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Jul 19, 2021 10:22:58   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
CaptKK wrote:
Apologies for going off topic but in regards to the pic you posted, is that a single plane or 2 planes?


That's two prop planes merged into one, with a jet engine tucked underneigh to make for an airshow acrobatic performing plane.

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Jul 19, 2021 10:26:20   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Longshadow wrote:
So now that you don't have to worry about the equipment, you can provide some useful information.


My "useful" information is KNOW your equipment before you post ..... and, listen to Paul ...

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Jul 19, 2021 11:50:18   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
imagemeister wrote:
My "useful" information is KNOW your equipment before you post ..... and, listen to Paul ...

He might have known, if it was HIS equipment.....
The base question wasn't about equipment though.

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Jul 19, 2021 11:54:49   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Longshadow wrote:
He might have known, if it was HIS equipment.....
The base question wasn't about equipment though.


So,

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Jul 20, 2021 06:34:12   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The 18-400 zoom is a digital DX-style lens, so lets assume an "EOS 3" is some form of a Digital Rebel of the EOS T3 variety.

I'm not going to Oshkosh this year, but went for two years running for the entire 7-day week before last year's cancellation.

A few general tips for easy(er) ways to get great airshow results are:

1. Shoot in Shutter Priority with the EC set to +0.7. Put the camera in AUTO-ISO. Use Evaluative Metering.

2. For prop planes, adjust the speed between 1/200sec and 1/320sec. Use the slower speeds for slower planes like T6 Texans (WWII) and the faster speed for high-performance planes like the Extra 300L. For all jets, adjust to 1/1000sec initially. When the modern USAF fighters do their high-speed passes, bump up to 1/1600 sec. The hardest thing to remember is to adjust your shutterspeed every time the plane types change back n forth. The example below is 1/320sec, one could just default this speed for all prop planes. Use 1/100sec for helicopters.

3. Set the AF drive to AI Servo.

4. Set the burst mode to High-Speed Continuous.

Track the flying plane with the shutter half-pressed to engage the AI Servo and press the shutter full as the plane reaches the closest point of approach, let the camera rip 3 to 5 frames at a time (1 or 2 seconds) as you smoothly pan with the plane as it passes through the closest point. Skip the 'from behind' shots.

For position, the earlier you get to your desired spot the better. People will start 'holding' spots on the flight line as early as the gates open at 9am using empty lawn chairs. I don't shoot from a chair, so I've been to the flight line to physically hold my spot for as early as 12pm for the 2pm show start. The 12pm 'hold' is to get a spot more toward the center, there is always open space at either far-ends of the runway where all the flying occurs.

The grounds have tons of planes for ground shots, so many it's overwhelming. The Warbirds area is amazing. If someone was there for just one day, get there when the gates open and tour through all the warbirds (WWII) and then plan to get a good place for the airshow. Have plenty of back-up batteries and cards.

Here's a fresh image from Oshkosh in July 2019 at 420mm on a full-frame camera. Your son's 400mm lens on a Rebel can capture the same framing at 1/320 sec if positioned on the flightline.

Yak-110 by Paul Sager, on Flickr
The 18-400 zoom is a digital DX-style lens, so let... (show quote)



Perfect advice!

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Jul 20, 2021 07:34:47   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Bill May wrote:
My 16 y/o is heading to the airshow in a week. He shoots a Canon EOS 3, with a Tamron 18-400 lens (new to him). We are looking for suggestions as to how to position himself and what to look for in order to get quality shots. He is pretty proficient with the camera and taking fire truck and fire scene pics. This is first foray into aviation photography. Thanks in advance, you know how kids respond to outside suggestions as opposed to "old man" thoughts.


Shoot Manual and get your exposure down before starting to shoot, meter green grass in the same light that the planes will be lite. That should give you a base exposure. For jets, shoot at a very fast shutter speed, 1/2000 sec. minimum.
Here are my general suggestions
1. 300mm f4 minimum
2. 2 camera bodies, one with a wide angle lens for planes on the ground
3. VR cannot keep up with panning a jet plane, turn it odd, you don't need it at 1/2000 sec.
4. Group Auto Focus in the center for Nikon, for Sony, use Zone in the middle of the viewfinder
5. Continuous auto focus
6. center weighted
7. aperture priority or manual
8. if you want propeller planes to show smooth movement, use a 1/125 sec. or slower
9. when panning, do not stop the camera as you press the shutter button, keep panning
Usually the stands are going to be located in the center of the action, I always liked the top row.

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Jul 20, 2021 08:35:27   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
The best advice to your 16 y/o is to use that combination and check his results prior to heading to some event that he wants to successfully photograph. At worst, he'll be trying to learn "on the job" and that may not work out well for him.
--Bob
Bill May wrote:
My 16 y/o is heading to the airshow in a week. He shoots a Canon EOS 3, with a Tamron 18-400 lens (new to him). We are looking for suggestions as to how to position himself and what to look for in order to get quality shots. He is pretty proficient with the camera and taking fire truck and fire scene pics. This is first foray into aviation photography. Thanks in advance, you know how kids respond to outside suggestions as opposed to "old man" thoughts.

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Jul 20, 2021 08:38:19   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 

--Bob
Longshadow wrote:
Oh, going on the premise that NO pictures have been taken yet with that combo. And that combo may not work.
Seems reasonable to question the validity of the combo instead of suggesting where to be and any shooting methods, with whatever is being used. Just make sure the equipment is properly aligned before supplying suggestions.

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Jul 20, 2021 09:51:05   #
NormanTheGr8 Loc: Racine, Wisconsin
 
1 more suggestion from a 18-400 fan, calibrate that lens to that camera body it will make a difference.

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Jul 20, 2021 10:51:30   #
Clapperboard
 
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, how does that work ? ...it has EVERYTHING to do with the question


I checked, simply by typing in Tamron 18--400 lens on a search engine and got this:


Home
Lenses
Digital SLR Lenses
Canon EF Mount Lenses
Currents: Tamron 18-400mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC HLD Lens Canon EF

Tamron 18-400mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC HLD Lens Canon EF


The lens is on offer from Park Cameras here in the UK and is listed as an EF fitment, not EFS.
I think that might suggest there is a Tamron 18 -- 400 lens that is suitable for full frame Canon cameras.

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Jul 20, 2021 10:55:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Clapperboard wrote:
I checked, simply by typing in Tamron 18--400 lens on a search engine and got this:


Home
Lenses
Digital SLR Lenses
Canon EF Mount Lenses
Currents: Tamron 18-400mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC HLD Lens Canon EF

Tamron 18-400mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC HLD Lens Canon EF


The lens is on offer from Park Cameras here in the UK and is listed as an EF fitment, not EFS.
I think that might suggest there is a Tamron 18 -- 400 lens that is suitable for full frame Canon cameras.
I checked, simply by typing in Tamron 18--400 lens... (show quote)


No. The lens is listed 'EF' as the EF-S mount is not replicated in third-party lenses. Just a bit more investigation to the Tamron product page would confirm the APS-C designation:

https://www.tamron.jp/en/product/lenses/b028.html

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Jul 20, 2021 11:14:00   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
No. The lens is listed 'EF' as the EF-S mount is not replicated in third-party lenses. Just a bit more investigation to the Tamron product page would confirm the APS-C designation:

https://www.tamron.jp/en/product/lenses/b028.html



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Jul 20, 2021 11:15:45   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Clapperboard wrote:
I checked, simply by typing in Tamron 18--400 lens on a search engine and got this:


Home
Lenses
Digital SLR Lenses
Canon EF Mount Lenses
Currents: Tamron 18-400mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC HLD Lens Canon EF

Tamron 18-400mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC HLD Lens Canon EF


The lens is on offer from Park Cameras here in the UK and is listed as an EF fitment, not EFS.
I think that might suggest there is a Tamron 18 -- 400 lens that is suitable for full frame Canon cameras.
I checked, simply by typing in Tamron 18--400 lens... (show quote)


More internet mis-information/incomplete information !

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Jul 20, 2021 12:22:58   #
planepics Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
 
I go to Oshkosh as often as I can (every 1-3 (?)) years since about 1985 even though I haven't been an active recreational pilot for years. This year I'm taking 2 cameras (a crop and a FF) and 2 lenses, along with a tripod. I try to get as close to the front row at show center as I can get. That way there aren't so many heads to try to avoid when you're panning aircraft. Shutter speed is important too, as I've ruined great pics using either too slow or too fast a shutter. For prop planes, especially WWII fighters and bombers you want a slower shutter speed so you get prop blur, maybe 1/125 at idle to, IDK, 1/500 for a strafing run...otherwise it'll look like it's trying to make a deadstick landing (ask me how I know). Jets can have a faster shutter speed because there's nithing spiining out front. The plane someone asked about in an earlier is a custom made showplane, called a YAK 110 (two YAK 55s pieced together with a jet engine in-between the fuselages). I usually handhold my lenses, but I bought a gimbal I'm going to try for my 150-600 lens - gets a bit heavy. Check out some of my FB pics of Oshkosh if you like (hotlink in signature). Some shows have quite a few more pics than others. A few of my Oshkosh pics have either been Pictures of the Week (AvWeb) or Picture of the Month (EAA desktop monthly calendar), which I'm proud of.

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Jul 20, 2021 15:59:02   #
RichinSeattle
 
It's two - red and blue (count the tail wheels). What I want to know is - is that a jet engine under the blue plane? If so, bizarre.

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