Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA

Recently I posted how DeNoise AI performed on a noisy photograph. The RX100 VII ISO was set to 3200 and the RAW images were worked on. The photo was tightly cropped.

I still have more to learn how to best use ON1 NoNoise AI, but I have found it a bit easier to use than DeNoise AI.

I suggest that you download these tiff files to make your conclusions. IMHO, both do a nice job and I don't see any differences of consequence.

original cropped

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cropped DeNoise AI

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cropped ON1 NoNoise

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Jrhoffman75 Loc: Conway, New Hampshire

Thank for this comparison.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Thanks for posting this, but any difference is too slight for me to make a decision. I have Topaz, and I'll stick with that.

Jimmy T Loc: Virginia

Thanks for the comparison.
The latest version of Topaz DeNoise that I have is v3.1.2.
Which version did you use?
Smile,
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Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA

Hi JimmyT,
I also used v3.1.2.
Thanks,
Doc Barry

Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA

Hi Jerryc41,

At this point I think they both do a fine job at least on this test. I tried to create a test having a range of detail, lots of noise, and high dynamic range (black to white). Attached is a photo I took with the same camera later in the day but with the ISO at 64. This provide a comparative base perhaps. I should have done it at the same time, but was rushed to get something else done. :-)

What is true is that using the lowest ISO you can and make the shot, less noise will be seen. From this test, of ISO 64 vs 3200, the two programs do a good job of mitigating the noise, but not to the level of quality of the ISO 64 image.

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joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA

A great job ✳️💫☀️💫✳️

Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA

Thank you.

Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara

Read MattK video comparison. My test matches his and he is an On1 instructor. NoNoise goes too far, I can’t get it to work with PhotoShop , it wants me to change my workflow to take the raw file to it, then back as a dng. I don’t work that way. I want process the raw image then send it to noise reduction. On1 Raw doesn’t create dng so you have to send it over as psd, tiff, or jpeg. But NoNoise gives you a warning if it isn’t a raw file.

Lastly, I been a very loyal On1 user for years but the approach they are using for the release of NoNoise sucks. Fir years they have fallen behind competitors in updating basic functions like noise reduction, sharpening, resizing, hdr, pano, stacking. Now when they finally fix one they want all the On1 raw customers to buy NoNoise instead of putting it in On1 raw first. I’ve spent way more than the cost of On1 (plus pro member) buying Topaz DeNoise, Topaz Sharpen AI, Topaz Gigapixel and Affinity Photo to cover the holes they have. I’m so pissed at them I’ve been taking PhotoShop and Lightroom classes to see if it’s time to change which is ironic since I left Adobe years ago for similar reasons. I still like On1 because honestly I don’t need the power of PhotoShop for 90% of my images and hate the complexity.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Doing comparisons is a difficult task, thank you for the comparison, and your comment... IMHO, both do a nice job and I don't see any differences of consequence. If we can not see the difference we must see the difference in our menu preference and price differences.

Criticism... the peddle with the pollen is uncomplicated... and if it is cropped and the three images are put on one expanded canvas then we can better see the comparison. The act of cropping would exaggerate the noise and better demonstrate the abilities of the denoise programs. Your full image is complicated, better that it be a simple image.

Also good is good but beyond a point, the perception of an AB comparison pushes equipment and eye/brain comparisons. Of course, as I suggested having the pollen leaf comparison on an expanded canvas would help our limitations. Limitations... as you Doc Barry said, "IMHO, both do a nice job and I don't see any differences of consequence." We poor feeble humans can not see what a robot with AI can see, farewell humans, hello self-replicating robots; Just like in the movie "I Robot."

Douglas Tharp Loc: Texas

On1 plus members have to wait for DeNoise to be released with the fall update. If you want the DeNoise now you will have to buy it.

Don’t understand when you spend $149.99 to become a One 1 plus member why you don’t get DeNoise now. Does not make since money wise. Having On1 having collecting twice.

If you are having this problem contact support.

kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy

I don't know On1 so I can't compare, but Topaz has multiple options for noise removal, including Denoise, Clear, Low Light and Severe Noise at various levels of noise reduction and sharpening, and all are valuable and use different algorithms for different kinds of noise.

I have found that I use Denoise at different points in my workflow, and sometimes use it twice: a second time after various steps of sharpening and deconvolution within my Photoshop workflow. For me Topaz is perfect.

Josephakraig

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I don't have a huge noise problem any more but on occasion it really comes in handy especially if you have to do some serious cropping. I mostly shoot with a Nikon D850 and try to shoot at ISO 400 and below, the pictures come out buttery smooth and never need noise reduction unless I also do sharpening and then I find that might add noise and the noise reduction routine in Photoshop usually does a pretty good job of reducing it but sometimes also softens the image.

I think Adobe has seen a lot of third party software offer things they don't or at least didn't offer and are trying to catch up. The main thing I use Photoshop for is "developing" the raw image. Sometimes Nikon in camera gets the JPEG right but most of the time I like my version better. There are a lot of programs that will edit the raw file in that way, some of them free but when you need the other features it is hard to beat PS.

Of late I have been doing a lot of shooting on Auto ISO, the 850 is wonderful for that. The camera won't usually get any where close to the limit I set until night time. I set the limit to ISO 6400 and never get a blurry picture but at night time especially I do get some noise. I don't notice noise even at high ISO's until I start pixel peeping, but once you see it it can't be unseen so I work to get rid of the noise. I think ISO 6400 is better than 3200 on the 810 and perhaps close to 1600 on the 800. When I shot with the 800 and 810 I didn't worry about noise I just avoided it by using low ISO's, slow shutter speeds and multiple exposures hoping to get one good one. I've gotten a lot of good photo's that way but being able to take some noise out of an otherwise great picture is a real plus. If you aren't using noise reduction but need it there are good programs to help you out and in my opinion well worth the effort.

47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range

I think it's just an enticement for current users of ON1 PH to upgrade again this Fall when the 2022 version comes out. I used and upgraded to the latest version for 3 years now and unless I have a weakness of mind, it'll be my last. The upgrade is usually about $80 and plus membership eventually $40 when a discount finally rolls around. The program is supposed to be (as reviewed by others) so intuitive and easy to learn. I personally think it's too much of a poor Swiss army knife and consequently doesn't do anything well. And... by the time.... I had Plus to the upgrade, I might as well be paying for the dreaded Adobe package for a year. Maybe, I'll just just LR5.7, PSE 2019, and FastView and call it a day.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

I did a crop so that the image multiplayer is 600% then merged all three onto one canvas. The focus was the leaf with pollen. Full size images were 1357x1036 cropped was 211x131.

The difference between the no processing and the Topaz and On-1 was remarkable, but the difference between the de-noise Topaz and de-noise On-1 was not seen. Topaz and On-1 De-Noise programs were equivalent.