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Aug 21, 2021 20:59:02   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
Lucian wrote:
Despite what you think, he is absolutely correct, you don't need to be shooting a wedding unless you really know what you are doing. Otherwise for the most part, the bride and groom will be wasting their money. Unless of course they are paying the $500 deal for three thousand images on a disk. Then they get what they deserve. I will gues that you have never been a professional wedding photographer from your comment to poster who said to keep hobbyists out of wedding work.


IN my area we have a guy that charges $150 to shoot a wedding.
Oh the storieds ive hear about that guy.
You get 2 hours, you can pay for more time but must do it before hand as he goes to other weddings.
How you can shot a wedding in 2 hours i'll never know.

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Aug 21, 2021 21:03:57   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I hear you, but there really are top veteran pros who would rather face a riot than shoot a wedding. I still am willing to do weddings for the economic benefit to my business. I enjoy some of the themed ones best. See golf wedding shot below. The Couple first met at this gold course, so they got married there and I made some shots on the greens, they loved them.

But I would never do it fulltime. I would get bored, I like shooting all subjects and assignments, always have. lol


I have shot weddings at golf courses, the make great backgrounds.

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Aug 21, 2021 23:12:21   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Love your stories and your experience. Would love to trade stories sometime in person.

I have been doing it 47+ years as a pro. One of my mentors was photojournalist David Kennerly who won a Pulitzer for his war coverage in Vietnam, and later was my boss as I was a white house photo intern picked by him briefly back in 1976, before they cut the white house staff budget during the campaign of fiscal one-upmanship between GOP Pres. Ford and Dem. Presidential Candidate Jimmy Carter and my internship was cut short after a few weeks working in the white house. Cheers
Love your stories and your experience. Would love ... (show quote)


Love to meet someday!

Politics and politicians sometimes mess up everybody's life. JFK and LBJ messed up mine- ended up in Vietnam! Jerry and Jimmy interfered with your education- bummer!

David Kennerly is a great photographer. I did not know the White Hose photography was cut along withte other staff cuts. Over the years, I ran a few of them while covering presidential visits up here in Canada. That job must come with enormous responsibilities. Even your cut-short internship must have been an exciting and great learning expeeeince.

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Aug 22, 2021 09:00:59   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
And precisely why I don't do weddings. When I ask my pro buds that do weddings, they swear you have be a bloody mind reader portfolios be damned. You give them what they ask for and then want something different after the fact. Contract or not, when they don't get what they really wanted(not necessarily asked for) the entire job turns to a muddled pissing contest with lots of re-work which often does get paid for.

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Aug 22, 2021 09:02:20   #
Tdearing Loc: Rockport, TX
 
Having read of your ordeal together with the experiences of the other Hogs, I think its time for a co-authored: "A Hogs Wedding Adventure Book". Funny stories.

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Aug 22, 2021 09:24:24   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Tdearing wrote:
Having read of your ordeal together with the experiences of the other Hogs, I think its time for a co-authored: "A Hogs Wedding Adventure Book". Funny stories.


If only they were funny! ;)

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Aug 22, 2021 10:11:46   #
KoniOmegaflex Loc: Central KY
 
bdk wrote:
This past week I shot another wedding. it was a beach wedding, The sun was low making harsh shadows, There was 2 garbage cans chained to a flag pole which was directly behind the path set up for the bride to walk. There were signs on the dunes, on the wood boardwalk. There was large buildings behind that.
The sky was gray not blue, ( thank god for sky replacement )
the brides maid decided she should stick her tongue out non stop thinking it was funny.

The grooms mother was late the wedding had started. I didnt get a pic of her coming down the isle, she snuck down the side ( kind of hard to hide on the beach. )
When I did photos after the ceremony, the Grooms mother got up and left. I had one pic of her and it wasnt good.

I sent a few pix to the brides mother The bride was very heavy, the mother was heavy, She was not happy with those pix saying she looked fat. ( that was after I had did my best to make her look thinner while shooting and while editing)
Editing is a bitch , removing all the signs and garbage cans, the wind was blowing so lots of hair editing.

So you know how my week is going . I'm sure you have some great photo stories, lets hear them,
This past week I shot another wedding. it was a ... (show quote)


My wife and I shot a number of weddings before deciding, "Wow! This is a lot of work" and went another direction. We ended up with a good relationship with all the brides and their families but we did have a couple of little problems to overcome.
One bride to be was slightly older than the typical young bride. This was the second wedding for this lady. She was in her early thirties with two daughters. She told us right up front that she had never had a photograph that she was pleased with. That was certainly encouraging. I used a weak soft focus filter for all the shots and she liked most of them.
We shot another wedding in a church that was not a church we were familiar with and not the church of the couple getting married. Not sure why that church was chosen. The sanctuary was extremely dark and we couldn't use flash to get shots of the processional--church rule, not the couples. No flash during the service which began with the first bridesmaid walking down the aisle. The young lady at our local camera store gave me a great idea. Immediately after the presentation of the newly wed couple to the congregation, I had the minister ask the congregation to remain seated for about ten minutes while we "staged" the processional. That way the photos weren't in an empty church. He didn't want to do it. I told him that either he would do it or I would. He did and as the congregation was made up of family and friends, no one objected. We got the photos, bride was happy, we were happy.
One last problem solved. A prospective bride lived in another town, had two hour limousine service gift to come to church in our town for her wedding. We were going to get about 15 minutes to shoot the wedding. We just said no and didn't do it.
All's well that ends well.

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Aug 22, 2021 10:28:09   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
PAR4DCR wrote:
At least it wasn't raining!!

Don


Or a seagull wasn't crapping on the bride.

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Aug 22, 2021 10:52:09   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Our society has become more overwhelmed with people with an enhanced sense of entitlement and self-importance, not to mention increasing unrealistic expectations. I would hate to be a wedding photographer these days!

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Aug 22, 2021 11:01:22   #
GerryER Loc: Virginia USA
 
RodeoMan wrote:
How did you become a professional? Or were you born, so to speak, straight into the profession? You write, "Experience teaches the professionals how to handle all situations resulting in professional results" Were you an amateur before "experience" taught you? There was another response to OP by a long time photographer whose answer was a helpful sharing of how to handle difficult situations and, more importantly, was a demonstration of empathetic decency.




There's a saying, "Good judgment comes from experience, which comes from bad judgment!"

Also, "The only difference between an amateur and a professional is the professional knows how to hide his mistakes." (Show me someone who doesn't make mistakes, and I'll show you someone who doesn't do anything!)

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Aug 22, 2021 12:51:58   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I hate to say this but most of the aforementioned horror stores could have been prevented or worked around by an experienced professional wedding photograher.

Church rules prohibiting flash: Unless the place is in total darkness, with today's digital equipment, good representative images of the ceremony can be captured. Even in the olden days, I used to carry a roll of Royal-X Pan or ISO 500 Anscochrome and push process it, make internegatives and prints. Nowadays, all you need to do is jack up the IOS. Church rules and restrictions should be known well before the event. I have had many clergypeople do a fast restage of the ceremony if photography was entirely restricted during the actual ceremony. Rings, vows and blessings- 3 minutes! If the procession needs to be restaged, do it outside of the church or near the entrance door so you don't see empty pews.

Thereis no rule or law that says only young and pretty folks are allowed to get married. A good wedding shooter has to be prepared to cope with all kinds, ages, appearances, body types and previous material statuses. All birdes and grooms are entitled to nice wedding pictures regardless of their age, physical appearance and whether it's their first marriage or the third time around. That's the goal and you need to work at it!

Many folks, here, are complaining that wedding photography is "hard work"- As Gabby Hayes use to say in the movies, "you're darn tootin'! And it's even harder if you are not prepared and don't know exactly what you are doing! Weddings are not a smart undertaking for amateurs. If you are forced into it or want to help out friends who can't afford a pro, at least be honest and reduce their expectations.

Some photograhers have good skills but lack patience and worse, lack compassion. People are emotionally affected at weddings. The range of emotions is everything from joy to extreme nervousness and anxiety. You gotta know how to capture the joy and calm down the bad stuff. You have to instinctively know when to be assertive and when to step back and allow things to level off.

Even for the well-educated and trained, the first so the job can be stressful. My first solo job was an emergency. On a busy weekend in June, one of our staff shooters took sick and had to be hospatizized- acute appendicitis- surgery time! The boss told me to go home, put on my suit, took the kid out of the darkroom to assist me, packed us into a cab with a speed graphic, 60 holders, a strobe and a second light on a monopod and sent us off to a wedding. I did not have my driver's license as yet - I was 16 years old. I had second shot numerous weddings, set up groups and posed folks, draped gowns and veils and adjusted flowers- I know all the shots and exposures. We hitched a ride from the church to the reception with the limos. I shot every sheet of film and it was the 2 emergency film packs! The bride was not upset at our age- she was only 19. I was big for my age!

After the shoot, I thought of stopping off at the hospital- I was totally drained. I ran track in high school and never sweated as much! We got back to the studio at 2 AM, and the lights were on- I thought we had burglars to the top of the day. It was the boss- he was waiting up for us. We stripped the holders and processed 8 sheets- all was well! Monday morning the rest of the film was processed, proofs made, the couple was happy and made a big order, They never realized their photographers were the studio rookie and the kid who helped mix chemicals and clean the darkroom. I could not walk straight for a week! I had pains in muscles I didn't know I had! My home-room teacher suspected I was drinking- I was not!

Point is, the first few jobs, regardless of your training and experience, are gonna be tough. If you can't take a punch, don't get into the ring. I had 2 years of apprenticeship and training- 4 days a week after school and every day in the Summers. The first few jobs were a sweat! You can't expect to go out with pros twice or three times and lean the ropes. I would go out with the boss and he would, after a time, let me shoot all the shots at the bride's home, next time at the church, then at the reception. Back in the day, we shot mostly black and white and I would shadow shoot 3-D slides if they were ordered. Good practice- exposures had to be right on with Kodachrome! The boss sent me to seminars and classes. He insisted that I enter my prints into competitions and get critiques. I worked in that studio for 5 years thereafter- until I had to go into the service. Could have gone to medical school in that time period- I guess I didn't have the marks!

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Aug 22, 2021 13:30:58   #
RoswellNM Loc: SW Indiana
 
And of course, there’s the tanked preacher (who was hitting on a bridesmaid, age no more than 16!). With young kids of my own, I wasn’t going to be gone almost every weekend, so got out of the wedding part of the business.
Much preferred studio portrait work (more control), environmental portraits and the occasional reunion.

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Aug 22, 2021 14:21:37   #
Bill McKenna
 
The solution to all these issues is simple:
Don’t shoot weddings! I’ve done a few for family and friends, but there is no joy in it whatsoever. I hate the “checklist” aspect of the whole thing, and there are dozens of things out of your control. Photography is supposed to be fun!

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Aug 22, 2021 15:21:16   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
bdk wrote:
This past week I shot another wedding. it was a beach wedding, The sun was low making harsh shadows, There was 2 garbage cans chained to a flag pole which was directly behind the path set up for the bride to walk. There were signs on the dunes, on the wood boardwalk. There was large buildings behind that.
The sky was gray not blue, ( thank god for sky replacement )
the brides maid decided she should stick her tongue out non stop thinking it was funny.

The grooms mother was late the wedding had started. I didnt get a pic of her coming down the isle, she snuck down the side ( kind of hard to hide on the beach. )
When I did photos after the ceremony, the Grooms mother got up and left. I had one pic of her and it wasnt good.

I sent a few pix to the brides mother The bride was very heavy, the mother was heavy, She was not happy with those pix saying she looked fat. ( that was after I had did my best to make her look thinner while shooting and while editing)
Editing is a bitch , removing all the signs and garbage cans, the wind was blowing so lots of hair editing.

So you know how my week is going . Im sure you have some great photo stories, lets hear them,
This past week I shot another wedding. it was a ... (show quote)


I briefly considered being a wedding photographer but decided against it. I now spend weekends hitting myself in the head with a hammer. Much more rewarding and enjoyable.

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Aug 22, 2021 22:04:03   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I am sorry to hear of your bad expereince- the entire scene sounds like the stuff of nightmares. Believe me, after nearly 60-years in the wedding photography business. I would never attempt to Monday morning quarterback your story. If, however, you are wanting to continue shooting weddigs, I can suggest some workarounds for many of your issues with that bride, her mom and that location for hell.

I have had to photograhy many heavy brides, grooms and parents. Some were what the doctors term morbidly obese- a 500+ lb. groom and a petite bride, some of the girls weighed in at 3 or 4 hundred lbs. and some of this is genetic and the mommas and poppas were that weight category as well. Some folks are happy in their own skin or bodies and some are not. Someof the brides chose gowns that did not mitigate ther apparent size. I am not making fun of these folks and my approch is that they are entitled to the best wedding photography, aesthetically speaking, that I can produce. Usually, I have met my couples well in advance and can plan various strategies, make some suggestions as to makeup, hairstyles and perhaps some clothing ideas and at least, shoot an engagement session as a test to impress them as to how someof these concepts might work in ther favour.

This may soud bizarre, but I have hidden some of their girth behind trees, shot portraits famed in "Y" shaped tree trunks and branches, used foliage as vignetting, split lighting, and all sorts of shenanigans that worked but did not seem obvious and looked perfectly natural. I have shot through doorways, windows, car window frames, candelabra, flowers, wedding cakes- whatever I could use for foreground framing.

Many of these folks had absolutely beautiful facial features that could be "exploited" in closeup and strategic camera angle and lighting.

We are photograhers, not bariatric surgeons, but he all else fails there is retouching. PortraitPro- has software that can sculpt body shapes and if used properly and sparingly, you can make subtle changes that will be appreciated but not overly obvious. Portrat Pro has hair cleanups.

Informal portraits, lots have to do with posing, balanced stances, camera position and gown draping and attention to detail on the groom's clothing- avoiding baggy pants, open jackets and sloppy collars and neckties.

As for hard shadows in sunlit locations- you need to apply flash or reflector fill. Beaches are tough stuff for lack of trees or open shade. I usually scout locations that I am not familiar with ahead of time and may suggest an alternative location for formal shots and groups. I have, however, occasionally got stuck in a bad location that the cliets thought was perfectly fine so agoan, improvision is in order. First of all, I have physically moved garbage cans, rusting car parts, dead tree parts, broken fram implements and all sorts of junk from backgrounds that co not be avoided or thrown sufficient out of focus. Certain kids of junk and mess can actually look great when totally out of focuse0 a kida f/1.0 kinda aperture on a longer focal length. If you play your cards right, an overgrown weed field can look like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon with a few optical tricks. I gotta admit that the garbage cans chain to a flagpole is NOT GOOD! Makes me wanna keep bolt cutters in my car- just in case!

The most important thg to avoid client disappointment is good solid in person, pre-planning and discussion with the client as to their expectations. Folks can be self-conscious and shy about any number of physical issues, bad teeth, asymmetrical smiles and facial structures, bad hair, no hair, a lazy eye, scars, skin conditions, body types and more. If you can gain ther confidence and give them the understanding that you are working on their behalf, they will usually discuss these matters with you and in turn, o can tell them what you can do and how they can help. I will ask them about their wedding gown, veil, train or dress style, colours, flowers, decor, makeup and hairstyles and many of their concerns will come up.

As for folks who are late to the wedding or don't show up on time for formal portraits and group- that ain't your fault. I tell them in advance, if you ain't there, I can't photograph you. It's logical and common sense and most fols understand that. If they want to re-stage an aisle shot- I can do that. Just don't include the lack of guests in that shot and incert in the sequence.

The bridesmaid with the young thing? She may have been intoxicated. I wor make funny faces back at her- Oh!- my face can stop an 8-day clock and make it run backward even if iI am no making funny faces. I might tell her how beautiful she is, especially wah her tongue is retracted. I shoot lots of babies and difficult kids in my studio, I am used to childish behaviour and know how to control it- it's fun!


Just about every time these kinda wedding horror stories emerge, a raft of "I have a worse story" posts ensue. I mean. I have a few- how about a parent suffering a fatal heart attack during the ceremony or a fight breaking out at the reception that turned into a riot and the police were called in! There is some funny stuff too but all that does not do any good in learning the prevention of bad results or disappointed clients.

If you stay in the weeing biz, there are going to be more beach weddings, more heavy folks, more disgruntled mothers and mothers-in-law, moret bad locations and dreadful lighting conditions. Suggestions on how to preclude much of this and what to do to work around a bad situation are more important than comparing bad experiences. The old express that" misery likes company" is counterproductive- More misery just generates more misery!
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Good information.
Mundy

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