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Trading D 850 kit for new Z6II or Canon EOS R or R6
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Jul 19, 2021 07:15:14   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Resqu2 wrote:
I’m selling my Canon R tomorrow, just overall it’s not for me. I’m struggling to decide between the R5 or R6. I like more action type photography and the R isn’t that. Now if someone would just tell me which one because in a weeks time watching videos I still can’t decide.


Canon R5, with electronic shutter, gets you 20 fps. R6 doesn’t.

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Jul 19, 2021 08:11:14   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
scubadoc wrote:
Canon R5, with electronic shutter, gets you 20 fps. R6 doesn’t.


From everything I read I though both do 12 mechanical and 20 on the electronic shutter.

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Jul 19, 2021 09:21:44   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
Resqu2 wrote:
From everything I read I though both do 12 mechanical and 20 on the electronic shutter.


For what it's worth...Ken Rockwell says, "the R6 is Canon's most practical high-speed full frame mirrorless camera. The R5 is wonderful, but if you need high speed you probably don't need the R5's insane 45MP resolution at 12 or 20 fps and the accompanying slowdown in workflow from having to choke or double the data for everything that you do."

Which is why I chose the R6.

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Jul 19, 2021 09:34:29   #
Jim Bianco
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I wouldn't pick a mirrorless body that isn't IBIS-enabled, one of the weaknesses of the EOS R / RP options. The problem of keeping full-frame bodies and full-frame lenses is you really don't get the 'lighter' load. Some will argue a 30% difference is a big deal. But really, after a long day, is 2lb really a big difference over 3lbs lugging around?

You certainly should rent / try-out your candidate ideas rather than relying only on online coaching, even from Ken Rockwell.

It is not a big deal to me, and I have a bad back, good reply, it makes sense.

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Jul 19, 2021 09:37:59   #
Jim Bianco
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
I'm getting tired of lugging my D 850 kit and want to lighten the load. Even with a 24-120 f4 it becomes a bear and is large. For the Z6 II my basic kit would be a 24-70 f4, (replacing my existing 24-70 f 2.8/24-120 f4) and the 24-200 f4-6.3 replacing my 70-200 f 2.8 (no Nikon 70-200 f4 in the works) and I would continue to share an 80-400 f4-5.6 with my wife.

Then I read an article by Ken Rockwell that recommended switching to Canon Either the EOS R or R6 with a better lens system including the 24-105 f4 and 70-200 f4. The EOS R would be essentially an even trade while the EOS R6 would cost an additional $1,200. Weight of the two new systems is a non-issue.

I'm primarily a landscape/ travel photographer with some wildlife. Will I miss the D 850 45 pixels? The newer R6 only has 20 MP while the older R has 30 while the Z6 II has 24 MP.

I would love to hear from some that have made this leap.
I'm getting tired of lugging my D 850 kit and want... (show quote)

I wish I could afford the D 850, awesome camera!!!!

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Jul 19, 2021 09:40:13   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
How much lighter is your "load" going to become? Sounds like a bad GAS attack possibly.

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Jul 19, 2021 09:57:26   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Ever sold something, then months later realize you shouldn't of done it. Don't sell the D850, you'll be sorry. The D850 along with the 5D Mark IV are arguably the best dslrs ever make. If you are going to sell it, you want an equivalent or better body, so go with the Z7ii or better yet, change systems and go with the R5, which is arguably the best milc out there right now. At least until the A1, R3 and Z9 come along

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Jul 19, 2021 10:01:02   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
For what it's worth...Ken Rockwell says, "the R6 is Canon's most practical high-speed full frame mirrorless camera. The R5 is wonderful, but if you need high speed you probably don't need the R5's insane 45MP resolution at 12 or 20 fps and the accompanying slowdown in workflow from having to choke or double the data for everything that you do."

Which is why I chose the R6.


I fought this decision for a week, ultimately the unreal cost of a memory card and worrying about the file sizes made me order the R6 last night.

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Jul 19, 2021 10:14:51   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
I'm getting tired of lugging my D 850 kit and want to lighten the load. Even with a 24-120 f4 it becomes a bear and is large. For the Z6 II my basic kit would be a 24-70 f4, (replacing my existing 24-70 f 2.8/24-120 f4) and the 24-200 f4-6.3 replacing my 70-200 f 2.8 (no Nikon 70-200 f4 in the works) and I would continue to share an 80-400 f4-5.6 with my wife.

Then I read an article by Ken Rockwell that recommended switching to Canon Either the EOS R or R6 with a better lens system including the 24-105 f4 and 70-200 f4. The EOS R would be essentially an even trade while the EOS R6 would cost an additional $1,200. Weight of the two new systems is a non-issue.

I'm primarily a landscape/ travel photographer with some wildlife. Will I miss the D 850 45 pixels? The newer R6 only has 20 MP while the older R has 30 while the Z6 II has 24 MP.

I would love to hear from some that have made this leap.
I'm getting tired of lugging my D 850 kit and want... (show quote)


I’m curious as to why you didn’t mention the Z7II since that’s the closest to the D850.

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Jul 19, 2021 10:15:22   #
photoman43
 
With your D850, you need lighter lenses, not necessarily a new system. I suggest you rent/buy the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm F/4G ED VR lens and the Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR Lens. I use both of these on my D 850 and D 810 FX bodies and get excellent results. I also own the Nikon 24-70mm f2.8 G lens but now use it only when I need the extra f stop at f2.8. It stays home most of the time. For a long tele, get a Nikon 500mm f5.6 pf or a Nikon 300mm f4 pf.

I am in no hurry to buy any mirrorless system as my D500 and D850 with my lenses get the job done quite well.

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Jul 19, 2021 10:25:43   #
User ID
 
Resqu2 wrote:
I fought this decision for a week, ultimately the unreal cost of a memory card and worrying about the file sizes made me order the R6 last night.

Don’t know what card you mean. If you mean your new Canon avoids the CFAST express type B card used by Nikon then I’d definitely agree about the crazy cost !

My own Z6 was chosen for a specific reason unique to Nikons, so I’m stuck with the high $$ card :-(

FWIW FYI my card, with a reader, was $240 for a 128GB express type B and a reader that reads ONLY express B. (A reader of more global ability would add another $80.)

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Fortunately my camera is a refurb and the savings more than cover the $240. Acoarst next year that $240 will very likely be only $120. So, it works out to $10/month for one year of impatience.

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Jul 19, 2021 10:31:26   #
Resqu2 Loc: SW Va
 
User ID wrote:
Don’t know what card you mean. If you mean your new Canon avoids the CFAST express type B card used by Nikon then I’d definitely agree about the crazy cost !

My own Z6 was chosen for a specific reason unique to Nikons, so I’m stuck with the high $$ card :-(

FWIW FYI my card plus a reader was $240, for a 128 express type B and a reader that reads ONLY express B. (A reader of more global ability would add another $80.)

Fortunately my camera is a refurb and the savings more than cover the $240.
Don’t know what card you mean. If you mean your ne... (show quote)


The R5 uses the CFExpress in one card slot and goodness they are crazy high.

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Jul 19, 2021 10:39:08   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Resqu2 wrote:
The R5 uses the CFExpress in one card slot and goodness they are crazy high.


For that expense you get increased buffer and fast transfer speeds. Up to individuals if that is worth it.

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Jul 19, 2021 10:56:23   #
User ID
 
scubadoc wrote:
For that expense you get increased buffer and fast transfer speeds. Up to individuals if that is worth it.

Not immediately for me. I coulda put an original type XQD in there much cheaper, but very often I find that future proofing proves to be worthwhile.

Transfer speed ? The fastest port on my PC is, ironically, the SD card slot !!!

Buffer ? Same file size as my D750 that has never run out of buffer. My style of burst is very few frames per burst.

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Jul 19, 2021 11:59:00   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Gene51 wrote:
If I were in your shoes, getting new lenses and body, I'd consider Sony and Canon. But if I had a D850 I wouldn't trade it for anything other than it's upgrade, whenever it becomes available. If your skills are strong, going lower in mp will be a disadvantage.


100% agree Gene. That used D850 would sell quick with the current short supply of equipment.

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