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Jun 10, 2021 19:15:04   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazbo wrote:
How was that an insult? You said the left was over the cliff (without specifics, BTW) and I am just reminding you that you should not be lecturing anyone as over the cliff while you ignore the sacking of out Capitol. Maybe they do or don't represent Trump Town, but I have yet to see you condemn them. In fact, what I have seen from you is a rationalization of the behavior and if not rationalizing, certainly diminishing the importance of 1*6. And quite unlike you and the Capitol r**t I have sever sought to rationalize, justify or diminish the civil unrest of last summer.

And given your penchant for the sweeping generalization, you of all people here do not need to be lecturing me on the subject.
How was that an insult? You said the left was over... (show quote)


Really, although it was an unfortunate turn of events, I am not as offended by it as you are, but I guess had it been Ocasio Cortez leading a bunch of Occupy DC anarchists into the capital I would have probably been at least as pissed as you seem to be if not more so.

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Jun 10, 2021 19:22:00   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
[quote=Blurryeyed]Trump was great for the country, great economy, great employment figures, controlled the border, got us a v*****e, made NATO countries increase their military spending..... Libs are just too hung up on thinking that the government should be doing a lot of stuff it has no business doing...[/quote

Delusional as usual. [b]WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WAKE AND CLEAR THE BLURRYNESS OUT OF YOU EYES?[/B].

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Jun 10, 2021 22:14:51   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Really, although it was an unfortunate turn of events, I am not as offended by it as you are, but I guess had it been Ocasio Cortez leading a bunch of Occupy DC anarchists into the capital I would have probably been at least as pissed as you seem to be if not more so.


If AOC led a violent mob ransacking the Capitol looking for elected officials to murder, i would be just as pissed off as I am now. This should be way beyond Red Team vs. Blue Team and the people ho did this are t*****rs and should be treated as such. If you only get worked up by an hypothetical left wing mob and are not to worried about an actual right wing nob, then you are part of the problem.

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Jun 10, 2021 22:38:09   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazbo wrote:
If AOC led a violent mob ransacking the Capitol looking for elected officials to murder, i would be just as pissed off as I am now. This should be way beyond Red Team vs. Blue Team and the people ho did this are t*****rs and should be treated as such. If you only get worked up by an hypothetical left wing mob and are not to worried about an actual right wing nob, then you are part of the problem.




Nobody was murdering anybody... To answer your implied question, by your standards I probably am part of the problem, I don't hold the federal government in as high as esteem as you do, in fact if the t***h be told I have little respect for the federal government, I have a lot of respect for the founding principles, but they have little to do with the government of today, I felt the same while Trump was president. Our government is too big and inefficient, never cleans up its own act, holds private concerns to standards it could never itself meet, and involves itself where it shouldn't.

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Jun 11, 2021 11:27:38   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Nobody was murdering anybody...


How does that explain the Pence gallows? And why don't you reach out to the family of the Officer Sicknick? I am sure your words would be a great comfort.

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Jun 11, 2021 12:02:09   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
anotherview wrote:
Tend to agree. Biden poses as the anti-Trump. He cements his pose by reversing border controls via Executive Orders he signs while smirking.

He bungled his attempt to deflect criticism about his failed border action by appointing his sidekick Kamal to manage the border invasion. But she has no experience in immigration matters. As well, she has steadfastly refused to visit the border because going their could hurt her political future (i.e. running for President).

He has sent her to Mexico and Central America to learn the root causes of illegal migration therefrom. She has no experience in international relations. Besides, interviews with i*****l m*****ts indicate they illegally migrate to the the U.S. for their economic betterment.

News reports say Biden intends to flood Central American nations with U.S. taxpayer dollars to improve conditions therein. Expect a boondoggle because of the endemic corruption in those nations. The corrupt elites there will line their own pockets with this dollar infusion. So far, Biden has not described the controls over these dollars ensuring they go 100 percent to improved economic conditions in the target nations.

Critics may jump on this foreign policy because it smacks of nation building. In fact, these nations function according to custom and tradition going back to their inception. Their cultural values guide them and their politics. The gringo does not know how to reorganize these nations to suit the his desires for them. The leadership in these nations will smile and glad-hand Kamal in hopes of diverting U.S. dollars to their own benefit.
Tend to agree. Biden poses as the anti-Trump. He... (show quote)


Right again on all points.

We cannot improve living conditions in Central America; nation building is just another term for graft and corruption (consider our experience in Afghanistan - Karzai duped the US on all fronts and pocketed millions.)

A better, more practical solution would be to set "immigration stations" in the affected countries. There the applicant could make their case and be approved or rejected FOR CONSIDERATION ONLY without making the perilous journey in vain. It would be a far less expensive and more humane way of addressing the problem.

One way to tighten control is if you apply, you get fingerprinted before any determination is made. Then those fingerprints along with the decision (either way) is entered into an immigration database. If you show up at the border and don't match the fingerprints, you are outright rejected. If you have been approved locally THEN you can make your case to the immigration judge at the border. The local immigration "decision makers" would have to be frequently rotated to improve the chance that our own people won't corrupt the system.

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Jun 11, 2021 12:12:43   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Really, although it was an unfortunate turn of events, I am not as offended by it as you are, but I guess had it been Ocasio Cortez leading a bunch of Occupy DC anarchists into the capital I would have probably been at least as pissed as you seem to be if not more so.


Maybe you could name even one time when a left leaning mob broke into the capital with the intent of stopping the certification of a valid e******n.

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Jun 11, 2021 12:30:01   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazbo wrote:
How does that explain the Pence gallows? And why don't you reach out to the family of the Officer Sicknick? I am sure your words would be a great comfort.


LOL.... Now you have gone over the edge, Sicknick's death was of natural causes, anybody dying from a stroke at that age has to have had serious health issues, after his shift he communicated to his family that he was out having dinner and all was good, his death had nothing to do with the r**t. As far as gallows? Really you are going to seriously ask that question as if it was an attempted murder? Counselor, give it a rest.

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Jun 11, 2021 13:22:47   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
LOL.... Now you have gone over the edge, Sicknick's death was of natural causes, anybody dying from a stroke at that age has to have had serious health issues, after his shift he communicated to his family that he was out having dinner and all was good, his death had nothing to do with the r**t. As far as gallows? Really you are going to seriously ask that question as if it was an attempted murder? Counselor, give it a rest.


Ah but there was a gallows erected. Funny how no one asks how, when and where did the i**********nists get the building materials.

As for attempted murder, that is a stretch. However, the i**********nists did break into and damage the capitol and did a great deal of damage all the while yelling "Hang Mike Pence".

Are you supportive of that behavior? As an American, does it make you proud?

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Jun 11, 2021 23:15:22   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
DukeTarHeel wrote:
Ah but there was a gallows erected. Funny how no one asks how, when and where did the i**********nists get the building materials.

As for attempted murder, that is a stretch. However, the i**********nists did break into and damage the capitol and did a great deal of damage all the while yelling "Hang Mike Pence".

Are you supportive of that behavior? As an American, does it make you proud?


No, I certainly don't support people erecting gallows and calling out "Hang Pence", personally I think Pence is an honorable man and did what was expected and correct, the entire idea that he could stop the certification was ridiculous.

As far as Washington getting the message that there is a great deal of unrest in the country, well I am pretty OK with the A-Holes in DC getting that message.

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Jun 12, 2021 08:38:07   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
No, I certainly don't support people erecting gallows and calling out "Hang Pence", personally I think Pence is an honorable man and did what was expected and correct, the entire idea that he could stop the certification was ridiculous.

As far as Washington getting the message that there is a great deal of unrest in the country, well I am pretty OK with the A-Holes in DC getting that message.

I agree with all you’ve said. Don’t you find it odd that they had the materials to erect an email c caution scaffold readily at hand? Seems like that was pre-planned.

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Jun 12, 2021 09:06:22   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Waiting in the country of origin while the U.S. processes applications for immigration or asylum would certainly bring control to the processes within the law.

Strict usage of the existing Immigration and Nationality Act would also objectify the immigration and asylum processes, thereby minimizing political manipulation of it for political gain, such as the Dreamers exception, a problem formulated by a former President. See more here: "DACA Is Not What the Democrats Say It Is. Here Are the Facts" (found at: https://patriotpost.us/opinion/52738)

I agree with both points: "We cannot improve living conditions in Central America; nation building is just another term for graft and corruption"

Experience tells us so. Unfortunately, the makeup of these nations includes cultural values that foment and foster endemic corruption. The U.S. cannot wave a magic wand to convert these nations to practice the norms of American democracy. Ideologists on the contrary suppose that exposure to these norms will automatically sell themselves to replace undemocratic mechanisms of governance.

Recall that former President Bush II declared that Iraq would become "a shining beacon of democracy" in the Mid-East, somehow replacing the theocratical rule of that nation. The waste of Yankee dollars and the bloodshed of U.S troops there failed to overcome the historical practices of Iraqi governance under Islam.

Lived experience should disabuse trains of thought that cannot account for the rejection of liberal democracy and individual rights in some nations going forward.

To be continued.
DukeTarHeel wrote:
Right again on all points.

We cannot improve living conditions in Central America; nation building is just another term for graft and corruption (consider our experience in Afghanistan - Karzai duped the US on all fronts and pocketed millions.)

A better, more practical solution would be to set "immigration stations" in the affected countries. There the applicant could make their case and be approved or rejected FOR CONSIDERATION ONLY without making the perilous journey in vain. It would be a far less expensive and more humane way of addressing the problem.

One way to tighten control is if you apply, you get fingerprinted before any determination is made. Then those fingerprints along with the decision (either way) is entered into an immigration database. If you show up at the border and don't match the fingerprints, you are outright rejected. If you have been approved locally THEN you can make your case to the immigration judge at the border. The local immigration "decision makers" would have to be frequently rotated to improve the chance that our own people won't corrupt the system.
Right again on all points. br br We cannot improv... (show quote)

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