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Nikon Mirrorless
Jun 24, 2021 13:39:54 #
Well, that was 15 minutes of wasted reading time! Guess I’ll just grab my Nikons and go out and shoot!
Jun 24, 2021 14:02:27 #
Everyone talks about Canon, Nikon and Sony FF but there is a new guy on the block and his name is Lumix. Might be worth a look.
Jun 24, 2021 14:41:24 #
User ID wrote:
Most every picture taking device on the market works great. [/i]
Most every picture taking device on the market works great. [/i]
NOT for BIF ....
Jun 24, 2021 14:45:05 #
RahulKhosla wrote:
Is it likely that Nikon mirrorless cameras will catch up with the capabilities and quality of top end Sony mirrorless cameras? As someone with a bunch of Nikon lenses - it’s daunting and expensive to consider a shift to Sony. I shoot mostly wildlife and birds in flight so high FPS and good performance tracking capabilities are important.
I started digital with a Canon 40d then moved to a full frame 5D. Frankly, the GAS around here is choking me. Are you guys all Pros that need the latest equipment? I'm just a 90 yo amateur and my 5D has so far met all my needs.
Can someone please tell me why I should go mirrorless? I can't seem to figure it out. Thanks, Harry PS And don't tell me weight; when my 5D and a 70-300 gets to heavy for me, I'll know it's time to quit. Quitting is no sin! I quit track and field early because I didn't want to wake up in my 30s with no job and no skills except running and jumping. Harry
Jun 24, 2021 14:57:30 #
Hi,
I have both the Canon R5 and the Nikon Z 7ii. I use them both, depending on what I do. Was coming from a Nikon D750, and before that, from Canon. I don't have Sony (never had).
What I have seen: in general, the Z 7ii and the R5 focus as well or better than the D750. And you can use all the frame to focus (the D750 has the focus points very concentrated in the center of the frame); for me this was an advantage when composing. And both the R5 and the Z 7ii are good in low light (of course, depending on the lens you are using).
Eye focus works very well for me. After the last firmware update, I would say there is no significant difference between R5 and Z 7ii for people photography. Where there is a lot of difference is in animal focus: the R5 is today clearly better.
In terms of handling, I find both quite similar, with a small preference for Nikon (perhaps because I'm coming from the D750). One advantage I see in the R5 is weight when using native lenses: the possibility of retracting the 70-200 f2.8, and 300g less make a lot of difference to my neck. But then, you can not use the 2x converter in this lens. And the 600 f11 is really light.
Quality of image: I tend to prefer Nikon, but this is very subjective. Both deliver superb images, with a lot of detail and cropping possibilities.
So I use the R5 when I go walking (mainly with the dog) for animal pictures (including BIF), and the Z 7ii for family events, portraits, or going for wildlife in a planned session (then I bring both).
It's true that Nikon has more native lenses for the Z mount, but they are lacking the long zooms / dedicated lenses today.
Best regards,
Miquel
I have both the Canon R5 and the Nikon Z 7ii. I use them both, depending on what I do. Was coming from a Nikon D750, and before that, from Canon. I don't have Sony (never had).
What I have seen: in general, the Z 7ii and the R5 focus as well or better than the D750. And you can use all the frame to focus (the D750 has the focus points very concentrated in the center of the frame); for me this was an advantage when composing. And both the R5 and the Z 7ii are good in low light (of course, depending on the lens you are using).
Eye focus works very well for me. After the last firmware update, I would say there is no significant difference between R5 and Z 7ii for people photography. Where there is a lot of difference is in animal focus: the R5 is today clearly better.
In terms of handling, I find both quite similar, with a small preference for Nikon (perhaps because I'm coming from the D750). One advantage I see in the R5 is weight when using native lenses: the possibility of retracting the 70-200 f2.8, and 300g less make a lot of difference to my neck. But then, you can not use the 2x converter in this lens. And the 600 f11 is really light.
Quality of image: I tend to prefer Nikon, but this is very subjective. Both deliver superb images, with a lot of detail and cropping possibilities.
So I use the R5 when I go walking (mainly with the dog) for animal pictures (including BIF), and the Z 7ii for family events, portraits, or going for wildlife in a planned session (then I bring both).
It's true that Nikon has more native lenses for the Z mount, but they are lacking the long zooms / dedicated lenses today.
Best regards,
Miquel
Jun 24, 2021 14:58:46 #
RahulKhosla wrote:
Is it likely that Nikon mirrorless cameras will catch up with the capabilities and quality of top end Sony mirrorless cameras? As someone with a bunch of Nikon lenses - it’s daunting and expensive to consider a shift to Sony. I shoot mostly wildlife and birds in flight so high FPS and good performance tracking capabilities are important.
I have the Z6 and Z50 and have had no issues with birds in flight and tracking fast moving dogs (the only wildlife I have had an opportunity to shoot). The Z6 is rated for 12 frames per second for JPEG and 12-bit NEF files, and 9 frames per second with 14-bit NEF files. The focusing system of the Z system is very different than Nikon's DSLRs but once you learn it you can get good results, regardless of what the You Tube click bait videos will tell you. Nikon Z glass is definitely superior to F mount glass, so you would want to invest in Z glass if you decide to stay with Nikon. I personally love the ergonomics of Nikon products and have no desire to switch.
Jun 24, 2021 15:00:50 #
I shot with Nikon and Canon for 40 years and moved over to Sony fullframe mirrorless in 2017 and have no regrets. Both Canon and Nikon now have very good fullframe mirrorless offerings, so if you are heavily invested in your Canon and Nikon glass then just stay within your ecosystem and use your adapters with their mirrorless cameras.
The next Nikon fullframe mirrorless flagship camera the Z9 is widely rumored to be sharing the 50mp stacked BSI sensor of the Sony A1. If that is true, it will give Nikon the needed boost to compete with better IQ, faster frame rates of 30fps, no EVF blackouts, true electronic shooting with very little rolling shutter or banding ,and hopefully also Sony's superior autofocus .
If you can wait for that and you are a diehard Nikon person, that is what I would do.
As a longtime pro I find the fullframe mirrorless offerings from Sony still tops, but Canon is doing its best and I expect Nikon to improve also. Sony is #1 in mirrorless sales and #1 in fullframe camera sales, (yes Canon fans check the numbers. Canon sells more total cameras, DSLRs, compacts included ,but Sony still sells more in mirrorless and fullframe) . But Nikon still has a large following and deserves a serious look if you have their lenses.
Not everyone can afford to switch gear brands even for better performance. So if you can't afford to switch away from Nikon, then don't. Just don't count Nikon out yet, they haven't given up and they are a longtime client for Sony image sensors and Sony will help them stay in the game for sure. Nikon still has a few tricks up their sleeve and you can teach on old dog a new trick. Better performing Nikon mirrorless cameras are coming.
This report says the Nikon Z9 will NOT use a Sony 50mp stacked sensor but a 50mp stacked sensor of its own, that would be a first for Nikon sensors. :
http://thenewcamera.com/tag/nikon-z9/
Cheers
The next Nikon fullframe mirrorless flagship camera the Z9 is widely rumored to be sharing the 50mp stacked BSI sensor of the Sony A1. If that is true, it will give Nikon the needed boost to compete with better IQ, faster frame rates of 30fps, no EVF blackouts, true electronic shooting with very little rolling shutter or banding ,and hopefully also Sony's superior autofocus .
If you can wait for that and you are a diehard Nikon person, that is what I would do.
As a longtime pro I find the fullframe mirrorless offerings from Sony still tops, but Canon is doing its best and I expect Nikon to improve also. Sony is #1 in mirrorless sales and #1 in fullframe camera sales, (yes Canon fans check the numbers. Canon sells more total cameras, DSLRs, compacts included ,but Sony still sells more in mirrorless and fullframe) . But Nikon still has a large following and deserves a serious look if you have their lenses.
Not everyone can afford to switch gear brands even for better performance. So if you can't afford to switch away from Nikon, then don't. Just don't count Nikon out yet, they haven't given up and they are a longtime client for Sony image sensors and Sony will help them stay in the game for sure. Nikon still has a few tricks up their sleeve and you can teach on old dog a new trick. Better performing Nikon mirrorless cameras are coming.
This report says the Nikon Z9 will NOT use a Sony 50mp stacked sensor but a 50mp stacked sensor of its own, that would be a first for Nikon sensors. :
http://thenewcamera.com/tag/nikon-z9/
Cheers
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Jun 24, 2021 15:08:12 #
cjc2 wrote:
Was going to say the same thing Bill, but you beat... (show quote)
There are some usernames that I avoid reading, for any one of a few reasons.
Reasons but no names:
• Posting hefty blocks of links.
• Weaving their resume into nearly every overly lengthy post.
• Treating the forum page like it’s their personal TechnoBlog site.
• Trying, at great length, to fix stupid.
• I dislike their chosen ID or avatar.
No names. Many members can figger the names. Acoarst the “guilty” parties will not recognize themselves, so no one will be offended.
Anywho, no one should care whether I read their stuff. I’m here mainly for the entertainment. The forum must be really classic stuff, cuz it’s eternally neck deep in reruns. (Always running low on butter and grated parm ... )
Jun 24, 2021 16:03:15 #
hrblaine wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I should go mirrorless? I can't seem to figure it out.
Can someone please tell me why I should go mirrorless? I can't seem to figure it out.
No one can tell you why you should go mirrorless. You need to try one to find out. I tried, and while I like my Nikon Zs I still prefer a DSLR . Many people think mirrorless is the bees knees. There is no definitive answer as to what works best. Without trying you'll never know.
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Jun 24, 2021 16:10:44 #
WayneL wrote:
Everyone talks about Canon, Nikon and Sony FF but there is a new guy on the block and his name is Lumix. Might be worth a look.
There’s a lot to like about those Lumix FF cameras. Focus speed and tracking isn’t one of them. As long as Panasonic sticks with only contrast detection AF they will never focus as fast as the others.
Jun 24, 2021 17:19:47 #
billnikon
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Brucej67 wrote:
All mirror-less cameras from all three have auto focus problems on low contrast shoots with Nikon being the worst. I found this true for both macro and wildlife photography. http://rayhennessy.com/blog/2021/06/07/nikon-z6ii-for-wildlife-photography-follow-up-thoughts
I have found just the opposite. My D500 and D850 are quicker to find initial focus acquisition in low contrast over my Sony a9 and Sony a7r4. And my Nikon's are DSLR's against the more up to date focus systems on the Sony's. I believe this is the case because of the twin focusing systems on the D500, D850 and D5. Once focus is locked, both camera companies track in a very similar manner.
This is based on two years experience using both camera brands everyday and after thousands of images with both.
I am not familiar with Ray Hennessy but I would be willing to meet with him and share my extensive research findings with him.
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Jun 24, 2021 17:32:35 #
Bill_de wrote:
No one can tell you why you should go mirrorless. You need to try one to find out. I tried, and while I like my Nikon Zs I still prefer a DSLR . Many people think mirrorless is the bees knees. There is no definitive answer as to what works best. Without trying you'll never know.
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Maybe I should rent one for a couple of days then because I d*mn sure ain't buyin' a pig in a poke! Harry
Jun 24, 2021 18:21:44 #
Nikon's Achilles heal in mirrorless has been their poorer autofocus than Sony and Canon. Watch longtime Nikon shooter and Wildlife Pro Mark Smith talk about why he switched from his Nikon DSLRs to Sony fullframe mirrorless, and focusing performance for fast moving birds was one of the main reasons. No one is more accomplished at BIF than Mark.
Why I Moved From Nikon to Sony-Mark Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ruQVtSqnYo
The proof is in the shots: https://www.youtube.com/c/MarkSmithphotography/videos
RahulKhosla this is what you need to know and watch. Cheers
Why I Moved From Nikon to Sony-Mark Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ruQVtSqnYo
The proof is in the shots: https://www.youtube.com/c/MarkSmithphotography/videos
RahulKhosla this is what you need to know and watch. Cheers
Jun 24, 2021 18:34:33 #
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
gwilliams6 wrote:
Nikon's Achilles heal in mirrorless has been their... (show quote)
Mark Smith is NOT a professional photographer, and he is not a Wildlife Pro. A pro makes the majority of there money from their profession.
Mark Smith is an expert on the Sony System and he knows his stuff. But he is not a professional photographer.
He makes a boat load of money offering photo tours of wildlife arears. That does not make him a professional photographer. It makes him a professional tour guide.
Jun 24, 2021 18:37:13 #
billnikon wrote:
Mark Smith is NOT a professional photographer, and he is not a Wildlife Pro. A pro makes the majority of there money from their profession.
Mark Smith is an expert on the Sony System and he knows his stuff. But he is not a professional photographer.
He makes a boat load of money offering photo tours of wildlife arears. That does not make him a professional photographer. It makes him a professional tour guide.
Mark Smith is an expert on the Sony System and he knows his stuff. But he is not a professional photographer.
He makes a boat load of money offering photo tours of wildlife arears. That does not make him a professional photographer. It makes him a professional tour guide.
Like Ralph Kramden.
Ralph’s turf was very local but he aspired to provide trips to the moon.
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