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Aug 6, 2021 10:02:31   #
Tex-s
 
A few days ago I complained that there were NO articles on the net or in visual media discussing the immunity of people who have already contracted C***d 1.0. I Stand corrected, and there are a few other implications to be noted.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-c****-**-v*****es-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans

A few quotes, for the sake of brevity, for those that only want a preview ,or in case any of you might implode or explode if you were to willfully click a link not suggested by 'experts'.

[... the false assumption that the risk of dying from C****-** is equally distributed in the population. It's not.]


[The power of natural immunity was recently affirmed in an Israeli study, which found a 6.7 times greater level of protection among those with natural immunity vs. those with v******ted immunity.]


[...to argue dogmatically that they (previously infected) must get v******ted has zero clinical outcome data to back it. As a matter of fact, we have data to the contrary: A Cleveland Clinic study found that v******ting people with natural immunity did not add to their level of protection.]


[Of the more than 330 C****-** deaths in kids under age 25, there's good preliminary data suggesting that most or nearly all appear to be in kids with a pre-existing condition. ]


[The risk of hospitalization from C****-** in kids ages 5 to17 is 0.3 per million for the week ending July 24, 2021 ...the risk of hospitalization after the second v*****e dose due to myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, is about 50 per million in that same age group.]

Going only off the 330 number counting deaths under the age of 25, C***d ends up FAR below about 100 other conditions or events that take the life of someone under the age of 25.

Do we want to ban water? Based on the averages and using 500 as the number of days since C***d Derrangement Syndrome began, 4500 people below the age of 25 have drowned in the same time frame 330 were lost to C***d. CDC link by the way.
[Every year in the United States there are an estimated:
3,960* fatal unintentional drownings, including boating-related drowning—that is an average of 11 drowning deaths per day.] https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html

Shall we ban cars? [A total of 36,096 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2019.]
https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot
The population is 52-ish percent 25-and-under (https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/) , so 18 000+ people under 25 died in 2019 in car accidents. Prorated out, it's 27000 deaths instead of 330 from C***d.

By the way, for anyone who might suggest an analogy between seatbelts and v******tions, don't. The death stats for cars includes seatbelts, airbags, crumple zone technologies, ABS and traction control systems, speed limit laws, drunk driving laws, age restrictions, licensing, and untold amounts of other remediation. Cars and their risks prove definitively that risk cannot be remediated down to zero. Why then do 'we' pretend that is a logical goal with C***d?

I''ve deviated from the immunity issue , but....the short argument against mandates of v*****es is simple:
1) For people under the age of 25, the (immediate) chance of death or hospitalization from C***d is HIGHER from the v*****e than from the disease.
2) Natural immunity is superior to man-made.
3) Liberty infringed is liberty surrendered.
4) If people allow themselves to be controlled now, those who can will continue to try in the future.

Anecdotal example. A had a 'boss' who disagreed with my evaluation of his child's athletic sk**l set, so I was targeted with a cloak and dagger smear campaign. My response was to take the whole issue to the public. I talked about it in line at the supermarket, at church, at track meets with other parents.... The end result? I stayed employed and the 'boss' ended up being forced to resign.

I feel the same tactics are being employed by our wannabe dictators and that cowering now only invites more abuses later,

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Aug 6, 2021 11:04:21   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Great post with excellent, evidence-based information. Too bad it undermines the claims authoritarians cite to dictate every aspect of our freedom.

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Aug 7, 2021 10:25:06   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Tex-s wrote:
A few days ago I complained that there were NO articles on the net or in visual media discussing the immunity of people who have already contracted C***d 1.0. I Stand corrected, and there are a few other implications to be noted.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-c****-**-v*****es-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans

A few quotes, for the sake of brevity, for those that only want a preview ,or in case any of you might implode or explode if you were to willfully click a link not suggested by 'experts'.

[... the false assumption that the risk of dying from C****-** is equally distributed in the population. It's not.]


[The power of natural immunity was recently affirmed in an Israeli study, which found a 6.7 times greater level of protection among those with natural immunity vs. those with v******ted immunity.]


[...to argue dogmatically that they (previously infected) must get v******ted has zero clinical outcome data to back it. As a matter of fact, we have data to the contrary: A Cleveland Clinic study found that v******ting people with natural immunity did not add to their level of protection.]


[Of the more than 330 C****-** deaths in kids under age 25, there's good preliminary data suggesting that most or nearly all appear to be in kids with a pre-existing condition. ]


[The risk of hospitalization from C****-** in kids ages 5 to17 is 0.3 per million for the week ending July 24, 2021 ...the risk of hospitalization after the second v*****e dose due to myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, is about 50 per million in that same age group.]

Going only off the 330 number counting deaths under the age of 25, C***d ends up FAR below about 100 other conditions or events that take the life of someone under the age of 25.

Do we want to ban water? Based on the averages and using 500 as the number of days since C***d Derrangement Syndrome began, 4500 people below the age of 25 have drowned in the same time frame 330 were lost to C***d. CDC link by the way.
[Every year in the United States there are an estimated:
3,960* fatal unintentional drownings, including boating-related drowning—that is an average of 11 drowning deaths per day.] https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html

Shall we ban cars? [A total of 36,096 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2019.]
https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot
The population is 52-ish percent 25-and-under (https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/) , so 18 000+ people under 25 died in 2019 in car accidents. Prorated out, it's 27000 deaths instead of 330 from C***d.

By the way, for anyone who might suggest an analogy between seatbelts and v******tions, don't. The death stats for cars includes seatbelts, airbags, crumple zone technologies, ABS and traction control systems, speed limit laws, drunk driving laws, age restrictions, licensing, and untold amounts of other remediation. Cars and their risks prove definitively that risk cannot be remediated down to zero. Why then do 'we' pretend that is a logical goal with C***d?

I''ve deviated from the immunity issue , but....the short argument against mandates of v*****es is simple:
1) For people under the age of 25, the (immediate) chance of death or hospitalization from C***d is HIGHER from the v*****e than from the disease.
2) Natural immunity is superior to man-made.
3) Liberty infringed is liberty surrendered.
4) If people allow themselves to be controlled now, those who can will continue to try in the future.

Anecdotal example. A had a 'boss' who disagreed with my evaluation of his child's athletic sk**l set, so I was targeted with a cloak and dagger smear campaign. My response was to take the whole issue to the public. I talked about it in line at the supermarket, at church, at track meets with other parents.... The end result? I stayed employed and the 'boss' ended up being forced to resign.

I feel the same tactics are being employed by our wannabe dictators and that cowering now only invites more abuses later,
A few days ago I complained that there were NO art... (show quote)


Clicking on your link does not enable reading the article without signing up for the newsletter. However, after seeing that this "doctor" uses the term "C***d Derrangement Syndrome" it's obvious that the article is nothing more than a political rant.

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Aug 7, 2021 10:31:19   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
berchman wrote:
Clicking on your link does not enable reading the article without signing up for the newsletter. However, after seeing that this "doctor" uses the term "C***d Derrangement Syndrome" it's obvious that the article is nothing more than a political rant.


Can can bypass it I was able to read the article.

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Aug 7, 2021 10:42:35   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Tex-s wrote:
A few days ago I complained that there were NO articles on the net or in visual media discussing the immunity of people who have already contracted C***d 1.0. I Stand corrected, and there are a few other implications to be noted.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-c****-**-v*****es-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans

A few quotes, for the sake of brevity, for those that only want a preview ,or in case any of you might implode or explode if you were to willfully click a link not suggested by 'experts'.

[... the false assumption that the risk of dying from C****-** is equally distributed in the population. It's not.]


[The power of natural immunity was recently affirmed in an Israeli study, which found a 6.7 times greater level of protection among those with natural immunity vs. those with v******ted immunity.]


[...to argue dogmatically that they (previously infected) must get v******ted has zero clinical outcome data to back it. As a matter of fact, we have data to the contrary: A Cleveland Clinic study found that v******ting people with natural immunity did not add to their level of protection.]


[Of the more than 330 C****-** deaths in kids under age 25, there's good preliminary data suggesting that most or nearly all appear to be in kids with a pre-existing condition. ]


[The risk of hospitalization from C****-** in kids ages 5 to17 is 0.3 per million for the week ending July 24, 2021 ...the risk of hospitalization after the second v*****e dose due to myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, is about 50 per million in that same age group.]

Going only off the 330 number counting deaths under the age of 25, C***d ends up FAR below about 100 other conditions or events that take the life of someone under the age of 25.

Do we want to ban water? Based on the averages and using 500 as the number of days since C***d Derrangement Syndrome began, 4500 people below the age of 25 have drowned in the same time frame 330 were lost to C***d. CDC link by the way.
[Every year in the United States there are an estimated:
3,960* fatal unintentional drownings, including boating-related drowning—that is an average of 11 drowning deaths per day.] https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html

Shall we ban cars? [A total of 36,096 people died in motor vehicle crashes in 2019.]
https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot
The population is 52-ish percent 25-and-under (https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/) , so 18 000+ people under 25 died in 2019 in car accidents. Prorated out, it's 27000 deaths instead of 330 from C***d.

By the way, for anyone who might suggest an analogy between seatbelts and v******tions, don't. The death stats for cars includes seatbelts, airbags, crumple zone technologies, ABS and traction control systems, speed limit laws, drunk driving laws, age restrictions, licensing, and untold amounts of other remediation. Cars and their risks prove definitively that risk cannot be remediated down to zero. Why then do 'we' pretend that is a logical goal with C***d?

I''ve deviated from the immunity issue , but....the short argument against mandates of v*****es is simple:
1) For people under the age of 25, the (immediate) chance of death or hospitalization from C***d is HIGHER from the v*****e than from the disease.
2) Natural immunity is superior to man-made.
3) Liberty infringed is liberty surrendered.
4) If people allow themselves to be controlled now, those who can will continue to try in the future.

Anecdotal example. A had a 'boss' who disagreed with my evaluation of his child's athletic sk**l set, so I was targeted with a cloak and dagger smear campaign. My response was to take the whole issue to the public. I talked about it in line at the supermarket, at church, at track meets with other parents.... The end result? I stayed employed and the 'boss' ended up being forced to resign.

I feel the same tactics are being employed by our wannabe dictators and that cowering now only invites more abuses later,
A few days ago I complained that there were NO art... (show quote)

For those under 60 with no underlying medical conditions the risk of fatality from driving to the v*****e injection cite is far greater than the risk of fatality from c***d. On a daily basis the single most dangerous thing is driving

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Aug 7, 2021 14:26:10   #
Tex-s
 
berchman wrote:
Clicking on your link does not enable reading the article without signing up for the newsletter. However, after seeing that this "doctor" uses the term "C***d Derrangement Syndrome" it's obvious that the article is nothing more than a political rant.


Try again. The article quotes are [bracketed] C***d Derrangement is my phrase. You’ll have to criticize the message instead of the messenger. Also, I have no subscription and have no need of one on any device in my home, including my smart TV.

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