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Sep 10, 2021 08:25:13   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cspear42 wrote:
I just purchased the new 24" iMac with M1 chip having made the switch from pc to Apple. I have never used apple's Photo program and was curious if anyone recommends this program for photo editing.


Congrats on your M1 purchase from a LONG-time Mac and Windows user (since 1985 for Macs, and since Windows 3 on PCs). I just bought an M1 MacBook Air and a 27" LG monitor and a few other goodies to replace my Late 2013 iMac. I love it.

Photos works great — UNTIL you try to find your original files, which it squirrels away in a “package” file in the Pictures folder (Photos Library.photoslibrary). You can open that with the "Show Package Contents" option in the Get Info panel, accessed by right-clicking or control-clicking on the package file.

I prefer the $10/month Adobe Photography Plan. (I use Lightroom CLASSIC and Photoshop 2021, with ACR and Bridge). But if you use Photos, you can add Raw Power and Affinity Photo to extend its capabilities greatly, for $100 or less, total.

Raw Power is a plug-in that can be used as a stand-alone app. Find it in the App Store. It is a raw file converter that uses MacOS' latest updates to decode nearly all raw file formats.

Affinity Photo is a bitmap editor, sort of a "baby Photoshop." Buy it on the Serif website, where (If you scroll ALL the way to the bottom of the Affinity Photo page linked below) you can get a free trial.

https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/

Lemkesoft Graphic Converter 11 is a great tool for batch resizing, renaming, converting file formats, cull editing and sorting, and much more. I have used it since 1993! It is shareware, so you can try it and decide whether to buy it, with no time limits. Buying unlocks features and gets you into the program faster.

https://www.lemkesoft.de/en/image-editing-slideshow-browser-batch-conversion-metadata-and-more-on-your-mac

I also use Fotor (in the App Store), Epson Scan 2 (came with my office scanner), and the Negative Lab Pro plug-in for Lightroom Classic. Negative Lab Pro lets me copy film negatives with a digital camera, which is faster than under $2000 scanners, and arguably better.

https://www.negativelabpro.com

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Sep 10, 2021 08:48:36   #
cspear42 Loc: New Mexico
 
Thank you to all for your recommendations and comments. I have been trying photos for a few days now and I find it quick and easy; however limited. I will look at other programs suggested.

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Sep 10, 2021 09:25:27   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
The manufacturer of your digital camera offers you a better selection for editing your photos. Apple offered then destroyed Aperture, a very good program. Apple is under the idea that THEY, not YOU should decide what you want. Their claim is the Photos is a superior editing program. Your post may offer a different opinion.

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Sep 10, 2021 09:49:13   #
Moondoggie Loc: Southern California
 
I have been using it for a couple of years editing RAW photos. It works well and pretty easy to learn. I’m sure it’s not as powerful as LR or PS, but it’s free and does a decent job. Try it, it comes with your system.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:00:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
davidrb wrote:
The manufacturer of your digital camera offers you a better selection for editing your photos. Apple offered then destroyed Aperture, a very good program. Apple is under the idea that THEY, not YOU should decide what you want. Their claim is the Photos is a superior editing program. Your post may offer a different opinion.


If the camera manufacturer writes their OWN code, then their free app is a decent place to start, especially for raw file conversion, because no one knows their color science like they do. (Canon and Nikon make good examples of this. Canon DPP is especially good.)

Some of the smaller camera manufacturers have abandoned the software they shipped with their cameras a few years back, and the developers of that software moved on. SilkyPix is a good example... The free version that last worked with Lumix GH4 raw files is totally incompatible with the last few MacOS releases. Their latest version will work, but you have to pay for it.

What became of Apple Aperture are two apps: Apple Photos, and Gentlemen Coders' Raw Power. A part of the team who wrote Aperture went out on their own to write Raw Power. It is the essentially the raw processing engine that was in Aperture. It works as a stand-alone or as a plug-in. It uses Apple's camera profiles and other technologies of the hardware and OS. Apple took bits and pieces of iPhoto and Aperture and re-structured them in a more consumer-oriented Photos. It's more powerful than iPhoto, less versatile than Aperture, and its main strength is its very tight integration with iCloud and Photos on iPads and iPhones. I use it for my iPhone photos. My serious work goes into Lightroom Classic. Occasionally, I'll export originals from Photos to use them in Lightroom Classic and Photoshop.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:10:26   #
Hip Coyote
 
burkphoto wrote:
Congrats on your M1 purchase from a LONG-time Mac and Windows user (since 1985 for Macs, and since Windows 3 on PCs). I just bought an M1 MacBook Air and a 27" LG monitor and a few other goodies to replace my Late 2013 iMac. I love it.

Photos works great — UNTIL you try to find your original files, which it squirrels away in a “package” file in the Pictures folder (Photos Library.photoslibrary). You can open that with the "Show Package Contents" option in the Get Info panel, accessed by right-clicking or control-clicking on the package file.

I prefer the $10/month Adobe Photography Plan. (I use Lightroom CLASSIC and Photoshop 2021, with ACR and Bridge). But if you use Photos, you can add Raw Power and Affinity Photo to extend its capabilities greatly, for $100 or less, total.

Raw Power is a plug-in that can be used as a stand-alone app. Find it in the App Store. It is a raw file converter that uses MacOS' latest updates to decode nearly all raw file formats.

Affinity Photo is a bitmap editor, sort of a "baby Photoshop." Buy it on the Serif website, where (If you scroll ALL the way to the bottom of the Affinity Photo page linked below) you can get a free trial.

https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/

Lemkesoft Graphic Converter 11 is a great tool for batch resizing, renaming, converting file formats, cull editing and sorting, and much more. I have used it since 1993! It is shareware, so you can try it and decide whether to buy it, with no time limits. Buying unlocks features and gets you into the program faster.

https://www.lemkesoft.de/en/image-editing-slideshow-browser-batch-conversion-metadata-and-more-on-your-mac

I also use Fotor (in the App Store), Epson Scan 2 (came with my office scanner), and the Negative Lab Pro plug-in for Lightroom Classic. Negative Lab Pro lets me copy film negatives with a digital camera, which is faster than under $2000 scanners, and arguably better.

https://www.negativelabpro.com
Congrats on your M1 purchase from a LONG-time Mac ... (show quote)


Leave it to Burke for good info. Usually spot on. I agree. I switched to Mac and just used
My LR and PS subscription. And all subscription services. With the exception of Quicken, all was seamless. ‘’Twer me I’d just use the LR and PS and concentrate on that.

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Sep 10, 2021 10:14:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
Leave it to Burke for good info. Usually spot on. I agree. I switched to Mac and just used
My LR and PS subscription. And all subscription services. With the exception of Quicken, all was seamless. ‘’Twer me I’d just use the LR and PS and concentrate on that.


Thanks!

Quicken is great on Windows. The Mac version is a POS.

Hopefully, Microsoft will license Windows 11 for ARM, so we can run it on M1 and all forthcoming Apple Silicon Macs. There's a developer preview edition that can run under Parallels Desktop 17 now, but it's not an official release.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:00:07   #
wet3843
 
I’m tired of the snarky comments frequently posted on this website.

There are lots of good comments and photos but I am tired of the negative comments by some Hoggers.

Enough said

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Sep 10, 2021 11:04:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
wet3843 wrote:
I’m tired of the snarky comments frequently posted on this website.

There are lots of good comments and photos but I am tired of the negative comments by some Hoggers.

Enough said



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Sep 10, 2021 11:41:56   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
davidrb wrote:
The manufacturer of your digital camera offers you a better selection for editing your photos. Apple offered then destroyed Aperture, a very good program. Apple is under the idea that THEY, not YOU should decide what you want. Their claim is the Photos is a superior editing program. Your post may offer a different opinion.


Apple - I love their products, hardware that is, but hate their politics.

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Sep 10, 2021 11:45:33   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
twosummers wrote:
Apple M1 chip machines are incredible - I have a new M1 MacBook with 16gb RAM and S/S HDD. Compared to my 2017 iMac it's lightyears ahead. The Apple Photos App is really quite powerful and accepts add-ins too. Having said that the M1 machine can run just about everything at speeds you won't have dreamed of.


You got that right...

My MacBook Air (8 CPU cores, 8 GPU cores, 16 neural engine cores, 16GB Unified Memory, and 1TB SSD) SMOKES my Late 2013 iMac with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD. It is probably all I need for the next five to seven years. It is amazing. Reviewer after reviewer on YouTube have sung its praises for the last ten months. Even the base entry level model is quite a capable machine.

I just exported a 195MB 16-bit ProPhoto RGB TIFF file as an 8-bit sRGB JPEG in well under two seconds!

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Sep 10, 2021 12:00:00   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
wet3843 wrote:
I’m tired of the snarky comments frequently posted on this website.

There are lots of good comments and photos but I am tired of the negative comments by some Hoggers.

Enough said


Agreed! Those who profess to know it all invariably don't...

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Sep 10, 2021 12:27:54   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Chadp wrote:
Apple Photos is a decent editor for RAW if you are not doing batch editing. The issue that I have is that I primarily use Apple photos for sharing only photos that I want to share among my desktop, iPad and iPhone or with family using Apple’s photo sharing. So only maybe 20% of my photos make it to Apple photos. But when I start adding RAW photos to be converted there is no way to keep those photos from automatically being shared to my other devices unless I move them back out of photos once done editing. So the RAW format files clutter up and slow down the access from my other devices, and also can greatly increase my cell phone data usage if I am doing anything with Apple photos on my iPhone while not on WiFi.

But it is a simple/ quick editor that will do a good job with RAW files. I just don’t think Apple has put enough effort into the workflow of converting from RAW to jpg combined with their photo sharing / iCloud features.
Apple Photos is a decent editor for RAW if you are... (show quote)


See my other posts here. You need Raw Power from Gentlemen Coders. It is in the App Store. Go read about it.

Also, it is possible to control where your images go from your devices. Use Apple Image Capture to set the application that opens when you connect a particular device.

https://support.apple.com/guide/image-capture/welcome/mac

I download all my iPhone files to specific folders using Image Capture. I copy all other photos to specific folders with drag and drop. Then I import from these folders into Lightroom Classic.

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Sep 10, 2021 12:40:01   #
Bushpilot Loc: Minnesota
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I would be in his camp. I'm not considering an M1 since I've been using Windows for 40 years now without problems, but even if I were to get one I would stick with what works for me (LR/PS). I have no reason to try something new and it's not because I'm not curious. It's just because my reflexes and muscle memory is defined by the software I use now and have been using for a long time. At my age, reflexes rule. And it's not because I can't learn new things. I learned to program in Python last year. It's because I don't see any point to learning different things when I have something that works, and works well.

I considered the M1 a few months ago. But I looked at reviews and decided it was not going to add enough to offset the inconvenience of switching systems from Windows to Mac.

When you switch software there are consequences. Editors are not identical. Each one has its own methods and quirks. To use the software properly you have to understand all the details. If you want to go back and re-edit something you did 5-10 years ago, you may have to start over from scratch.

Youth is addicted to new things. Switching from one system to another is like what your stockbroker does: frequent trades to maximize his fees. It's called 'Churning'.

If a new thing has a feature that I consider important, I will consider switching. But I have not seen new features that have enticed me. (The same comment applies to camera bodies. I have been tempted by bodies that offer focus bracketing. But it is not sufficiently important to me to consider another camera purchase).
I would be in his camp. I'm not considering an M1 ... (show quote)


I'm with you on this one, quite happy with PS and LrC.

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Sep 10, 2021 12:59:17   #
Grey Ghost
 
Have YOU tried it out? I would like to hear your thoughts about it.

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