lorim222315 wrote:
At my house we try to balance purchases for fun. As of today I am down a new boat and a skid loader. So I need some help.
I am a looking at mirrorless - Nikon and Sony. I have been a Nikon user for many, many years. Started out with a D90 many years ago and have worked my way to D850 and lots of glass. The smart thing (?) says Nikon mirrorless with a mount. Some techie dudes say move to Sony and get some new tech glass. I shoot basically anything that moves and when I get frustrated I shoot landscape. My first concern is shutter roll. Does the new firmware for Sony help? In my research long lens reach seems to be lagging behind. D850 and long lenses are heavy but fun. I have been fixed at the A7R4 for the birding possibilities. I shoot grandkid sports from swimming to football. Other than to catch up and some new bragging rights, what do you all see as the future of equipment - and is Nikon as a company, going to be gone soon?
It is difficult to go and hold and test new equipment these days. Plunking money down and waiting for mail delivery is easy but returning is not. Renting may be the avenue explored.
If you made the switch are you looking back?
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I agree that a mirrorless with the same state of technology as a DSLR would not make for better pictures, it is the photog that controls the exposure and composition. But consider where the research and development dollars are being spent by the manufacturers. It's not in DSLR technology. As a Canon guy I haven't heard of a new 5DIV replacement, but we have seen the recent release of the R5, R6 and now a forthcoming R3. Canon is running as fast as they can releasing RF rather than EF glass.
A year ago I bought the EOS-R rather than the 5DIV even though the features were almost the same, I wanted to step into the EVF and see where the tech was headed. I've not looked back and even though they would likely be the same on the 5DIV, the pictures I get from the R are stunning. I'm a convert and will stay with the mirrorless products.
As to the comment about cell phones, the only thing being upgraded on cell phones these days are the cameras. They all still make phone calls, send texts run apps have wifi bluetooth and yes take photos. My cell phone is 3 versions behind because the only thing it hasn't got is the latest camera. When my non-replaceable battery is no longer able to be replaced by the local cell phone shop (the oxymoron), I'll upgrade. The manufacturers have a disposable product sales and growth model unlike a camera manufacturer who has a range of products for every taste.
For those that want to stay with their old tech, that's a choice to be made. When automatic transmissions came out and those stick shifts were pretty reliable I'm sure there were a number who thought that no one needs one of those fancy things to shift the car. In other words you cant buy a IBM PC-XT with DOS and the latest Photoshop isn't on a CD you can buy in Staples one time anymore...
Photography is a wonderful hobby. Most of us aren't in the darkroom developing pictures these days. Stay up to date or merely see the reflection of the good ole days in that mirror...
lorim222315 wrote:
At my house we try to balance purchases for fun. As of today I am down a new boat and a skid loader. So I need some help.
I am a looking at mirrorless - Nikon and Sony. I have been a Nikon user for many, many years. Started out with a D90 many years ago and have worked my way to D850 and lots of glass. The smart thing (?) says Nikon mirrorless with a mount. Some techie dudes say move to Sony and get some new tech glass. I shoot basically anything that moves and when I get frustrated I shoot landscape. My first concern is shutter roll. Does the new firmware for Sony help? In my research long lens reach seems to be lagging behind. D850 and long lenses are heavy but fun. I have been fixed at the A7R4 for the birding possibilities. I shoot grandkid sports from swimming to football. Other than to catch up and some new bragging rights, what do you all see as the future of equipment - and is Nikon as a company, going to be gone soon?
It is difficult to go and hold and test new equipment these days. Plunking money down and waiting for mail delivery is easy but returning is not. Renting may be the avenue explored.
If you made the switch are you looking back?
At my house we try to balance purchases for fun. ... (
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Haven’t made the switch and probably won’t any time soon. With four Nikon DSLRS and a dozen lenses I can be good to go for a long time. Not to say I won’t purchase a mirrorless someday or even two or three more DSLRs but will definitely stay with Nikons. Not really interested in marching to the drummer of the latest and greatest of Mirrorless or DSLRs. My advice is buy what you want whenever you want. That’s what I do. It’s your money and enjoyment of the hobby. Best wishes.
Sidwalkastronomy wrote:
As an astronomer like you there are a lit of astrophotography shot with very small sensors so don't think that could have have been the only reason. Those GAS attacks can be painful till you lighten your wallet a bit. Been there, don't that smiling
I was glad to have the D810 at the workshop. If I'd only had my D300. I'd only have been able to stand and watch what everyone else was doing. ISO 5000 would have been well out of reach.
What's funny, though, is that I can still remember today how all my friends who got their D300s before me kept going 9n and on about how well it did in low light and how little noise there was 8n the images, and just in general how much better the CMOS sensor was. I had continued using my D200 for several years after the D300 came out and still 9vcasionally use both of those cameras today.
So yes...I feel strongly that people should buy whatever camera they want and can afford. Please just leave off the part where they feel the need to justify their purchase to me and then try to drag me al9ng.
This image just seemed so very appropriate for the heading of this subject that I could not resist! The eyes see all and know that this image was taken with a dSLR because when I took it I did not own a mirrorless camera, but I now own both. Pros and cons for both but I do think mirrorless is the future of cameras and I'm waiting to see what the reviews on the Nikon Z9 will be. I want a new full frame camera, I currently have a D800 and D810, but I'll wait for the Z9 which is supposed to be released in 2021...so says Nikon. Also thinking of switching to Sony gear.
cjc2
Loc: Hellertown PA
CHG_CANON wrote:
A good photograph has the most pixels.
A good photographer has a mirrorless camera.
And GREAT photographers use the camera best-suited to the job!
larryepage wrote:
I was glad to have the D810 at the workshop. If I'd only had my D300. I'd only have been able to stand and watch what everyone else was doing. ISO 5000 would have been well out of reach.
What's funny, though, is that I can still remember today how all my friends who got their D300s before me kept going 9n and on about how well it did in low light and how little noise there was 8n the images, and just in general how much better the CMOS sensor was. I had continued using my D200 for several years after the D300 came out and still 9vcasionally use both of those cameras today.
So yes...I feel strongly that people should buy whatever camera they want and can afford. Please just leave off the part where they feel the need to justify their purchase to me and then try to drag me al9ng.
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No need to justify. We purchase and use what we want and ignore the snickering. Those that need to justify must have bought the wrong camera. IMO.
Longshadow wrote:
If one keeps at it, anything can eventually be justified.
I have become an expert at justifying what I buy.
jerryc41 wrote:
I have become an expert at justifying what I buy.
If you can justify your purchase and doesn’t hurt the family budget it’s probably all green lights.
Have you looked at Fuji cameras. I moved from Nikon years ago & never looked back. I can’t say enough good things about them. To start with the software updates are fabulous. Other companies make you buy a new camera if you want the latest bells. Have a good look at them so worth it.
Ever tried taking a picture with a slice of bread. Well, maybe not.
I have a Sony alpha 6000 and like the fact that it is really light compared to my film Nikons.
Good luck!
Harald
I have made the transition to mirrorless......sold my last AFS lens yesterday. No regrets. I don't think that the mirrorless cameras are better than their dslr counterparts. They are however generally smaller and lighter. And for my shooting (mostly landscapes) I do see an improvement in the lenses. The kit 16-50 on my z50 is an amazing lens, at any price. It rivals some of Nikon's better lenses for sharpness and color rendition. And the 14-30 that I use on my z5 is imho the best super wide Nikon has ever made. The corporate R&D money is in mirrorless. The smart consumer $$$ should follow.
If you can't tell the difference between an image from a DSLR and a MILC, that just means you still think a mirror is important to a camera.
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