Upgrade on the APS-C Sensor (Page 9): Well since this whole discussion was about using FF cameras in crop mode with FF lenses I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

imagemeister wrote:

Yes, I AGREE with everything you say , although, there are a lot of if's but's and maybe's in your example situation .....so Yes, IF you can afford a high MP FF and use with shorter than optimum focal lengths by all means have at it and crop to your hearts content - many of us cannot afford this

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Well since this whole discussion was about using FF cameras in crop mode with FF lenses I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

CO wrote:

When using a mirrorless camera, it's like you're already behind your computer at home. With a DSLR camera, you're right there. I've used both my D500 DSLR and mirrorless Nikon Z6II at fast paced studio photo shoots. Everything just goes faster with a DSLR. For fast action, I think a DSLR is still superior. Nothing against mirrorless, I will purchase one in the not too distant future.

And I find just the opposite is true. I can get information from my EVF that I can’t with an OVF that can really speed up shooting.

Canisdirus

SuperflyTNT wrote:

And I find just the opposite is true. I can get information from my EVF that I can’t with an OVF that can really speed up shooting.

100% correct. One of the biggest improvements in photography.

Here's a DSLR user's computer...

imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida

SuperflyTNT wrote:

Well since this whole discussion was about using FF cameras in crop mode with FF lenses I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

This discussion ( from the OP) is about using high MP crop frame cameras with crop frame lenses for making large prints.
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zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas

SuperflyTNT wrote:

And I find just the opposite is true. I can get information from my EVF that I can’t with an OVF that can really speed up shooting.

I would agree--I had the same reaction. Only people who have never used a mirrorless camera can make these baseless blanket statements.

This thread is a great example of how things usually go on UHH. The issue usually gets settled on the first two pages. Then the curmudgeons take over the thread and take it to fantasyland.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

imagemeister wrote:

This discussion ( from the OP) is about using high MP crop frame cameras with crop frame lenses for making large prints.
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Yes, but the sub-thread you responded to was about people using crop mode on FF bodies with FF lenses.

CO

SuperflyTNT wrote:

And I find just the opposite is true. I can get information from my EVF that I can’t with an OVF that can really speed up shooting.

There's plenty of shooting information across the bottom of the screen on my D500 and there's never any lag. Even the latest mirrorless camera viewfinders can be jittery when panning.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

CO wrote:

There's plenty of shooting information across the bottom of the screen on my D500 and there's never any lag. Even the latest mirrorless camera viewfinders can be jittery when panning.

When comparing, it can be important to be aware of what camera you are comparing to. My wife's D40x has very little information in the virwfinder, which is still true of entry level models today. But as you mention, my D500 and D850 (and D810) all display just about every piece of information you might want to see, including operating mode, metering pattern, white balance setting, and a few other things.

CO

larryepage wrote:

When comparing, it can be important to be aware of what camera you are comparing to. My wife's D40x has very little information in the virwfinder, which is still true of entry level models today. But as you mention, my D500 and D850 (and D810) all display just about every piece of information you might want to see, including operating mode, metering pattern, white balance setting, and a few other things.

I see what you mean. An entry level DSLR doesn't display much information. Advanced DSLR cameras have much more. My D500 and D750 display all the information needed while shooting and it never gets in the way.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

CO wrote:

There's plenty of shooting information across the bottom of the screen on my D500 and there's never any lag. Even the latest mirrorless camera viewfinders can be jittery when panning.

I’m not just talking about the data that’s displayed. I get visual information about the scene and exposure.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

SuperflyTNT wrote:

I’m not just talking about the data that’s displayed. I get visual information about the scene and exposure.

Yes...and it has a "living" character that, for me, is missing from an EVF. I don't know for sure, but believe it may be related to the limited dynamic range of the image.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Once you have glimpsed the fine details of the world through an Electronic View Finder zoomed to 10x, it becomes impossible to live anymore in a world limited by mirrors.

smussler Loc: Land O Lakes, FL - Formerly Miller Place, NY

CO wrote:

He did say that he is locked into a wide array of lens for the cropped sensor camera.

And in the thread title . . .

DI Seller Loc: Knoxville, TN

Do you think things will reach a point where the various manufactures of DSLRs will stop supporting those cameras? I mean look how long it took Microsoft to stop supporting Win 7. If so, I wonder how long that will be.

Canisdirus

DI Seller wrote:

Do you think things will reach a point where the various manufactures of DSLRs will stop supporting those cameras? I mean look how long it took Microsoft to stop supporting Win 7. If so, I wonder how long that will be.

At some point...the firmware will stop. I suppose it has already started.
Naturally, the camera will keep functioning...just not be improved upon.