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Jul 14, 2021 22:39:31   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
JD750 wrote:
I have not seen many, a few, and It is not like the lenticular clouds I have seen.

Q: Was it stationary or moving? Lenticular clouds are stationary.


The cloud was stationary. I looked them up and they generally are found in the mountains, which is what got me to thinking it might be one.
Erich

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Jul 15, 2021 02:26:18   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
ebrunner wrote:
.....The judge felt that the details in the bottom of the frame are distracting. I left them in because I think they add interest to the photo? What do you think?....


It seems to me that in photography some people are theorists and what some of them don't appreciate is that none of the "rules" or guidelines in photography are universal. Regardless of how widely accepted an idea is, it should never be assumed that it can be applied universally. Objects in the foreground can be distracting, but for that to happen they have to be attention-grabbing, or in some way impede the viewer's exploration of the shot. Your submerged rocks are a long way from doing that. In fact they add subtle interest and context.

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Jul 15, 2021 07:07:22   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
R.G. wrote:
It seems to me that in photography some people are theorists and what some of them don't appreciate is that none of the "rules" or guidelines in photography are universal. Regardless of how widely accepted an idea is, it should never be assumed that it can be applied universally. Objects in the foreground can be distracting, but for that to happen they have to be attention-grabbing, or in some way impede the viewer's exploration of the shot. Your submerged rocks are a long way from doing that. In fact they add subtle interest and context.
It seems to me that in photography some people are... (show quote)


That is a very good point. Knowing when and how to deviate from the rules is something that, I think, comes with experience. We learn the rules of "good" composition and begin to practice them. Then, when we are comfortable with the rules, we can break one or two of them. The rule of thirds is a good example. Generally, we like to see things at the intersections of that grid for the rule of thirds. Take a photo of a dock leading out from the shore into a lake, though, and a rigidly symmetrical composition makes more sense.
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Jul 15, 2021 07:49:11   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
ebrunner wrote:
The cloud was stationary. I looked them up and they generally are found in the mountains, which is what got me to thinking it might be one.
Erich


I refreshed myself with a little reading on these clouds. https://sciencestruck.com/facts-about-lenticular-clouds
This gives a pretty good explanation. I think the gist of it is, that strong horizontal winds are affected by vertical wind caused by things like mountains, directed into the horizontal wind flow. The result is a smooth dome shaped standing wave, like fast moving water can do, in the lee of a rock. The cloud you photographed may well have been affected by these conditions to a lesser degree. Either way, Its a very nice photo.

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Jul 15, 2021 08:42:21   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
minniev wrote:
My dam bird series is about a mix of very specific elements: birds, light, water, and ugly rough geometric concrete. There is nothing else, ever, in these photos. But the elements included can change. Different birds may arrive, the light changes, and the water may be calm or fierce. I prefer the wilder water, and shoot with a fast shutter to catch the water and the birds in place. In this recent shot, I have the relatively smooth water the birds fish in, and the tumult coming from the dam gates behind them.
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Your words "In this recent shot" got my attention. These dam bird photos so captivate me. The juxtaposition of these elements create such an otherworldly arena. The contrast between the stoic concrete forms, powerfully compositional, and the water, from tumultuous to relative calm, would be a lot to work with all by themselves, but graced with the delicacy and elegance of the egrets, apparently unaffected by the surround, make these a unique visual experience. Thats about as well as I am able to articulate my thoughts. I used google earth some years back to understand better this place. Its a wondrous place.

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Jul 15, 2021 08:46:05   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
ebrunner wrote:
The cloud was stationary. I looked them up and they generally are found in the mountains, which is what got me to thinking it might be one.
Erich


Maybe.

Yes. They are called mountain clouds. I have seen them in the Eastern Sierra NV region. The ones I have seen are much smoother and flatter than one. I have some pictures somewhere... I have go to work. They I am flying out today. Later if I can find one I will PM it to you.

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Jul 15, 2021 09:11:31   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
JD750 wrote:
Maybe.

Yes. They are called mountain clouds. I have seen them in the Eastern Sierra NV region. The ones I have seen are much smoother and flatter than one. I have some pictures somewhere... I have go to work. They I am flying out today. Later if I can find one I will PM it to you.


Cool, thanks

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Jul 15, 2021 09:12:32   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
fergmark wrote:
I refreshed myself with a little reading on these clouds. https://sciencestruck.com/facts-about-lenticular-clouds
This gives a pretty good explanation. I think the gist of it is, that strong horizontal winds are affected by vertical wind caused by things like mountains, directed into the horizontal wind flow. The result is a smooth dome shaped standing wave, like fast moving water can do, in the lee of a rock. The cloud you photographed may well have been affected by these conditions to a lesser degree. Either way, Its a very nice photo.
I refreshed myself with a little reading on these ... (show quote)


Like you said, the important thing is that the cloud helps the photo. Now to follow your link and do some homework. Thanks for the tip.
Erich

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Jul 15, 2021 10:50:01   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
fergmark wrote:
Your words "In this recent shot" got my attention. These dam bird photos so captivate me. The juxtaposition of these elements create such an otherworldly arena. The contrast between the stoic concrete forms, powerfully compositional, and the water, from tumultuous to relative calm, would be a lot to work with all by themselves, but graced with the delicacy and elegance of the egrets, apparently unaffected by the surround, make these a unique visual experience. Thats about as well as I am able to articulate my thoughts. I used google earth some years back to understand better this place. Its a wondrous place.
Your words "In this recent shot" got my ... (show quote)


Glad you enjoy them. I've certainly enjoyed sharing them with folks here and far away like you! An Aussie acquaintance has even photographed the dam via a flight simulator program he uses! It's my most fun local photo spot. It is perfectly hideous to the naked eye but the camera can isolate small scenarios within the whole mess and hold onto them. Thus is the magic of photography in particular and art in general. And yes you are right, the charm is in the contrast between the main elements - changing water, stationery concrete, delicate birds who are rarely still for long, varying light. I can get "stuck" down there for hours watching them.

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Jul 16, 2021 07:12:21   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
ebrunner wrote:
The Master In You

The Master in You is an evolution of the monthly Master's Critique. Here we will give you a "topic" each month with some themes to consider. Shoot some images with the assignment in mind and then post them in this thread and tell us about them. Where did you shoot the image? What are your concerns and challenges with the image? How much, if any, consideration did you give to gear to get the image you wanted? You might also wish to address the themes that are mentioned along with the topic.

General guidelines: This is an open thread where you are encouraged to post your original works and discuss them. Please post only your own work. Do not post edits of another member's work unless you have asked that member for permission to edit. Remember that some people do not want their work edited by anyone. Please respect that. The topics will be active for one month at a time. You will have the entire month to ponder and work on the subject. Feel free to post at any time during the month. You can post more than one image. If you shoot more than one image on any given topic, you may make several submissions. That way we might be able to stimulate some conversations that act as inspiration or, at least, incentive for others to go out and try the topic themselves.

The original purpose of FYC was to be a "cafe" atmosphere where people gather to discuss topics pertaining to photography. It is hoped that this thread will encourage members to get out and shoot images that pertain to the topic and then enter into a discussion about your posts and the posts of others. This monthly topic is not about : "That is really nice" or "two thumbs up". While these are certainly legitimate responses, the aim of this topical thread is to throw a wider net. It is hoped that we will discuss what works and what does not work so well. If someone's work does not appeal to you, feel free to say so in a way that acknowledges that we all have different ideas about what appeals to us.

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Assignment 1 July 2021: Water
Theme 1 What look do you go for. Blurred or stop action?
Theme 2 Cascade? Mountain stream? Sill water? What brings out your creativity?

Because we are looking for membership participation, nothing is “etched in stone”. We would love to hear your ideas for future assignments and themes.
The Master In You br br The Master in You is an e... (show quote)


While the topic is water, the subject of this photo is the life guard stand on its side. This indicates that I'm here early in morning and the beach is still closed for swimming. If you are looking for untouched sand, the Jersey shore in the summer is the wrong place to look. The thousands of footprints give us an indication that there is going to be activity here very soon after that sun comes over the eastern horizon. The water in the scene is only a small band of ocean between the beach and the sky. Here I did not worry about shutter speed at all and was more interested in creating an early morning feel for the photo. Would you have used similar processing or gone in a different direction?


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Jul 16, 2021 07:29:17   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
ebrunner wrote:
While the topic is water, the subject of this photo is the life guard stand on its side. This indicates that I'm here early in morning and the beach is still closed for swimming. If you are looking for untouched sand, the Jersey shore in the summer is the wrong place to look. The thousands of footprints give us an indication that there is going to be activity here very soon after that sun comes over the eastern horizon. The water in the scene is only a small band of ocean between the beach and the sky. Here I did not worry about shutter speed at all and was more interested in creating an early morning feel for the photo. Would you have used similar processing or gone in a different direction?
While the topic is water, the subject of this phot... (show quote)


What stands out immediately to me is what feels like being a little crowded by the amount of vignetting. Is this only from the lens or did you enhance that. If anything, I think I would prefer to see the light on the horizon more completely, and less of the tunnel effect. This photo does circle me back to considering posting a photo or two of the direct effects of water, even though no water is present.

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Jul 16, 2021 07:44:43   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
fergmark wrote:
What stands out immediately to me is what feels like being a little crowded by the amount of vignetting. Is this only from the lens or did you enhance that. If anything, I think I would prefer to see the light on the horizon more completely, and less of the tunnel effect. This photo does circle me back to considering posting a photo or two of the direct effects of water, even though no water is present.


That is a good observation. I think I may have over done the tunnel effect. I was using NIK (Darken/lighten center). I may have gone too far, which is easy to do with plug ins. Thanks for taking a critical view of the photo. I still like it; but I'll go back and make some adjustments. Thanks
Erich

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Jul 16, 2021 14:24:50   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Please do not click quote reply unless you edit out the hot links; otherwise, my two embedded pics will post again in your replies

Erich, thank you for this great idea for the new Masters. And many, many thanks for the hundreds of hours MinnieV devoted to the previous series.

The corn irrigation below was shot this morning (1/1000 sec, negative clarity for softness used in editing the raw). The Yakima Valley is a commercial agriculture area with irrigation provided by canals from a reservoir of snow melt in the mountains. We are at the mercy of Mother Nature in many ways, and the future looks somewhat bleak, given the deadly heat wave and droughts.

#2 was shot in January 2020 at a man-made pond in a cemetery.

As for what inspires me, always always backlighting and low angle of sun


P7160083-1on Flickr


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Jul 16, 2021 16:50:49   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
You'd think I would have figured out the "quote reply" thing by now. Anyway, I really like the shot with the corn. I remember that you were always fond of backlighting and you got that here. I think this shot has a lot of impact. Good luck with the weather.
Erich

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Jul 16, 2021 17:02:30   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
ebrunner wrote:
You'd think I would have figured out the "quote reply" thing by now. Anyway, I really like the shot with the corn. I remember that you were always fond of backlighting and you got that here. I think this shot has a lot of impact. Good luck with the weather.
Erich
Thanks so much, Erich.

I'm afraid I was the one who confused you about reply and quote reply Yes, you should normally use quote reply - like I just did here - so people know who you're talking to and can follow the comments to which you're responding. Unfortunately, with embedded photos, the hot links are part of the quote reply text. You can edit that part out, though.

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