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Jul 3, 2021 11:34:42   #
Brian J.
 
Local paper (Panama City News Herald) reported incident at local restaurant. A concealed carry gun in a fellow's pocket "accidentally" fired & he shot his wife in the calf. She received treatment at a local hospital. The report added that no charges were filed as the man had a concealed carry permit. They did not, however, report what his wife had said.
Brian J.

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Jul 3, 2021 11:48:23   #
NMGal Loc: NE NM
 
I can only imagine.

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Jul 3, 2021 11:49:16   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Accidents happen every day, and you just have to take them in stride. It's good he had that permit. We can't just let any idiots carry guns around. Maybe his wife will get a gun now.

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Jul 3, 2021 11:58:41   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Brian J. wrote:
Local paper (Panama City News Herald) reported incident at local restaurant. A concealed carry gun in a fellow's pocket "accidentally" fired & he shot his wife in the calf. She received treatment at a local hospital. The report added that no charges were filed as the man had a concealed carry permit. They did not, however, report what his wife had said.
Brian J.


Apparently his concealed carry course, if he had one, was a little thin on firearm safety training, or he wasn’t listening very well. Inexcusable mistake which just happened to a concealed carry permit holder here recently as well.

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Jul 3, 2021 12:09:45   #
Schwabo Loc: Florida
 
I do carry sometimes, but never with safety off or Hammer cocked.

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Jul 3, 2021 12:14:54   #
Schwabo Loc: Florida
 
I do carry sometimes, but never with safety off or Hammer cocked.

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Jul 3, 2021 12:18:33   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Schwabo wrote:
I do carry sometimes, but never with safety off or Hammer cocked.


No idea if it was a wheel gun or an automatic, and everyone has their own opinion about “cocked and locked”, but I carry my pistol with the chamber empty. I’ve spent lots of time practicing drawing a 1911 and jacking the slide in one motion once it’s WELL clear of leather - that’s my personal preference.

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Jul 3, 2021 12:29:47   #
Schwabo Loc: Florida
 
Sorry Trio, I should also have mentioned that I carry my HK with chamber empty.

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Jul 3, 2021 12:30:17   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
I carry my 1911 with one in the pipe but the hammer down. All that's needed is to roll the hammer back which is a natural thing to do as it clears leather.

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Jul 3, 2021 13:15:24   #
Brian J.
 
Thanks for responses to all. Must say I agree with Schwabo re carrying with chamber empty.

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Jul 3, 2021 16:56:11   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
For 10 years I worked weekends and summers for a friend who owned three Gun and Police Gear shops. I even got rated as an assistant instructor and Glock Armorer.
We had an event locally where a late teen type had a gun go off in his backpack in class he had his hand in the back pack and dropped it on the floor as it went off - his court defense was it went off when the pack hit the floor and the other students in the room were divided (as normal) on if it fired before or after it hit the floor.
A couple of the local cops and someone from the DA's office came to the shop to get info and advice before the trial. At the time my friend had one of the same model revolver in stock that was so beat up we were going to strip it for parts to sell to a gunsmith and melt the rest.
So he put blanks in the gun and then we proceeded to drop, throw, kick etc. the gun around, both with the hammer cocked and un-cocked. We kept that up for almost 5 minutes including a circle of 4 guys kicking the cocked gun back and forth across a concrete floor for almost 2 minutes - sort of "revolver soccer". We never got it to go off "by itself".

A week later one of the cops came back in and told us that after he and his partner + the guy from the DA testified to what we did without getting it to go off the kid broke down and confessed: 1. he reached in the back pack and cocked the gun 2. he gripped it with his finger on the trigger intending to pull it out to scare someone "as a joke" 3. as he pulled on it the gun caught on something inside the backpack so he jerked harder - that was when the gun went off because he had his finger on the trigger. And the idiot also said he forgot he had loaded the gun then forgot to unload it when he put it in the backpack for his planned "joke". The judge provided a punch line for his joke - one he was not very happy with.

I know of one type of gun (a semi-auto military rifle) that has a part that when worn badly and slammed hard on something butt or muzzle first will go off. It was the early production runs of that rifle, they corrected the problem. A few models of semi-auto pistols with extremely worn down sears can fire when something hits the cocked hammer very hard. But it is rare and then only in guns that are not inspected or cared for and the sears replaced when that badly worn.
At the shop we once got a high end 22 target pistol from a police confiscation auction* that had deliberately and very carefully had the sear filed down and a lighter than spec recoil spring put in so that when fired it went full auto. Everyone in the shop and about 1/2 dozen local cops came in to play with it in our bullet trap before our gunsmith replaced the two parts. I tried it, with 22 shorts it just sort of vibrated as it fired (it was a "heavy" barrel target model) and kept all the rounds on target at 5 yards. And it emptied the 10 round magazine in just over one second. After fixing it so it was legal again a part timer at the shop bought it and then proceeded to win some competitions at the local gun club.

*The department it was purchased from said the guy they took it from was supposedly a hitman for a local drug gang. But they only got him on felon in possession and possession of an automatic weapon. No known hits/bodies shot with it had ever been found. But the two other charges got him 10-20 years and the state judge ruled they would be served after the Feds were done with him. The Feds tried and convicted him on the same two charges and they also gave him 10-20 Federal time. I doubt he got any time off for good behavior at either prison so he would have done a total of 40 years.

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Jul 4, 2021 06:10:53   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Brian J. wrote:
Local paper (Panama City News Herald) reported incident at local restaurant. A concealed carry gun in a fellow's pocket "accidentally" fired & he shot his wife in the calf. She received treatment at a local hospital. The report added that no charges were filed as the man had a concealed carry permit. They did not, however, report what his wife had said.
Brian J.


Having a permit to carry DON'T mean you know what your'er doing , it means you should know what you're doing.

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Jul 4, 2021 06:34:06   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Guns just don't go off, the trigger has to be pulled! Also, leaving the chamber empty means that likely both hands will be needed to chamber a round and it takes more time. Micro seconds count when someone is trying to kill you.

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Jul 4, 2021 06:57:13   #
sheldon minsky Loc: iron mountain michigan
 
Idiots? Cheap shot Jerry coming from the annoying garden gnome of the catskills. Have you ever heard of the 2A?

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Jul 4, 2021 08:12:44   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
robertjerl wrote:
For 10 years I worked weekends and summers for a friend who owned three Gun and Police Gear shops. I even got rated as an assistant instructor and Glock Armorer.
We had an event locally where a late teen type had a gun go off in his backpack in class he had his hand in the back pack and dropped it on the floor as it went off - his court defense was it went off when the pack hit the floor and the other students in the room were divided (as normal) on if it fired before or after it hit the floor.
A couple of the local cops and someone from the DA's office came to the shop to get info and advice before the trial. At the time my friend had one of the same model revolver in stock that was so beat up we were going to strip it for parts to sell to a gunsmith and melt the rest.
So he put blanks in the gun and then we proceeded to drop, throw, kick etc. the gun around, both with the hammer cocked and un-cocked. We kept that up for almost 5 minutes including a circle of 4 guys kicking the cocked gun back and forth across a concrete floor for almost 2 minutes - sort of "revolver soccer". We never got it to go off "by itself".

A week later one of the cops came back in and told us that after he and his partner + the guy from the DA testified to what we did without getting it to go off the kid broke down and confessed: 1. he reached in the back pack and cocked the gun 2. he gripped it with his finger on the trigger intending to pull it out to scare someone "as a joke" 3. as he pulled on it the gun caught on something inside the backpack so he jerked harder - that was when the gun went off because he had his finger on the trigger. And the idiot also said he forgot he had loaded the gun then forgot to unload it when he put it in the backpack for his planned "joke". The judge provided a punch line for his joke - one he was not very happy with.

I know of one type of gun (a semi-auto military rifle) that has a part that when worn badly and slammed hard on something butt or muzzle first will go off. It was the early production runs of that rifle, they corrected the problem. A few models of semi-auto pistols with extremely worn down sears can fire when something hits the cocked hammer very hard. But it is rare and then only in guns that are not inspected or cared for and the sears replaced when that badly worn.
At the shop we once got a high end 22 target pistol from a police confiscation auction* that had deliberately and very carefully had the sear filed down and a lighter than spec recoil spring put in so that when fired it went full auto. Everyone in the shop and about 1/2 dozen local cops came in to play with it in our bullet trap before our gunsmith replaced the two parts. I tried it, with 22 shorts it just sort of vibrated as it fired (it was a "heavy" barrel target model) and kept all the rounds on target at 5 yards. And it emptied the 10 round magazine in just over one second. After fixing it so it was legal again a part timer at the shop bought it and then proceeded to win some competitions at the local gun club.

*The department it was purchased from said the guy they took it from was supposedly a hitman for a local drug gang. But they only got him on felon in possession and possession of an automatic weapon. No known hits/bodies shot with it had ever been found. But the two other charges got him 10-20 years and the state judge ruled they would be served after the Feds were done with him. The Feds tried and convicted him on the same two charges and they also gave him 10-20 Federal time. I doubt he got any time off for good behavior at either prison so he would have done a total of 40 years.
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I have a Walther Olympia .22 target pistol and the trigger pull is oz's you DON"T put your finger in the trigger guard if you think pull it's gone!!!!This is damn sure not for ccw
My markiii Ruger target model has a factory pull of 2 1/2 - 3#, and after shooting the Walther it feels like you are squeezing a tennis ball.

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