as an environment for interesting locations. Think about location photography as if it were street photography with a lot of planning involved.

Using a paper/cloth/vinyl background sort of defeats the entire concept of location portraiture.

Neil van Niekirk has a ton of location portraiture (mostly wedding, but he does have other stuff) on his website:

https://neilvn.com/tangents/


Your needs for product photography will likely be determined by the client's desires. Just make sure you have them pay for stuff that they want.

Also, keep in mind that there is more to location photography than just whipping out a camera and taking a few pictures. You may be at a venue which requires permission, release(s), access fee, etc. You'll need to consider health and safety of all involved if shooting live subjects, obvious stuff like weather, time of day for sun location, etc.
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That’s where I come from as well!

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Sep 10, 2021 15:09:48   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Thanks go out to all of you for the intelligent replies. I ended up ordering an Impact Pro Rapid 5'x7' White portable background, and a Westcott X-Drop background 5'x12', and some clamps. I am going to experiment with adding the Westcott fabric onto the Impact product using clamps and adhesive clips. This way I have a white and a grey background, and if the Rube Goldberg situation does not work, I can always buy the X-Drop support, or return something.

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