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Jul 24, 2021 12:09:36   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
Early this morning I stopped to grab a few shots of the full moon, I used to have a 5Div and usually shot at ISO 100, F/11 and around 250 shutter. On my brand new Canon R6 I put in the same settings, spot metering and spot focus and with my ISO at 100 my screen was black, nothing even showed up so I started adjusting it up till I could at lease see the moon. Was set on a tripod but my camera could never focus on it. My lens was a EF70-200f/2.8 is ism ii with a Canon 2x iii extender which I have used lots of times before on my 5D. I was able to just manually focus but the pics looked worse than an IPhone pic would of looked. Any clue on why my camera is doing this or are mirrorless just a different breed than what I’m used to and need way different settings?

I will be mowing the rest of the afternoon but will check back in later on. Thanks!

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Jul 25, 2021 06:13:05   #
Red6
 
I use a Sony A6400 mirrorless and have been getting great results. Your settings are fairly close to what I use. I generally start with Manual mode, F/11, and set the shutter to 1/ISO, usually 1/250 sec for shutter and 250 for ISO. The camera is set to center focus and autofocus works perfectly. Since the moon is moving, I may also adjust the shutter and ISO to get the best sharpness.

Are you sure you are in full manual mode and not auto, program, Tv, or Av? Spot metering should not even be a consideration since you should be shooting in full manual except for autofocus. Also, check your exposure compensation, it should be at zero or none.

The only other thing I can think of is if the lens is working properly with your camera. Is it actually set at what the camera thinks it is set for? Is the EF lens and extender being used compatible with the Canon R6?

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Jul 25, 2021 07:04:06   #
Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
 
The extender could be the problem. No need for f/11 as you are shooting at or near infinity. Open up so you can use a faster shutter speed. Might help.

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Jul 25, 2021 07:35:45   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Give examples with download checked.

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Jul 25, 2021 07:41:52   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
alberio wrote:
Give examples with download checked.


Here’s one of several attempts, all failed. If I try to set ISO very low I get a black screen.


(Download)

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Jul 25, 2021 07:43:06   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
Robertl594 wrote:
The extender could be the problem. No need for f/11 as you are shooting at or near infinity. Open up so you can use a faster shutter speed. Might help.


Very true, I did post one example below and I think it’s at f/5.6 which is as low as my f/2.8 lens will go with the extender.

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Jul 25, 2021 07:45:19   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
Red6 wrote:
I use a Sony A6400 mirrorless and have been getting great results. Your settings are fairly close to what I use. I generally start with Manual mode, F/11, and set the shutter to 1/ISO, usually 1/250 sec for shutter and 250 for ISO. The camera is set to center focus and autofocus works perfectly. Since the moon is moving, I may also adjust the shutter and ISO to get the best sharpness.

Are you sure you are in full manual mode and not auto, program, Tv, or Av? Spot metering should not even be a consideration since you should be shooting in full manual except for autofocus. Also, check your exposure compensation, it should be at zero or none.

The only other thing I can think of is if the lens is working properly with your camera. Is it actually set at what the camera thinks it is set for? Is the EF lens and extender being used compatible with the Canon R6?
I use a Sony A6400 mirrorless and have been gettin... (show quote)


I was shooting in FV which is close to manual, the Exposure comp was at zero. I’m wondering about the lens working right with the extender like you mentioned.

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Jul 25, 2021 07:46:28   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Check your Exposure Simulation setting. Is it enabled? My copy of the R6 Advanced User Guide says page 248 for details.

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Jul 25, 2021 07:49:27   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Check your Exposure Simulation setting. Is it enabled? My copy of the R6 Advanced User Guide says page 248 for details.


Yes, it’s enabled. I don’t think I have ever disabled this on my first R. I have only had this camera a few days so lots to learn.

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Jul 25, 2021 08:05:03   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Resqu2 wrote:
Yes, it’s enabled. I don’t think I have ever disabled this on my first R. I have only had this camera a few days so lots to learn.


The image you posted, where did that come from? It doesn't have any EXIF.

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Jul 25, 2021 08:26:37   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Resqu2 wrote:
Early this morning I stopped to grab a few shots of the full moon, I used to have a 5Div and usually shot at ISO 100, F/11 and around 250 shutter. On my brand new Canon R6 I put in the same settings, spot metering and spot focus and with my ISO at 100 my screen was black, nothing even showed up so I started adjusting it up till I could at lease see the moon. Was set on a tripod but my camera could never focus on it. My lens was a EF70-200f/2.8 is ism ii with a Canon 2x iii extender which I have used lots of times before on my 5D. I was able to just manually focus but the pics looked worse than an IPhone pic would of looked. Any clue on why my camera is doing this or are mirrorless just a different breed than what I’m used to and need way different settings?

I will be mowing the rest of the afternoon but will check back in later on. Thanks!
Early this morning I stopped to grab a few shots o... (show quote)


Someone else on UHH posted these tips so I am "resharing?"
I have used both tips with success

Moon Shot Recommendations:
"For photographing the full moon, start by choosing an exposure based on the Looney f/11 rule. It states that when photographing the full moon, use f/11, ISO 100 and 1/100 second or one over your ISO if you want a different shutter speed.  This is similar to the sunny f/16 rule that says to photograph on a sunny day use f/16, ISO 100 and 1/100 second or 1/the same as the ISO number or closest number. For example, at ISO 200 the shutter speed would be 1/200 second. For a half-moon or crescent moon, you will need much less exposure – see my exposure settings in the image captions in this article.

Be sure to have some detail on the moon. Even with a 500mm lens, in reviewing your histogram it can be very hard to see if you have a spike on the far right side. You might have just a sliver on the bright side of the moon that doesn’t have detail. To find out, turn on Highlight Alert to show “blinkies” for overexposure. Reduce exposure as needed until the Highlight Alert stops blinking to provide good exposure."

Best wishes for your next "Moon Shot"

Smile,
JimmyT Sends

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Jul 25, 2021 08:38:42   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Maybe shoot without the extender and crop and process the RAW file to achieve the desired effect.

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Jul 25, 2021 08:44:10   #
ELNikkor
 
When the moon is near the horizon, the atmosphere changes the brightness, so the "sunny 16" (or "mooney 16"!) rule, goes out the window. I always look for the balance of blue sky to moon detail, which peaks around ISO 100, 1/125, f8, (no converter!), also, bracket some.

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Jul 25, 2021 08:53:10   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The image you posted, where did that come from? It doesn't have any EXIF.


I transferred it to my IPad via the camera connect app, no editing and posted straight to here.

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Jul 25, 2021 08:55:36   #
IHH61 Loc: Homestead Fl
 
Resqu2 wrote:
Yes, it’s enabled. I don’t think I have ever disabled this on my first R. I have only had this camera a few days so lots to learn.


While this is a great feature in many situations it won’t work well for moon shots. I would also go manual and start around f/11 and 1/125.

Hugh

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