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Tamron Macro lens problem
Jul 6, 2021 19:48:19   #
robbiedoug Loc: Cuero, Texas
 
Somehow I have acquired a Tamron macro lens (it has been stashed away for several years) and I don't know how to use it. It is a Tamron 90mm f2.8 macro 1:1. Ultrasonic Silent Drive. On the bottom (camera) end there are several notations: Full, .5m to infinity, .3m to .5m; beneath that is AF/ MF; beneath that is SP On/Off; then VC. I would appreciate anyone familiar with this monster please reply to my query and help me learn how to use it. Also, when I take a shot that looks to properly fill the viewfinder, but when I view it in the rear screen (Nikon D500), it is grossly enlarged and out of focus. Have I made some unusual setting and don't know how to get back to normal? If you are curious, I am 85 years old and have been out of active photography for 15-20 years. I just recently purchased my D500 and am trying to scale the steep learning curve.
Thanks for any assistance offered.

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Jul 6, 2021 19:58:33   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
So, I went to the Tamron-usa.com website, clicked on Instruction Manuals, then Di series glass and see 3 model numbers for 90mm f/2.8 macros. They are the F017, F004, and 272E. If you give me the model number, I would be happy to go back into their website search for another 2 or 3 minutes and get you a precise url.

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Jul 6, 2021 20:27:10   #
wjones8637 Loc: Burleson, TX
 
The Full etc. allows autofocusing over the full range, 0.5 m to infinity or 0.3 to 0.5 m. AF/MF selects auto or manual focus.not sure of SP

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Jul 6, 2021 20:32:25   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
they are ficus ranges to get quicker focus. pick the range your shooting.
the af mf are for auto focus manual focus. VC is vibration control like image stabilization. its tameron name for it

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Jul 6, 2021 20:35:16   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
how did you somewhere acquired a nice lens

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Jul 7, 2021 07:04:26   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
If you're only inches away from your subject your DOF will be extremely shallow. Back up some and use a small aperture. I use f/16 and f/18 for greater DOF. For a good shot it's not necessary to shoot 1:1 to fill the screen. You can keep more distance between you and the subject and then crop on the computer.

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Jul 7, 2021 10:32:33   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
That’s the model F004. The first bit is the focus limiter switch. It can help with autofocus performance by limiting the range when it hunts for focus. The second is the Auto-Manual focus switch. The SP is just a Tamron designation, this is one of their “Super Performance” lenses and the last on-off switch is for Vibration Control.

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Jul 7, 2021 12:23:49   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
robbiedoug wrote:
Somehow I have acquired a Tamron macro lens (it has been stashed away for several years) and I don't know how to use it. It is a Tamron 90mm f2.8 macro 1:1. Ultrasonic Silent Drive. On the bottom (camera) end there are several notations: Full, .5m to infinity, .3m to .5m; beneath that is AF/ MF; beneath that is SP On/Off; then VC. I would appreciate anyone familiar with this monster please reply to my query and help me learn how to use it. Also, when I take a shot that looks to properly fill the viewfinder, but when I view it in the rear screen (Nikon D500), it is grossly enlarged and out of focus. Have I made some unusual setting and don't know how to get back to normal? If you are curious, I am 85 years old and have been out of active photography for 15-20 years. I just recently purchased my D500 and am trying to scale the steep learning curve.
Thanks for any assistance offered.
Somehow I have acquired a Tamron macro lens (it ha... (show quote)


The SP merely indicates it is part of the SP series of macro lenses Tamron produces.

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Jul 7, 2021 12:28:56   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
Here is a quick overview of this lens: https://www.tamron-usa.com/product/lenses/f017.html.

Full, .5m to infinity, .3m to .5m are settings for automatic focus ranges in meters. So when you partially press the shutter it will search for focus within those ranges. Macro lenses sometimes can't find the focus and they wind up hunting for it way out toward infinity. But these switches make it search within certain ranges. You would keep it at .3 to .5 m for macrophotography.

AF/ MF is a switch for automatic focus (used with the focus ranges mentioned already), and then manual focus. This lens has full time manual focus so you can adjust the focus ring even when using automatic focus.

SP On/Off. I'm not sure about that. SP means Super Performance, but I thought that was a designation of having extra high quality.

VC (this should be On/Off). This is vibration compensation. When on, the lens works to reduce blurring due to camera shake when you use the lens hand-held. You can use slightly slower shutter speeds to catch more light, while VC works to prevent blurring if the camera moves slightly. A good rule is to turn this OFF if you are using a tripod. The reason being that it will still work to reduce vibration, and it contributes to wear and tear. When ON, you will likely hear some odd noises coming from the lens. These are little motors that are working to move the lenses. It normal.

I don't know why you are having a focusing problem. Perhaps you can post a picture here of what kinds of pictures are taken. But one issue could be you are shooting hand held, and your shutter speed is too slow, resulting in blurring from camera shake.

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Jul 7, 2021 21:17:10   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
You have made a giant technology leap in moving to a new camera and a recently acquired macro lens. My advice would be to turn off all the 'features' of this lens and use it as a 100mm lens on your D500. Take many pictures of different subjects without EVER trying to do a close up or macro photo. Get a feeling of the lens and what you/it can do.

Next, choose a macro subject like a flower. Shoot the entire blossom and surrounding folaige in a ''pleasing" image. Then go closer and take a few pictures, then go closer and take a few pictures, then focus the lens as close as it focuses (1:1) and move you and the camera physically closer to the flower to explore what you see through the viewfinder of this subject. Take a few pictures. Look at them. What could you do better/different the next time you take/make this kind of picture? - Then, do it.

Slowly explore the VR feature as well as your ability to hand hold the camera at a macro focus distance. Take a pic or two with and without so you have something to actually see that shows the 'difference' between having it turned on or off. Can you see a benefit?

You are also just beginning to learn a new camera, dramatically advanced technology imaging system. Do it slowly. You can't learn everything without trying it, using it and learning how it works for you. (Get a good book on the features/capabilities of the D500. Explore one feature at a time.)

There is no 'fast track' to going from one level of technology to a current one. You have to learn, almost from the beginning.

(I own two of this lens. One stays in the studio. The other goes with me, out into the 'real world.')

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Jul 7, 2021 21:21:27   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
You have made a giant technology leap in moving to a new camera and a recently acquired macro lens. My advice would be to turn off all the 'features' of this lens and use it as a 100mm lens on your D500. Take many pictures of different subjects without EVER trying to do a close up or macro photo. Get a feeling of the lens and what you/it can do.

Next, choose a macro subject like a flower. Shoot the entire blossom and surrounding folaige in a ''pleasing" image. Then go closer and take a few pictures, then go closer and take a few pictures, then focus the lens as close as it focuses (1:1) and move you and the camera physically closer to the flower to explore what you see through the viewfinder of this subject. Take a few pictures. Look at them. What could you do better/different the next time you take/make this kind of picture? - Then, do it.

Slowly explore the VR feature as well as your ability to hand hold the camera at a macro focus distance. Take a pic or two with and without so you have something to actually see that shows the 'difference' between having it turned on or off. Can you see a benefit?

You are also just beginning to learn a new camera, dramatically advanced technology imaging system. Do it slowly. You can't learn everything without trying it, using it and learning how it works for you. (Get a good book on the features/capabilities of the D500. Explore one feature at a time.)

There is no 'fast track' to going from one level of technology to a current one. You have to learn, almost from the beginning.

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Jul 8, 2021 14:27:48   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
robbiedoug wrote:
Somehow I have acquired a Tamron macro lens (it has been stashed away for several years) and I don't know how to use it. It is a Tamron 90mm f2.8 macro 1:1. Ultrasonic Silent Drive. On the bottom (camera) end there are several notations: Full, .5m to infinity, .3m to .5m; beneath that is AF/ MF; beneath that is SP On/Off; then VC. I would appreciate anyone familiar with this monster please reply to my query and help me learn how to use it. Also, when I take a shot that looks to properly fill the viewfinder, but when I view it in the rear screen (Nikon D500), it is grossly enlarged and out of focus. Have I made some unusual setting and don't know how to get back to normal? If you are curious, I am 85 years old and have been out of active photography for 15-20 years. I just recently purchased my D500 and am trying to scale the steep learning curve.
Thanks for any assistance offered.
Somehow I have acquired a Tamron macro lens (it ha... (show quote)


That's a fairly recent model of the lens, since it has both USD and VC.

The controls on the lens are:

- AF/MF turns autofocus on and off. A lot of people like to use manual focus when shooting macro. They'll preset the approx. magnification they want, then move closer or farther from the subject until it's in focus. There are "focusing rails" or "stages" for use with tripods to do this. With digital cameras, it can help to use Live View and magnify the image on the camera's rear screen... or even tether the camera to a tablet or laptop with a larger screen. Of course, you also can use autofocus and might especially want to do so when shooting at non-macro distances.

- The three position switch is a "Focus Limiter". It can be set to cover the full range of the lens, non macro distances (.5m to infinity) or to only the macro distances (.3m to .5m). This is useful because macro lenses are typically relatively slow focusing, even when they use a fast motor like the "ultrasonic" one in your lens (that's what "USD" means). The reason is that macro shots have very shallow depth of field, are unforgiving of focus errors, so the lenses typically use "long throw" focusing mechanisms that emphasize accuracy, at some cost in speed. The Focus Limiter can help you speed up focusing in various situations.

- The "VC" switch simply turns the lens' image stabilization on or off (Tamron calls it "Vibration Control"... hence "VC"). This will help you make steady shots with the lens. It's most useful at non-macro distances and probably will allow you to use two, three or maybe even four stops slower shutter speed than you'd normally need for hand held shooting with a 90mm lens (which "acts like 135mm on an APS-C D500 camera). Don't expect this level of help at closer distances though... macro is more susceptible to camera shake blur. As the lens is used at higher magnification, unfortunately this also magnifies any movement that's occurring. You might only see one stop of assistance doing hand held macro.... maybe even less at the highest magnification.

Also, Tamron probably tells you to turn off VC when using a tripod. Check the manual for that lens, to be sure. Many lenses with image stabilization need it turned off when the lens and camera are on a tripod and there's no movement. The reason is that the stabilization can "go crazy" with sort of a feedback loop when there's no movement to correct. It can actually cause movement and blurred images. It is necessary with all Sigma lenses that have stabilization (which they call "OS" or "optical stabilization"). It is only necessary to turn off IS on a few of Canon's lenses (5 out of around 35 or 40 with IS). The rest automatically turn it off when there's no movement. But I don't know about Tamron's VC, so be sure to check the manual on that lens.

The rest of the stuff on that lens is simply designations and information, not things you need to worry about. For many years "SP" is a designation Tamron has used for their premium lenses. It stands for something like "superior performance". I've used many Tamron SP lenses over the years and most have been excellent. I suspect you have the #F004 version of the lens, because "SP" is printed on it in gold in between the AF on/off slider and the VC on/off slider buttons (both of which are labelled in white ink). "SP" doesn't relate to either of those. It's just a designation.

I'm sure you know what 90mm and f/2.8 mean... focal length and the max (largest possible) aperture of the lens.

1:1 just tells you the lens is capable of full 1.0X magnification. What this means is that at it's closest focus distance, you can photograph something the same size as your camera's sensor. Being an APS-C in the D500, that image sensor is about 15x23mm. To put this in perspective, a US dime (10 cent coin) is about 17mm in diameter... so at the lens' highest possible magnification that coin would be slightly cut off top and bottom in your viewfinder.

I think all the Tamron 90mm macro models with USD and VC have been "internal focusing" or "IF" lenses. This means they don't increase in length at all when focused closer. Some macro lenses that aren't IF nearly double in size, which significantly reduces working distance between the front of the lens and the subject. Working distance can be a real problem shooting macro. Some subjects are shy and won't let you get too close. Others can bite or sting and may be dangerous. Even tame, friendly subjects (i.e., flowers) you might cast a shadow over when you get too close. And it can be difficult using a flash with a lens in the way.

The Tamron 90mm lenses are said to have a Minimum Focus Distance (MFD) of about 12 inches. But MFD is not the same as working distance. MFD that all manufacturers reference is measured from the "film plane" or "image sensor plane" of the camera to the subject. So part of the camera and the lens itself are occupying some of that distance. What's left is the working distance between the front of the lens and the subject.... and is a lot less than the stated MFD. Working distance would also be further reduced by adding any accessories to the front of the lens.... filters, lens hoods, or a macro flash, for example.

With the Tamron 90mm on your camera and set to it's max magnification/minimum focus distance, I think you'll find that the working distance between lens and subject is about 5" (assuming no hood or other accessories on the lens). Not a lot... but this is better than other macro lenses with much shorter focal lengths. There are longer focal length macro.... 150mm, 180mm and 200mm.... more working distance, but also shallower depth of field, more difficult to hold steady and more likely to need a tripod. Because of these factors, I usually recommend a macro lens in the 90mm, 100mm or 105mm focal length. They are a good compromise and might be the most useful.

As far as I know, there have been two versions of Tamron 90mm with both USD and VC: model #F004 and #F017. Look closely and you will probably find one or the other of those printed somewhere on the lens. Once you know the model, as recommended in an earlier response, go to the Tamron website and download the manual for your lens. The F017 is current production, while the F004 is an older version so you'll need to look under "discontinued" models (note there were probably 6 or 8 earlier version of the Tamron 90mm, it was first introduced as a manual focus lens in the 1980s).

You also might want to read more about the lens in reviews online... A good place to start is here: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Tamron-Lens-Reviews.aspx. Bryan mostly concentrates on Canon gear and his testing of the Tamron 90mm lenses was done using Canon cameras, but the info should be useful regardless what brand camera the lens will be used upon. He appears to have reviewed the last three versions of the lens... including both the models with USD, VC and internal focusing.

Hope this helps!

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Jul 8, 2021 15:09:25   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
That's a fairly recent model of the lens, since it has both USD and VC.

The controls on the lens are:

- AF/MF turns autofocus on and off. A lot of people like to use manual focus when shooting macro. They'll preset the approx. magnification they want, then move closer or farther from the subject until it's in focus. There are "focusing rails" or "stages" for use with tripods to do this. With digital cameras, it can help to use Live View and magnify the image on the camera's rear screen... or even tether the camera to a tablet or laptop with a larger screen. Of course, you also can use autofocus and might especially want to do so when shooting at non-macro distances.

- The three position switch is a "Focus Limiter". It can be set to cover the full range of the lens, non macro distances (.5m to infinity) or to only the macro distances (.3m to .5m). This is useful because macro lenses are typically relatively slow focusing, even when they use a fast motor like the "ultrasonic" one in your lens (that's what "USD" means). The reason is that macro shots have very shallow depth of field, are unforgiving of focus errors, so the lenses typically use "long throw" focusing mechanisms that emphasize accuracy, at some cost in speed. The Focus Limiter can help you speed up focusing in various situations.

- The "VC" switch simply turns the lens' image stabilization on or off (Tamron calls it "Vibration Control"... hence "VC"). This will help you make steady shots with the lens. It's most useful at non-macro distances and probably will allow you to use two, three or maybe even four stops slower shutter speed than you'd normally need for hand held shooting with a 90mm lens (which "acts like 135mm on an APS-C D500 camera). Don't expect this level of help at closer distances though... macro is more susceptible to camera shake blur. As the lens is used at higher magnification, unfortunately this also magnifies any movement that's occurring. You might only see one stop of assistance doing hand held macro.... maybe even less at the highest magnification.

Also, Tamron probably tells you to turn off VC when using a tripod. Check the manual for that lens, to be sure. Many lenses with image stabilization need it turned off when the lens and camera are on a tripod and there's no movement. The reason is that the stabilization can "go crazy" with sort of a feedback loop when there's no movement to correct. It can actually cause movement and blurred images. It is necessary with all Sigma lenses that have stabilization (which they call "OS" or "optical stabilization"). It is only necessary to turn off IS on a few of Canon's lenses (5 out of around 35 or 40 with IS). The rest automatically turn it off when there's no movement. But I don't know about Tamron's VC, so be sure to check the manual on that lens.

The rest of the stuff on that lens is simply designations and information, not things you need to worry about. For many years "SP" is a designation Tamron has used for their premium lenses. It stands for something like "superior performance". I've used many Tamron SP lenses over the years and most have been excellent. I suspect you have the #F004 version of the lens, because "SP" is printed on it in gold in between the AF on/off slider and the VC on/off slider buttons (both of which are labelled in white ink). "SP" doesn't relate to either of those. It's just a designation.

I'm sure you know what 90mm and f/2.8 mean... focal length and the max (largest possible) aperture of the lens.

1:1 just tells you the lens is capable of full 1.0X magnification. What this means is that at it's closest focus distance, you can photograph something the same size as your camera's sensor. Being an APS-C in the D500, that image sensor is about 15x23mm. To put this in perspective, a US dime (10 cent coin) is about 17mm in diameter... so at the lens' highest possible magnification that coin would be slightly cut off top and bottom in your viewfinder.

I think all the Tamron 90mm macro models with USD and VC have been "internal focusing" or "IF" lenses. This means they don't increase in length at all when focused closer. Some macro lenses that aren't IF nearly double in size, which significantly reduces working distance between the front of the lens and the subject. Working distance can be a real problem shooting macro. Some subjects are shy and won't let you get too close. Others can bite or sting and may be dangerous. Even tame, friendly subjects (i.e., flowers) you might cast a shadow over when you get too close. And it can be difficult using a flash with a lens in the way.

The Tamron 90mm lenses are said to have a Minimum Focus Distance (MFD) of about 12 inches. But MFD is not the same as working distance. MFD that all manufacturers reference is measured from the "film plane" or "image sensor plane" of the camera to the subject. So part of the camera and the lens itself are occupying some of that distance. What's left is the working distance between the front of the lens and the subject.... and is a lot less than the stated MFD. Working distance would also be further reduced by adding any accessories to the front of the lens.... filters, lens hoods, or a macro flash, for example.

With the Tamron 90mm on your camera and set to it's max magnification/minimum focus distance, I think you'll find that the working distance between lens and subject is about 5" (assuming no hood or other accessories on the lens). Not a lot... but this is better than other macro lenses with much shorter focal lengths. There are longer focal length macro.... 150mm, 180mm and 200mm.... more working distance, but also shallower depth of field, more difficult to hold steady and more likely to need a tripod. Because of these factors, I usually recommend a macro lens in the 90mm, 100mm or 105mm focal length. They are a good compromise and might be the most useful.

As far as I know, there have been two versions of Tamron 90mm with both USD and VC: model #F004 and #F017. Look closely and you will probably find one or the other of those printed somewhere on the lens. Once you know the model, as recommended in an earlier response, go to the Tamron website and download the manual for your lens. The F017 is current production, while the F004 is an older version so you'll need to look under "discontinued" models (note there were probably 6 or 8 earlier version of the Tamron 90mm, it was first introduced as a manual focus lens in the 1980s).

You also might want to read more about the lens in reviews online... A good place to start is here: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Tamron-Lens-Reviews.aspx. Bryan mostly concentrates on Canon gear and his testing of the Tamron 90mm lenses was done using Canon cameras, but the info should be useful regardless what brand camera the lens will be used upon. He appears to have reviewed the last three versions of the lens... including both the models with USD, VC and internal focusing.

Hope this helps!
That's a fairly recent model of the lens, since it... (show quote)


You’re right, that is model F004. I don’t know that I’d call it fairly recent since it was replaced 6 years ago by the F017. The interesting thing with the Nikon mount is that my old model 272E works flawlessly with the FTZ mount and the model F004 supposedly works, (I can’t speak from experience), but the Tamron site still shows the F017 as “Future support planned”. It doesn’t matter in that D500 but interesting info if you ever switch to mirrorless.

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