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Aug 2, 2021 08:58:12   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
"...the staff was made up of good looking women..." Bill_de that is NOT a good sign... Freshly minted nursing staff have a much higher rate of "medical errors"

What to look for? At minimum to have RN certification. However those with a CCRN (Certified Critical-Care Nurse) have mastered their craft to a very high degree proficiency. And CCRN have to re-certify every three years.

Please do not ignore your followup instructions... The clinical practitioner who wrote them has both yours and their institutions best interest in mind... Hospitals are constantly rated by the success of those they treat. Morbidity rates after discharge are very compelling numbers and are one of the most important ways hospitals are ranked.

Best wishes for a rapid and full recovery!

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Aug 2, 2021 10:13:50   #
BebuLamar
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...the staff was made up of good looking women..." Bill_de that is NOT a good sign... Freshly minted nursing staff have a much higher rate of "medical errors"


You meant only freshly minted staff are good looking? Experienced staff aren't???

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Aug 2, 2021 10:28:06   #
juan_uy Loc: Uruguay
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
an·ti·cli·mac·tic
/ˌan(t)ēˌklīˈmaktik,ˌanˌtīklīˈmaktik/
adjective
causing disappointment at the end of an exciting or impressive series of events.
"it was an anticlimactic finish to the match"
Similar:
bathetic
disappointing
dissatisfying
disillusioning

So, There and many interesting posts wherein seemingly good questions are posed. Some are requests for technical help, troubleshooting problematic issues in an image, asking for advice on many aspects of photography. Then, the good, generous and helpful folks on UHH respond with a wide variety of answers- mostly logical, some are "spot on", some are debatable, a few maybe, putting it mildly, kinda inaccurate, and let's forget about the sarcastic and nasty responses because they are in the minority.

The helpful folks, then swing into action- they post advice, supply links, give examples of editing corrections when requested, supply diagrams, engage in arguments, review equipment, and collectively supply a pretty decent body of work for the OP to research, mull over, put into practice or just say thank you and go away.

I am not keeping statistics but I get the impression that many OPs never come back, a few say thanks and almost none of them report back to update us. It ain't mandatory but it would be nice! It would be hearing t read "I did what y'all suggested and it worked"! or NOT! The ones that tend to get my goat is " "Waht y'all suggested is too much work and I'll just keep doing stuff the wrong way" kinda thing. The worst ones are they deced to apply the worst suggestion of the lot. You know "I'll just take that idea from Mr. Mechanic about cleaning my camera with turpentine and lubricating it with axel grease- I have some in the garage"! Well, it ain't really all that bad but y'all know what I mean!

Some folks will describe a problem, glitch, or defect in an image, in several paragraphs but do not post a (stored) file with EXIF data. Did the not ever hear the expression about one picture is work 1000 words- you'd think- on a photo forum!

The attached image could have been a typical but challenging question: "See, I was shooting my Cousin Matilda's wedding and all the pictures had a strange colour cast- what did do wrong and how can I fix it? The bride is launching a lawsuit"!

Well- there ought to be a law but there ain't gonna be one- anyone has any ideas?

I am not complaining and I am not disgrunteled or discouraged- just thinking about stuff in a perfect world. Just changed my brand of coffee- too much caffeine!
an·ti·cli·mac·tic br /ˌan(t)ēˌklīˈmaktik,ˌanˌtīklī... (show quote)


I agree with you, but I sincerely hope that you and other experienced UHH users will continue sharing their knowledge and expertise with the rest of us.

Even if the OP doesn't even read the answers, some of us do it and are thankful
Maybe we should all express that more, but I personally sometimes don't do it if it's not my thread to avoid having lots of "thanks" replies.

Some time ago, I suggested the Admin, if possible, to enable the OP to close a thread once he/she got the answer. This would avoid, if done correctly, repeated answers or hijacking threads or derailing the discussion once the issue has been "solved".

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Aug 2, 2021 10:29:39   #
BebuLamar
 
juan_uy wrote:
I agree with you, but I sincerely hope that you and other experienced UHH users will continue sharing their knowledge and expertise with the rest of us.

Even if the OP doesn't even read the answers, some of us do it and are thankful
Maybe we should all express that more, but I personally sometimes don't do it if it's not my thread to avoid having lots of "thanks" replies.

Some time ago, I suggested the Admin, if possible, to enable the OP to close a thread once he/she got the answer. This would avoid, if done correctly, repeated answers or hijacking threads or derailing the discussion once the issue has been "solved".
I agree with you, but I sincerely hope that you an... (show quote)


I think your idea to enable the OP to close the thread is a good idea. It would indicate that either the OP got the answer or giving up.

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Aug 2, 2021 11:33:07   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...I am not complaining..." I disagree Ed this is simply another UHH rant...
You are offering no meaningful "time honored" solution to technical support.

In the medical field there are standard protocols for "Assessment" when admitting a pt to the ER...
The first is to triage life-threatening immediately for intervention.
When death is a possible outcome time (i.e. brevity) is of the essence. Getting it right the first time is paramount!

Emergency Room protocols cut to the chase which is something you've yet to master ED...
Your idea of a solution is shrouded in a lengthy dissertation where you have a propensity to pontificate about how great you "once" were... Thus OP leaves dazed and confused by such a exhaustive obtuse reply...

Here is the script I had to use doing software phone support of DOE.
When was the last time it worked correctly?
When did this problem begin?
What has changed since then?
What error message(s) have you received?
Have you turned you system off and then restarted it again?

Ed bitching about not having an attached uploaded image is not helpful...
Many OP's don't know how to accomplish this... Demanding they do this likely is why some many leave and go elsewhere. At least Paul posts images on how to upload a file on UHH.

Best Advice Ed? Maybe do a year or so of phone support where the manager is standing over you shouting that there are over a dozen callers in the queue! Then you may grasp the reality of timely and effective professional issue mitigation.

Ed you have much to offer, albeit you're methodologies and workflow protocols leave room to grow...
All the best on your journey Ed.
"...I am not complaining..." I disagree ... (show quote)


Respectfully, I beg to disagree, and I think many of us, including you, who have been professionals in a given field, tend to provide our bona fides to add credibility to the information we provide. Since photography and the ER are completely different environments with very different consequences for delay, I doubt any of us are so time constrained that questions and answers need to be “triaged” for a very fast and brief reply. I, for one, am glad that Ed is willing to share his accumulated knowledge in a complete way, and I doubt that I’m alone. I also find it disheartening when a question is posed and follow up information is requested to properly diagnose the issue, only to never hear from the OP again or a thank you or an outcome is never given for the information provided.

Let me offer you an alternative philosophy. There is a tendency in the world not to actually understand, in depth, how a process works. Instead, people want a quick, superficial answer and after accumulating a set of observations/answers, they attempt to place them in some sort of framework, that is often incorrect. Instead, let me suggest that the questioner actually take the time to understand the underlying principle, and then, based on that complete understanding, the answers to all the questions will become obvious (and correct). We all have different cognitive styles - some favor brevity while others favor detail and thoroughness, and there is value in both approaches. I feel sure you can tell that I fall into the latter category

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Aug 2, 2021 12:25:25   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...I am not complaining..." I disagree Ed this is simply another UHH rant...
You are offering no meaningful "time-honoured" solution to technical support.

In the medical field, there are standard protocols for "Assessment" when admitting a pt to the ER...
The first is to triage life-threatening immediately for intervention.
When death is a possible outcome time (i.e. brevity) is of the essence. Getting it right the first time is paramount!

Emergency Room protocols cut to the chase which is something you've yet to master ED...
Your idea of a solution is shrouded in a lengthy dissertation where you have a propensity to pontificate about how great you "once" were... Thus OP leaves dazed and confused by such an exhaustive obtuse reply...

Here is the script I had to use doing software phone support of DOE.
When was the last time it worked correctly?
When did this problem begin?
What has changed since then?
What error message(s) have you received?
Have you turned your system off and then restarted it again?

Ed bitching about not having an attached uploaded image is not helpful...
Many OP's don't know how to accomplish this... Demanding they do this likely is why some many leave and go elsewhere. At least Paul posts images on how to upload a file on UHH.

Best Advice Ed? Maybe do a year or so of phone support where the manager is standing over you shouting that there are over a dozen callers in the queue! Then you may grasp the reality of timely and effective professional issue mitigation.

Ed, you have much to offer, albeit you're methodologies and workflow protocols leave room to grow...
All the best on your journey Ed.
"...I am not complaining..." I disagree ... (show quote)


Thomas:

I have been on this form for 6-years and, if you review my posts, I do not make a habit of "BITCHING" or complaining. I do feel, however, that I have a right to criticize certain habits that some members persist in that are only detrimental to their receiving helpful, practical, and accurate answers to their questions. A little courtesy and the occasional "thank you" would be an encouragement to members who consistently deliver good advice. It's a good feeling to know that you have helped someone.

Your comparison to the communication on this forum to medical emergency room procedures and protocols is ridiculous. Believe me, I know way too much about those circumstances. I served two tours in Vietnam and witnessed and photographed many real emergencies in aid stations, Mobile Army Surgical Hospital units and paramedical procedures in the field. I don't make a habit of describing these events nor do I display or post the photographs. They would turn the stomach of most folks. Emergency medicine has nothing to do with amateur or professional photograhy or the goings-on, on an online photo forum.

I agree that a template for analyzing technical questions would be handy but turning the camera off and on agan or find out the frequency of the issue is not enough remedial information to fix many problems of lighting, exposure, composition, and a myriad of difficulties that can arise in photography. Besides, there is no, real emergencies, a backlog of urgent calls, or life and death situations on this forum. There is plenty of time to ask and answer questions in an orderly, accurate and courteous manner. This is not a paid information resource or an official helpline on guaranteed products or services.

As for folks not downloading an image when asking for technical assistance in a specific image: Since you seem to know so much about medicine, how would doctors do without all their medical imaging- X-rays. scans, ultrasound exams, and all their visual aids at diagnoses of complex and serious illness. In this day and age, they would not save as many lives by strictly going by symptomatology- THEY NEED PICTURES!

Yes! There are young and pretty doctors and nurses. This does not necessarily mean they are inexperienced or incompetent in any way. Doctors no longer have to wait 'till they are 35-years old to begin to practice. These "kids" start in combined pre-med and medical school and are exposed to clinical medicine early in the game. They put in the days and hours, long shifts, and are well-supervised buy those older docs with white coats, white hair, and eyeglasses. Fortunately, I did not spend much time as an in-patient in hospital but when I was in for a few weeks, most of the staff look like my granddaughters and they all provided I high level of care and professionalism.

You make a blanket statement about my "protocols" needing growth. I agree! I won't say I learn something new every day but if I don't learn something new and current about photograhy and life, at least three times a week, I get nervous. I am an old man with a gray beard, but don't let that fool you. I still read all the trades, put aside an hour each day to check out the Internet to learn what's current and waht's not. I still take courses and attend lectures, conventions, and ongoing educational efforts in 3 different professional associations. My point is if you disagree with any of my technical or business advice, PLEASE, take me to task on any point of view or methodology. I invite criticism, opposing opinions, and debate but blanket statements don't wash with me.

I have been teaching and training photograher and provodonmg seminars for a long time. I don't set RULES that are carved in stone. I can not TEACH creativity, talent, or work ethic- I can only encourage it. So, I tell folks waht I do, how I do it and I try to give them the tools that enable their creativity and develop their talent. I am a "nuts and bolts" kinda guy and if anyone does not like my nuts, bolts or tools they have a perfect right to call me out on them. The only advantage I have is I go to work 6-days a week in photograhy- it's my day job. I don't write about anythg I don't know about or have experience with.

I don't participate here to feed my ego. I like helping folks with their photography. When I started, as a kid with a hobby, a few advanced amateurs helped me learn. When landed a job as an assistant, gofer, janitor, and darkroom swabbie in a studio, the older and more seasoned guys took out time to break me into the business. When I was asked about my "position" at the studio, I would respond "official punching bag". There were some tough critiques but I certainly learned the trade, well enough to earn a living. I was fortunate enough to have a formal education in photograhy but the stuff and work ethic I learned from the old-timers is not taught in classrooms. I think it's importat to give somethg back and if one person benefits, I am pleased.

I do no make a habit of ranting. If you misconstrued my post as a rant- there is nothing I can do to change your comprehension of waht I wrote. It would be beneficial for folks who are seeking advice, to post their questions more precisely and accompany their descriptors of problematic imagery with a VISUAL example of the issue. There is nothing wrong with requesting a quick tip but some techniques can not be explained or remedied by a quick tip.

If you read my previous post carefully- I state my cases and asked others for their input. As I have mentioned many times, I simply put what I know out there- folks can take it for waht it is worth, disagree with it or simply ignore it! Oftentimes a negative criticism is not popular but may be beneficial in the long run. I will take yours under advisement.

Ed

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Aug 2, 2021 12:55:43   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I think your idea to enable the OP to close the thread is a good idea. It would indicate that either the OP got the answer or giving up.


Except for one thing. If I am correct, which happens occasionally, sites like these are financed by the ad revenue. The amount of ad revenue is dependent on the number of 'clicks'. We often see multiple pages of posts after the OP is satisfied. If we asked ADMIN to cut off those posts, we would be asking him to cut his revenue.

There are sites where if you are a paid member you don't see ads, but you can't ask someone to cut their paycheck in half.

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Aug 2, 2021 13:28:55   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"...the staff was made up of good looking women..." Bill_de that is NOT a good sign... Freshly minted nursing staff have a much higher rate of "medical errors"



And there you go again looking for the negative! I'm 71 years old, they don't have to be young to be good looking women.

Thank you for the good thoughts!

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Aug 2, 2021 13:42:36   #
BebuLamar
 
Bill_de wrote:
Except for one thing. If I am correct, which happens occasionally, sites like these are financed by the ad revenue. The amount of ad revenue is dependent on the number of 'clicks'. We often see multiple pages of posts after the OP is satisfied. If we asked ADMIN to cut off those posts, we would be asking him to cut his revenue.

There are sites where if you are a paid member you don't see ads, but you can't ask someone to cut their paycheck in half.

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Aha thanks. So I do the forum owner a favor if I post something that provokes endless arguments and create a lengthy thread that really has no endings anticlimactic or not? In other word it's good to be a troll.

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