alf85 wrote:
If the tripod or head had moved, or if it was a double exposure you would get a shadow of the other tree's as well.
Alf.
And thats EXACTLY what is there!
Agreed MT, if you invert the image and adjust contrast it's easier to make out details like that. That's something I've gleaned from astronomy!
asylum1972 wrote:
Here are the two shots back-to-back. The tripod didn't move
The two shots have the same settings. I wonder if it's a "shutter" issue?
Check the Metadata .... the exposures may not be what you thought........
alf85
Loc: Northumberland, UK.
MT Shooter wrote:
alf85 wrote:
If the tripod or head had moved, or if it was a double exposure you would get a shadow of the other tree's as well.
Alf.
And thats EXACTLY what is there!
If you can see the shadows from the tree laying down and the tree laying across the water, your a better man than me Gunga din.
A fictitious poem character dreamed up by Rudyard Kipling? Thats not hard. And I do see those reflected images, quite evident to anyone who downloads the image and looks for them
DEBJENROB wrote:
asylum1972 wrote:
Here are the two shots back-to-back. The tripod didn't move
The two shots have the same settings. I wonder if it's a "shutter" issue?
Check the Metadata .... the exposures may not be what you thought........
I must be missing something, file info would tend to support all statements made about photo. Two 4sec exposures, #1 at 18.37:33secs and #2 18.37:42 secs
sjrw
Loc: Gunnislake, Cornwall, UK
alf85 wrote:
If the tripod or head had moved, or if it was a double exposure you would get a shadow of the other tree's as well.
Alf.
There is a shadow of the other sticky-up tree to the side of the light, so it does look like the entire picture is duplicated to the side, like a nudge. Perhaps a very small earth quake or slip.
Enlarging the photo and observing the bright light or spot on the left of the photo you will see a slight shifting of the light twice, giving one whole image, and two partial images.
Further close examination shows another second ghostly image of the upright branches. This makes it appear that the camera shifted it's position twice more during the exposure. I tend to agree with MT Shooters primary explanation that movement occurred either at the beginning of the shoot, or at the end.
MT Shooter wrote:
asylum1972 wrote:
Was out shooting a sunrise this morning and came across a photo that has a "shadow" of the driftwood in the foreground. I know this is a lousy photo, so I'm not looking for a critique, but rather an explanation on how the shadow occurred...
My Gear: Canon T3i, Canon 10-22mm lens, tripod and cable release. No filter of any kind.
Settings: Aperture Priority in Raw & JPeg. f/29, 4 sec, iso 100 at 21mm. Manual White Balance. Flash did not fire.
My first thought was that my tripod somehow moved, but the photo taken immediately after this one is in the same spot, except no ghosting/shadow. This image is right out of the camera with no post processing.
Has anyone experienced this?
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It almost looks like a severely underexposed first exposure, with a properly exposed second exposure shifted slightly to the right. Its not a filter reflection of there would be distortion evident from your front lens element. I have never seen this done accidently before.
Its also possible that, given the long exposure, the tripod was kicked just after the shutter opened, or just before it closed giving a slight exposure time in the "ghosted" position, and the majority of the exposure in the exposed position.
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I have to agree. The shutter opened, an image was created, the tripod moved and took a longer better image leaving the ghost remnant behind. Kind of cool if you could control it.
Phreedom
Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
asylum1972 wrote:
Was out shooting a sunrise this morning and came across a photo that has a "shadow" of the driftwood in the foreground. I know this is a lousy photo, so I'm not looking for a critique, but rather an explanation on how the shadow occurred...
My Gear: Canon T3i, Canon 10-22mm lens, tripod and cable release. No filter of any kind.
Settings: Aperture Priority in Raw & JPeg. f/29, 4 sec, iso 100 at 21mm. Manual White Balance. Flash did not fire.
My first thought was that my tripod somehow moved, but the photo taken immediately after this one is in the same spot, except no ghosting/shadow. This image is right out of the camera with no post processing.
Has anyone experienced this?
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My 2 cents. The ghosting appears to be only dark areas and not lighted. If the camera was nudged to create a double exposure effect I would expect to see duplications of the far shoreline lights... especially the light house... as well as the brighter patches of sky. I see none.
Allowing for the fact that the shots are not level to the horizon, that the ghosting is slightly higher than the tree roots, that the rays of the rising sun would cast a shadow slightly elevated as they broach the horizon and to the left as the sun is to the right... I think it is a true shadow probably projected on a tenuous drifting patch of mist between camera and the roots, not noticed by the naked eye but visible in the 4 second exposure. In the next shot the mist has moved on.
Phreedom wrote:
asylum1972 wrote:
Was out shooting a sunrise this morning and came across a photo that has a "shadow" of the driftwood in the foreground. I know this is a lousy photo, so I'm not looking for a critique, but rather an explanation on how the shadow occurred...
My Gear: Canon T3i, Canon 10-22mm lens, tripod and cable release. No filter of any kind.
Settings: Aperture Priority in Raw & JPeg. f/29, 4 sec, iso 100 at 21mm. Manual White Balance. Flash did not fire.
My first thought was that my tripod somehow moved, but the photo taken immediately after this one is in the same spot, except no ghosting/shadow. This image is right out of the camera with no post processing.
Has anyone experienced this?
Was out shooting a sunrise this morning and came a... (
show quote)
My 2 cents. The ghosting appears to be only dark areas and not lighted. If the camera was nudged to create a double exposure effect I would expect to see duplications of the far shoreline lights... especially the light house... as well as the brighter patches of sky. I see none.
Allowing for the fact that the shots are not level to the horizon, that the ghosting is slightly higher than the tree roots, that the rays of the rising sun would cast a shadow slightly elevated as they broach the horizon and to the left as the sun is to the right... I think it is a true shadow probably projected on a tenuous drifting patch of mist between camera and the roots, not noticed by the naked eye but visible in the 4 second exposure. In the next shot the mist has moved on.
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The light on the far shore has moved out of the photo. Something moved during the long exposure. The water is even showing up on the right when you download it and look at it in Photoshop. It is definitely a double exposure of sorts even though the shutter was only released once. It is not the camera.
alf85 wrote:
If the tripod or head had moved, or if it was a double exposure you would get a shadow of the other tree's as well.
Alf.
If you look there is a a shadow of the other tree only it isn't as clear because it is darker = less exposure.
I recon the tripod moved which would give the ghosting effect and would underexpose the image and affect the sharpness.
Phreedom wrote:
asylum1972 wrote:
Was out shooting a sunrise this morning and came across a photo that has a "shadow" of the driftwood in the foreground. I know this is a lousy photo, so I'm not looking for a critique, but rather an explanation on how the shadow occurred...
My Gear: Canon T3i, Canon 10-22mm lens, tripod and cable release. No filter of any kind.
Settings: Aperture Priority in Raw & JPeg. f/29, 4 sec, iso 100 at 21mm. Manual White Balance. Flash did not fire.
My first thought was that my tripod somehow moved, but the photo taken immediately after this one is in the same spot, except no ghosting/shadow. This image is right out of the camera with no post processing.
Has anyone experienced this?
Was out shooting a sunrise this morning and came a... (
show quote)
My 2 cents. The ghosting appears to be only dark areas and not lighted. If the camera was nudged to create a double exposure effect I would expect to see duplications of the far shoreline lights... especially the light house... as well as the brighter patches of sky. I see none.
Allowing for the fact that the shots are not level to the horizon, that the ghosting is slightly higher than the tree roots, that the rays of the rising sun would cast a shadow slightly elevated as they broach the horizon and to the left as the sun is to the right... I think it is a true shadow probably projected on a tenuous drifting patch of mist between camera and the roots, not noticed by the naked eye but visible in the 4 second exposure. In the next shot the mist has moved on.
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I would suggest you look at the light patch of sky to the right of the upright driftwood, then look at the light patch of sky between that driftwood and its ghost. Very clearly the same patch of sky has been repeated there. And yes, the far shore light ghost is out of frame with the tripod/head shift.
asylum1972 wrote:
Was out shooting a sunrise this morning and came across a photo that has a "shadow" of the driftwood in the foreground. I know this is a lousy photo, so I'm not looking for a critique, but rather an explanation on how the shadow occurred...
My Gear: Canon T3i, Canon 10-22mm lens, tripod and cable release. No filter of any kind.
Settings: Aperture Priority in Raw & JPeg. f/29, 4 sec, iso 100 at 21mm. Manual White Balance. Flash did not fire.
My first thought was that my tripod somehow moved, but the photo taken immediately after this one is in the same spot, except no ghosting/shadow. This image is right out of the camera with no post processing.
Has anyone experienced this?
Was out shooting a sunrise this morning and came a... (
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I wouldn't worry about it. With a 4s exposure anything could have happened. That's why we chimp and take more than one image.
asylum1972 wrote:
Here are the two shots back-to-back. The tripod didn't move
The two shots have the same settings. I wonder if it's a "shutter" issue?
How about a really simple explanation? Camera & lens in very warm car. Very cold outside. Condensation on front of lens! Second shot it's starting to dry off! Maybe could be what happened?
If you were shooting at sunrise, you clock is set incorrectly in camera as it indicates an evening shot.
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