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Jun 9, 2021 08:47:18   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
burkphoto wrote:
Match needle metering… Line up a pointer with a circle in the viewfinder (or on top of some cameras) to balance ISO, aperture, and exposure time. It was how we achieved “correct” exposure before automation. It requires some knowledge of how the three variables interact, as well as what type of meter is in the camera (spot, average, center-weighted, matrix…).

Beyond that, you had to understand light and reflectivity and what to meter.


As soon as read NEEDLE/METER , I think of the light meter in my Canon AE-1 or in digital putting the exposure on the o in the viewfinder. If I didn't own the Canon film camera I wouldn't have any idea.

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Jun 9, 2021 08:47:26   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Give me example of a camera with match needle. I don't want to steal the thread but this member post this and I am wondering.

"sennamonster Joined: Feb 10, 2021 Posts: 26 Loc: fort wayne, IN

rmalarz wrote:
Are you sure you aren't making it more complicated than it really is? It's all rather simple, as far as exposure goes. The ISO indicates the sensitivity to light. The aperture controls how much light is passed through the lens, and shutter speed is how long the light is let through. It's just that simple.
--Bob


how i miss match needle"
Give me example of a camera with match needle. I d... (show quote)


Olympus OM-1

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Jun 9, 2021 09:01:41   #
Al Beatty Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You tried google, right? Just select / highlight your subject with your mouse, right-click and search in google. You don't even have to add 'camera' to the search. Photography-related posts start at maybe the 2nd or 3rd item down in the search results.


I appreciate your photography-based posts because they are informative no matter which camera platform I/we shoot. Today, I learned something new; I learned I could highlight a word(s) and right-click to go to a Google search. Thanks, this tidbit will same me some time. Take care & ...

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Jun 9, 2021 10:20:00   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
Ysarex wrote:
Minolta SRT
Pentax K1000
Canon Ftb
Retina Reflex III


Add to that list the Petri FT.

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Jun 9, 2021 11:22:36   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Ysarex wrote:
Minolta SRT
Pentax K1000
Canon Ftb
Retina Reflex III



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Jun 9, 2021 11:24:17   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Give me example of a camera with match needle. I don't want to steal the thread but this member post this and I am wondering.

"sennamonster Joined: Feb 10, 2021 Posts: 26 Loc: fort wayne, IN

rmalarz wrote:
Are you sure you aren't making it more complicated than it really is? It's all rather simple, as far as exposure goes. The ISO indicates the sensitivity to light. The aperture controls how much light is passed through the lens, and shutter speed is how long the light is let through. It's just that simple.
--Bob


how i miss match needle"
Give me example of a camera with match needle. I d... (show quote)


Film Camera.

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Jun 9, 2021 11:26:07   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Match needle metering… Line up a pointer with a circle in the viewfinder (or on top of some cameras) to balance ISO, aperture, and exposure time. It was how we achieved “correct” exposure before automation. It requires some knowledge of how the three variables interact, as well as what type of meter is in the camera (spot, average, center-weighted, matrix…).

Beyond that, you had to understand light and reflectivity and what to meter.


I remember match needle metering well. Indeed, My Olympus cameras (and likely others) can be used this way by placing the camera in manual mode and and adjusting the aperture. ISO and shutter speed are preselected.

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Jun 9, 2021 12:09:27   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
Also the Fujica 701 and 801 bodies from the early 1970s. The Fujicas were almost clones of the Pentax bodies of that era.

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Jun 9, 2021 12:54:09   #
williejoha
 
Oh the good old days.
WJH

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Jun 9, 2021 13:05:53   #
george19
 
burkphoto wrote:
Match needle metering… Line up a pointer with a circle in the viewfinder (or on top of some cameras) to balance ISO, aperture, and exposure time. It was how we achieved “correct” exposure before automation. It requires some knowledge of how the three variables interact, as well as what type of meter is in the camera (spot, average, center-weighted, matrix…).

Beyond that, you had to understand light and reflectivity and what to meter.


So, to add: way back, cameras didn’t have built-in light meters. You either used an external light meter or the guide from a book: based on ISO, you could pick a shutter speed and then select aperture according to light conditions.

Late 60s/early 70s, light meters started being incorporated into cameras. Based on the selected ISO (also called ASA or DIN back then), pick a shutter speed or aperture and then line up the meter with the circle in the viewfinder. So yeah…ISO and shutter speed were linked electronically to the meter. First generation required you to actually manually stop down the aperture to get a reading (a while back, someone posted a picture of a Canon TLb found in a lake…a large lever on the face, probably on the right side, to foster good lens support habits with the left hand), adjust aperture, then shoot. Cumbersome? Yes…but less so than a handheld meter.

Next generation had contacts in the lens to report selected aperture, so you didn’t have to do the stop down thing, but still had to match the needles. Oh yeah…somewhere in there was introduction of lenses that were usually wide open, and a lever from the camera would close to the selected aperture when the shutter was triggered.

Then the food fight began between shutter priority and aperture priority…

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Jun 9, 2021 14:15:31   #
jcon1960 Loc: Pittsburgh
 
A bit pompous - the guy is just looking for some assistance.

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Jun 9, 2021 15:09:58   #
DaveD65 Loc: Queen City, Ohio
 
I think this goes back to many of the 70's era film camera. I learned photography in the military (1971) We used Pentax slr's model ? It was fairly simple; you a bracket with a pointer (needle) in the view finder You had to set the ASA then chose mode; AP, SP, Man, or B. If you were in say AP, you would select the aperture, then adjust the shutter speed until the needle was in exact middle of the bracket, if needle was high in bracket you were slightly over exposed and low under exposed Fairly simple!

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Jun 9, 2021 16:12:41   #
no12mo
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Al, consider a mirrorless body for your FD lenses. I inherited an AE-1 from a family member after not using my 1980s Canon T50 since sometime in the late 90s. This led to an investigation of 'what was the pro model in the 70s?' and getting an F-1 (new) and more FD lenses. Then an T90 for more of the automation. I was testing EOS film bodies at the same time that let me seamlessly share my EF lenses. When it got down to image to image compares at a per frame cost in film, I was getting much better results from the AF lenses / bodies than I could do with the FD lenses.

I ended up selling all the manual focus bodies and got to within a few mouse clicks of selling the FD lenses too. But, while I had been investigating FD candidate lenses, I was finding lots of examples of these lenses on mirrorless digital bodies. I decided to try a used a7II, a Sony full-frame 24MP mirrorless body. The FD to E mount adapter can be as cheap as $20.

The results have been amazing. It still takes some work to manually focus, but the "focus aid" of the mirror electronic view finder lets me "see" what / where I'm focusing better than any SLR / DSLR ever could. These FD lenses are just as good as anything AF and modern, but only when they're actually in focus. And, you can get them in focus when you can actually see the details.
Al, consider a mirrorless body for your FD lenses.... (show quote)


i might be getting in touch with you for more details. I have a HUGE collection of FD lens. I'd like nothing better than to bring my FD collection out from the closet to reuse them. Intriguing idea. Thanks

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Jun 9, 2021 16:27:41   #
stan miller
 

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Jun 9, 2021 16:28:42   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
no12mo wrote:
i might be getting in touch with you for more details. I have a HUGE collection of FD lens. I'd like nothing better than to bring my FD collection out from the closet to reuse them. Intriguing idea. Thanks


The posts are only occasionally 'labeled' as specifically FD lenses, but here's a recent post with my most recent FD addition.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-696718-1.html

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