AzPicLady wrote:
Most of the "contests" (shows, exhibits, etc.) I have entered have pretty strict rules clearly stated. Some have separate categories for "manipulated" (and they describe what they mean by that) photographs and they are judged separately. Some do not.
I know most folks here will probably attack me for this, but I'm a realist when it comes to my photography. That comes from years of being a photojournalist. Even in my "artistic" work, my desire is that someone can actually go to where I took an image and see exactly what I portray in the image. That precludes my changing skies or moving objects. If I were to do that, I would not call the finished piece a "photograph," but perhaps "digital artwork." I do not deny that folks have the right to do any manipulation they see fit, but I do hope they will own up to it. I admit to being disappointed when I see a beautiful capture posted, only to find out that it is a composite. I don't mind that it's a composite. Many of them are beautifully done, and I admire the originator's ability to do that. What I mind is that someone claim to have captured that image as one click.
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While I might understand your perspective, I can't recall anyone claiming all the skill and effort put into PP didn't happen, and their work was simply SOOC? I guess it might happen in a photo contest or in a photography class, or in a courtroom where the goal is not the best picture, but what I see is most people are proud of their photo editing skills and hiding those skills is not part of their mindset. Much more likely to brag about it than claim it didn't happen...
wmurnahan wrote:
Photographs have always been altered from film to print, in hue, saturation, etc and B&W has always had dodging and burning. In the past only a slide really qualified as unaltered and even that can be manipulated in developing.
I manipulated the heck out of all my slides after I converted them to digital masterpieces
BigDaddy wrote:
I manipulated the heck out of all my slides after I converted them to digital masterpieces
You can also manipulate slides when printing them in a darkroom.
If my prints weren't good, I just blamed the FotoMat.
JohnSwanda wrote:
You can also manipulate slides when printing them in a darkroom.
You could, but I had to take them to photo hut....
BigDaddy wrote:
I manipulated the heck out of all my slides after I converted them to digital masterpieces
Your slides did not have the benefit of being shot with a digital camera set up for your tastes (whatever that may mean).
CHG_CANON wrote:
If my prints weren't good, I just blamed the FotoMat.
FotoMat was great. My pictures were lousy.
CHG_CANON wrote:
If my prints weren't good, I just blamed the FotoMat.
That's a perfectly valid one. Most of the time it was the Fotomat fault.
BigDaddy wrote:
I've alluded to this many times, but never so clearly and concisely.
Pretty much if a picture has any value other than forensic, you can safely assume it's been "manipulated."
Photography only begins with a picture, it ends when it's good enough to be proudly displayed on your big screen HD TV
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Are you saying that you are not proud of your pics until you have manipulated them
Kmgw9v wrote:
FotoMat was great. My pictures were lousy.
Success is the photographer. Failure was the Fotomat.
CHG_CANON wrote:
Success is the photographer. Failure was the Fotomat.
That was why I had my color darkroom.
Delderby wrote:
Are you saying that you are not proud of your pics until you have manipulated them
I'm saying my pictures aren't finished until I "manipulate" them. Whether I'm proud of them depends on how good a job I do.
For starters, my camera takes 1.5:1 pictures, and most of my display devices are 1.77:1, which means on the extremely rare to never chance that I get the perfect picture SOOC, I still need to "manipulate" to properly fit my screens. 99.999999999% of the time my pictures need more than just size manipulation, and pretty much always can be improved from SOOC.
The process starts when I snap the shutter and ends when I save my edits. Even then, I often see stuff that could be improved to make an even better final product, and then, if I feel the picture is worth it, I "manipulate" it summore. I'm personally most "proud" when I take a so so picture and manipulate into something that gives me that warm, cuddly feeling.
Curmudgeon wrote:
Processing Kodachrome?
Nope of course. I did some ektachrome but it's 'not worth it. I process C41 film (mostly Vericolor) and print using EP-2 process. Later it's Portra and Ekta and with RA-4 process for printing. Now without the darkroom I shoot Ektachrome and has the lab process it. Besides Fotomat didn't mess up either Kodachrome or Ektachrome film I sent them. It's the printing of color negative film that they didn't do what I want. No fault to them, just because they are not me.
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