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Aug 20, 2021 12:24:05   #
willaim Loc: Sunny Southern California
 
I did one wedding with a wedding photographer about 50 plus years ago.. We both shot a hell of a lot of pictures The mother of the bride was a pain telling us what to shoot and how to shoot. That was it. NEVER AGAIN.

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Aug 20, 2021 12:28:25   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I can concur, many of my East Indian and Asian wedding clients have all-day all-night ceremonies, receptions into the morning. The longest wedding shoot I did was for a real mob guy in Philly. He insisted I stay and shoot through their champagne breakfast the next morning. I of course didn't argue with him and was paid well.

Here three shots, two from an Indian-American wedding, and one from my mob client. Just dont share these outside our group ok.

Cheers


Super stuff- way to go!

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Aug 20, 2021 12:36:21   #
gwilliams6
 
quixdraw wrote:
The last Wedding I shot was my Son's. I got paid in pleasure. There was an expensive team of professionals who did a good job. I stayed out of their way, shot available light and got photos they didn't. My only criticism of them was that their delivery schedule was rather extended. The Kids got my photos in a week, the Pros photos eventually.
My most valuable recommendation from film days long ago when I was shooting weddings, beyond bringing enough equipment so you can make things work whatever fails, is to talk to the B&G, and if necessary, Parents in advance. Get a rough idea of likes and dislikes, structure of the ceremony and events, agreed on set shots. After that, go with the flow. Improvise, adapt and overcome. The only Wedding I enjoyed shooting was the last.
The last Wedding I shot was my Son's. I got paid ... (show quote)


Always talk with bride, groom and principles in advance, including the minister or celebrant. Scout all locations in advance. Know and agree on day's schedule and details . Bring backup everything. And be prepared for all plans to go south, lol, just adapt and succeed. Usually in the wedding contract, pros will stipulate how long for delivery of finished photos. Careful post processing of an entire day's wedding shoot can take weeks, really, especially if you have other jobs to do.

Cheers

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Aug 20, 2021 12:39:17   #
gwilliams6
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Super stuff- way to go!


Thanks

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Aug 20, 2021 12:40:33   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
No amount of money could get me to shoot weddings.

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Aug 20, 2021 12:49:46   #
bittermelon
 
You were paid, right?

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Aug 20, 2021 12:51:30   #
gwilliams6
 
willaim wrote:
I did one wedding with a wedding photographer about 50 plus years ago.. We both shot a hell of a lot of pictures The mother of the bride was a pain telling us what to shoot and how to shoot. That was it. NEVER AGAIN.


I stop those mother-zillas in their tracks. I let everyone know that I will do whatever shots we agree to and those spontaneous ones added on, but as the principle photographer I must be in charge to do the best job for the couple, and I need this to be acknowledged and followed by all relatives and guests. I do all this in a friendly way, of course.

I have the bride or groom announce to everyone before we start that they are paying me to get the best shots and that all over-eager family and friend photogs should give me wide berth to get my shots. And once I have the key moments, I will step aside and let the masses get their shots too, but mine are first. Always someone will step out into the aisle right in front of you and get between you and the couple as they walk back down the aisle after their ceremony. I just step in front of them and do my job. lol

I don't make enemies of anyone, but I am assertive as I have to be do the best for the couple. Any bruised egos can be smoothed over later when we have time to laugh about it all . I get many future clients from wedding guests and family who watched me work and then saw the results.

Cheers.

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Aug 20, 2021 13:09:08   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
billnikon wrote:
I was a professional wedding photographer for over 35 years, and folks who are amateurs should never attempt one.
Experience teaches the professionals how to handle all situations resulting in professional results.
Again, amateurs stay home, and do all of us professionals a favor.


I hope you didn't break your arm too badly from patting yourself on your back

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Aug 20, 2021 13:19:02   #
Stardust Loc: Central Illinois
 
Thanks for sharing your story, making my week seem much better. <grin> Anyone who shoots enough weddings will end up with a similar story sooner or later. Way back mine was with an intoxicated groom & groomsmen who got drunker as the event went on. (Try getting shots of the cake cutting when cake is being flung at your camera).

An experienced and normally cool "professional" at the time, by the end I was drenched in sweat to the point my underwear was soaked. Had to send my sport coat to be dry cleaned. But a year from now these become funny stories to tell. Learn, let go, move forward.

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Aug 20, 2021 13:26:59   #
tgreenhaw
 
We feel for you. A bridezilla is bad enough, but when its the whole party look out.

You should check out Anthopics Portrait Pro Body, it will take off the pounds and years and they will love you for it if that's what they want.

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Aug 20, 2021 13:35:28   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
Reality again raises its ugly head.

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Aug 20, 2021 13:45:13   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I am sorry to hear of your bad expereince- the entire scene sounds like the stuff of nightmares. Believe me, after nearly 60-years in the wedding photography business. I would never attempt to Monday morning quarterback your story. If, however, you are wanting to continue shooting weddigs, I can suggest some workarounds for many of your issues with that bride, her mom and that location for hell.

I have had to photograhy many heavy brides, grooms and parents. Some were what the doctors term morbidly obese- a 500+ lb. groom and a petite bride, some of the girls weighed in at 3 or 4 hundred lbs. and some of this is genetic and the mommas and poppas were that weight category as well. Some folks are happy in their own skin or bodies and some are not. Someof the brides chose gowns that did not mitigate ther apparent size. I am not making fun of these folks and my approch is that they are entitled to the best wedding photography, aesthetically speaking, that I can produce. Usually, I have met my couples well in advance and can plan various strategies, make some suggestions as to makeup, hairstyles and perhaps some clothing ideas and at least, shoot an engagement session as a test to impress them as to how someof these concepts might work in ther favour.

This may soud bizarre, but I have hidden some of their girth behind trees, shot portraits famed in "Y" shaped tree trunks and branches, used foliage as vignetting, split lighting, and all sorts of shenanigans that worked but did not seem obvious and looked perfectly natural. I have shot through doorways, windows, car window frames, candelabra, flowers, wedding cakes- whatever I could use for foreground framing.

Many of these folks had absolutely beautiful facial features that could be "exploited" in closeup and strategic camera angle and lighting.

We are photograhers, not bariatric surgeons, but he all else fails there is retouching. PortraitPro- has software that can sculpt body shapes and if used properly and sparingly, you can make subtle changes that will be appreciated but not overly obvious. Portrat Pro has hair cleanups.

Informal portraits, lots have to do with posing, balanced stances, camera position and gown draping and attention to detail on the groom's clothing- avoiding baggy pants, open jackets and sloppy collars and neckties.

As for hard shadows in sunlit locations- you need to apply flash or reflector fill. Beaches are tough stuff for lack of trees or open shade. I usually scout locations that I am not familiar with ahead of time and may suggest an alternative location for formal shots and groups. I have, however, occasionally got stuck in a bad location that the cliets thought was perfectly fine so agoan, improvision is in order. First of all, I have physically moved garbage cans, rusting car parts, dead tree parts, broken fram implements and all sorts of junk from backgrounds that co not be avoided or thrown sufficient out of focus. Certain kids of junk and mess can actually look great when totally out of focuse0 a kida f/1.0 kinda aperture on a longer focal length. If you play your cards right, an overgrown weed field can look like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon with a few optical tricks. I gotta admit that the garbage cans chain to a flagpole is NOT GOOD! Makes me wanna keep bolt cutters in my car- just in case!

The most important thg to avoid client disappointment is good solid in person, pre-planning and discussion with the client as to their expectations. Folks can be self-conscious and shy about any number of physical issues, bad teeth, asymmetrical smiles and facial structures, bad hair, no hair, a lazy eye, scars, skin conditions, body types and more. If you can gain ther confidence and give them the understanding that you are working on their behalf, they will usually discuss these matters with you and in turn, o can tell them what you can do and how they can help. I will ask them about their wedding gown, veil, train or dress style, colours, flowers, decor, makeup and hairstyles and many of their concerns will come up.

As for folks who are late to the wedding or don't show up on time for formal portraits and group- that ain't your fault. I tell them in advance, if you ain't there, I can't photograph you. It's logical and common sense and most fols understand that. If they want to re-stage an aisle shot- I can do that. Just don't include the lack of guests in that shot and incert in the sequence.

The bridesmaid with the young thing? She may have been intoxicated. I wor make funny faces back at her- Oh!- my face can stop an 8-day clock and make it run backward even if iI am no making funny faces. I might tell her how beautiful she is, especially wah her tongue is retracted. I shoot lots of babies and difficult kids in my studio, I am used to childish behaviour and know how to control it- it's fun!


Just about every time these kinda wedding horror stories emerge, a raft of "I have a worse story" posts ensue. I mean. I have a few- how about a parent suffering a fatal heart attack during the ceremony or a fight breaking out at the reception that turned into a riot and the police were called in! There is some funny stuff too but all that does not do any good in learning the prevention of bad results or disappointed clients.

If you stay in the weeing biz, there are going to be more beach weddings, more heavy folks, more disgruntled mothers and mothers-in-law, moret bad locations and dreadful lighting conditions. Suggestions on how to preclude much of this and what to do to work around a bad situation are more important than comparing bad experiences. The old express that" misery likes company" is counterproductive- More misery just generates more misery!
I am sorry to hear of your bad expereince- the ent... (show quote)


I don't shot professional or even at all except for wildlife and my grandkids which sometimes are one and the same I want to thank you for one of the best written post I have read since I've been here. Interesting, intelligent and on point. Oh the stories you have to tell. Lol. Thanks for a great read.

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Aug 20, 2021 14:36:34   #
jim in TC Loc: Traverse City, Michigan
 
I am not a wedding photographer, so this is only hearsay on one point of your "problem" shoot, the beach.

For a while I offered services as an officiant and once got to talking with the photographer, who had been asked to do some of the staged photos at the nearby beach. He agreed to do that, and his experience in difficult contrasty settings led him to only use a film camera there, suggesting that film is more forgiving in those settings. I don't recall what film he used, and this is at least 15 years ago (some film is no longer available, digital has had some years to advance). I can't vouch for the advice, and the film of course slows down the process of getting the photos ready.

I will be interested to see what some of the experienced folks think of this idea...

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Aug 20, 2021 15:07:38   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
"Bridezilla and Momzilla" to me are bad words- disrespectful and rude! Bad business!

In almost 60-yers of wedding coverage, I always treat the ladies- brides, moms, in-laws and bridesmaids like my own mom, sister, wife and daughter and granddaughters.

Sadly, I lost my mother when I was 14-years old- she was only 39. I know, had she lived to attend my wedding, she would have been nervous and fussing to make everything as perfect as possible.

Most of the brides I have served were great! Some were nervous, a few fainted, some lashed out at family members or me (because they were stressed out) but they all managed to soldier through the day, enjoy the celebrations and were grateful for the good pictures that reulted. I will hazard a guess that 90% of the enjoyed the photographic part of their day!

I have a very good memory- almost total recall, and I can't remember a weddingg shoot where anyone seriously interfered with my work. I get along well with the moms- when I was young, they thought I was cute. Now that I am a big old man with a gray beard and endowed with a chronic case of perma-frown, they probably are afraid to bother me. Kidding aside, a little bit of kindness and compassion will preclude most problems. My fees ain't cheap, so maybe they feel if they mess with me, they will be messing with their investment.

I don't know where all this negative criticism of the girls and weddings is coming from, misogyny, impatience, or worse misogamy- the hatred of marriage???!

As for control- I tell my potential clients that I do not want to be a WEDDING DICTATOR! If they want a good mixture of formal, casual, romantic, and strictly candid shots- I will need a certain amount of cooperation and some time set aside for formal photography. If they want me to be a fly on the wall, I can do that but certain elements may not be possible. I can alter the ratio of posed and grabbed shots to accommodate ther expectations and level of participation. If things go wrong, or the schedule is disrupted, I can switch gears in the middle of the track and carry on! If everyone is on the same page the potential for problems is minimized.

My most accepted approach is to give me some isolated time and space for the formal and romantic shots and the rest of the day, I will remain on the outskirts of the celebration looking in and capturing whatever goes down. People like fair tradeoffs!

PR wise- folks do no want to spend ther hard-earned money with folks they do not like. I have seen folks recommend a lesser-skilled wedding shooter over a top guy or gal because of personality clashes. Sometimes NICE guys and gals finish first- not last! If you are a skilled shooter with an amicable manner- you will do well. Your personality will be reflected in your results, especially in the expressions, and your bottom line too!

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Aug 20, 2021 15:21:02   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
tramsey wrote:
I hope you didn't break your arm too badly from patting yourself on your back


Despite what you think, he is absolutely correct, you don't need to be shooting a wedding unless you really know what you are doing. Otherwise for the most part, the bride and groom will be wasting their money. Unless of course they are paying the $500 deal for three thousand images on a disk. Then they get what they deserve. I will gues that you have never been a professional wedding photographer from your comment to poster who said to keep hobbyists out of wedding work.

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