Is mirrorless really better thand DSLR? (modern versions only)
Apr 4, 2021 19:21:00 #
wide2tele wrote:
This is a 2000x2000 pixel section taken from a lar... (show quote)
For those interested in the quoted post above as to what lens took the photo:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-adaptall-2-sp-60-300mm-f-3-8-5-4-23a.html
Yep, a 3rd party, long range (5x), variable aperture, consumer grade zoom from the 90's!!!
I bet no one looking at the photo would've ever guessed this type of lens.
When lenses like this can produce these types of results, I don't feel there is ANY real need to drop F mount lenses if switching to mirrorless.
I wouldn't even be concerned if I had to use the Tamron lens above on a mirrorless! And yes, distortion and corners of the lens are also equally as good as the sharpness.
So what is likely the biggest difference between say the Tamron superzoom and latest Nikon mirrorless lenses? Around 5-10% extra sharpen in your fav photo editor!
Apr 4, 2021 19:51:49 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
A good photograph has the most pixels.
A good photographer has a mirrorless camera.
A good photographer has a mirrorless camera.
Just made me think off the wall...
Start a business and call it The Miracle Camera Company.
Tag line: If it's a good camera, it's a Miracle!
Apr 4, 2021 20:17:50 #
David Conrad
Loc: Sacramento, CA
Well, the feeling of a photograph is a subjective notion. I see photos that are dead images and the same photo from a different photographer that is alive. I don't think the mirror is anathema to the liveness of a shot!
We all have to learn to read the image we preview in our viewfinder. Every camera, even of the same manufacturer has it's own quirks.
That was especially true when I started out with rangefinders. My brother and I were given exactly identical Kodaks for one Christmas, but neither camera took the same shots. And it did not matter who used which camera or if the rudimentary settings were the same or not. Of course our grandfathers Leica trumped us both.
Cameras are just like cars, they are manufactured on an assembly line, built with identical parts in an identical procedure. But somewhere along the way they take on a life of their own.
Although modern manufacturing processes are stunningly consistent, something seems to combine the parts so that each is just slightly different.
In a DSLR the mirror shows you exactly the image the lens is seeing, mirrorless shows you an image that may be exactly the same, but you don't see it the same. Both put the image on the sensor the same. the thing I have thought about was the movement of the mirror to take the shot. I have thought about going mirrorless, but as I am an amateur, I have invested lots of money over many years to acquire my kit, and the cost of moving away from the mirror is daunting.
In many of the shots I admire, I have a very hard time telling the difference between mirror and mirrorless. I think the eye of the photographer is infinitely more important. I think James Popsys can take a better picture with an instamatic than I can with my DSLR!
We all have to learn to read the image we preview in our viewfinder. Every camera, even of the same manufacturer has it's own quirks.
That was especially true when I started out with rangefinders. My brother and I were given exactly identical Kodaks for one Christmas, but neither camera took the same shots. And it did not matter who used which camera or if the rudimentary settings were the same or not. Of course our grandfathers Leica trumped us both.
Cameras are just like cars, they are manufactured on an assembly line, built with identical parts in an identical procedure. But somewhere along the way they take on a life of their own.
Although modern manufacturing processes are stunningly consistent, something seems to combine the parts so that each is just slightly different.
In a DSLR the mirror shows you exactly the image the lens is seeing, mirrorless shows you an image that may be exactly the same, but you don't see it the same. Both put the image on the sensor the same. the thing I have thought about was the movement of the mirror to take the shot. I have thought about going mirrorless, but as I am an amateur, I have invested lots of money over many years to acquire my kit, and the cost of moving away from the mirror is daunting.
In many of the shots I admire, I have a very hard time telling the difference between mirror and mirrorless. I think the eye of the photographer is infinitely more important. I think James Popsys can take a better picture with an instamatic than I can with my DSLR!
Apr 4, 2021 20:23:14 #
larryepage wrote:
I appreciate the time and effort that you spent pu... (show quote)
...point well made. I hope you stick around! Haha, my comment references Larry's post on page three of this seemingly endless bash-fest...I went to page 15 to proof what I wrote (something I highly recommend to many of our UHHer's). I think I will exit the thread now, 12 pages unread, with my emotions intact!
Apr 4, 2021 20:25:20 #
rook2c4 wrote:
Better, no. Just a little different.
But some people need mental justification for their frequent camera purchasing. Even if deep down they know that their photography will probably not noticeably improve with a new camera.
But some people need mental justification for their frequent camera purchasing. Even if deep down they know that their photography will probably not noticeably improve with a new camera.
Or sometimes they just drink the Kool-Aid!
Apr 4, 2021 20:41:39 #
John Hicks wrote:
So all the great photographs taken with DSLR cameras are not as good as a photograph taken with a mirrorless camera , I am sorry I do not believe it .
You can refuse to believe in gravity.
No one can crawl into your head.
No harm no foul. Zero sum.
Apr 4, 2021 20:41:47 #
cedymock wrote:
Or sometimes they just drink the Kool-Aid!
lol...yeah right.
The Nikon D850 is the epitome of wildlife DSLR'S. Not an exaggeration to say their best... 9 loud frames per second.
The Sony A7RIV is a silent 11 frames per second.
No big deal one might think...until one realizes that is their LANDSCAPE camera...and it will smoke the D850.
The A9 series and the Canon R series go to 20 and 30 silent frames per second...no mirror slap...no blackout in the viewfinder.
If that's kool aid... I'll drink it all day long.
DSLR'S are standing still...have been for a few years now...and it is going to stay that way.
One thing is changing...Canon and Sony and Nikon are discontinuing their DSLR' lenses...slowly but surely.
The exit sign has been lit.
Apr 4, 2021 20:56:15 #
Canisdirus wrote:
Pentax cameras from P&S through FF have featured unique and impressive innovations. But it’s Pentax and altho they had once been a regular player, lately (years) nobody gives a ratzazz. Sad, unfair, but sux to be Pentax :-(No one is saying that.
The facts are...DSLR's had their day... a very long day indeed.
But mirrorless has now surpassed them in many ways.
ALL of the R&D monies now go towards mirrorless...not DSLR.
Except for Pentax...but that's a joke for another day.
The facts are...DSLR's had their day... a very long day indeed.
But mirrorless has now surpassed them in many ways.
ALL of the R&D monies now go towards mirrorless...not DSLR.
Except for Pentax...but that's a joke for another day.
Apr 4, 2021 21:08:25 #
JohnR wrote:
Just a little food for thought br br Looking comp... (show quote)
Ok, ok, you’re right, but I like the mirrorless viewfinder a little better...
Apr 4, 2021 21:43:15 #
Within a format, such as a full-frame digital camera, the resulting IMAGE QUALITY, aside from the photograher's skill or lack thereof, has little to do with the style of the camera system (DSLR or mirrorless). The image quality is dependent on good engineering and design, precise manufacturing quality control, and a system that is capable of precise and consistent settings. There are cameras and lenses in both types of systems that qualify.
The choice of a camera or camera system should depend on your handling requirements and the kinds of photography that you do. Ergonomics are important, that's how the camera fits in your hand and how it enables ease of operation. If you can not hold and operate the camera easily and conveniently the quality of your images can suffer. If you have to fumble with the controls, you will miss opportune photographic opportunities.
Weight, size grip and position of the controls are major considerations.
The viewfinder image is another difference- do you prefer an optical image or an electronic one for composition, focusing, etc.?
The MIRROR in the reflex mechanism of a DSRL adds weight and size and may make for a more noisy operation and MAY introduce vibration from "mirror slap" which can be somewhat problematic in hand-held operation at slower shutter speeds.
And yes- wide-angle lenses MAY be a bit larger and heavier when designed for a DSLR because of the retro focus formulas- this is not detrimental to image quality in a fine lens.
In my work, I presently use medium format and full-frame DSLR systems. I have tried out a few mirrorless cameras and was suitably impressed. I could switch at any time- I would just have to get used to a few differences. I don't think my image quality would improve- perhas just a few conveniences would be beneficial.
The choice of a camera or camera system should depend on your handling requirements and the kinds of photography that you do. Ergonomics are important, that's how the camera fits in your hand and how it enables ease of operation. If you can not hold and operate the camera easily and conveniently the quality of your images can suffer. If you have to fumble with the controls, you will miss opportune photographic opportunities.
Weight, size grip and position of the controls are major considerations.
The viewfinder image is another difference- do you prefer an optical image or an electronic one for composition, focusing, etc.?
The MIRROR in the reflex mechanism of a DSRL adds weight and size and may make for a more noisy operation and MAY introduce vibration from "mirror slap" which can be somewhat problematic in hand-held operation at slower shutter speeds.
And yes- wide-angle lenses MAY be a bit larger and heavier when designed for a DSLR because of the retro focus formulas- this is not detrimental to image quality in a fine lens.
In my work, I presently use medium format and full-frame DSLR systems. I have tried out a few mirrorless cameras and was suitably impressed. I could switch at any time- I would just have to get used to a few differences. I don't think my image quality would improve- perhas just a few conveniences would be beneficial.
Apr 4, 2021 21:50:43 #
User ID wrote:
Pentax cameras from P&S through FF have featured unique and impressive innovations. But it’s Pentax and altho they had once been a regular player, lately (years) nobody gives a ratzazz. Sad, unfair, but sux to be Pentax :-(
Ricoh is mainly an optics corp...not a camera one.
They also stuck with the K mount...which at first glance looks like a winner...but it was not.
Yes, they had a plethora of older lenses to be had...but tech with the newer lenses outshines 99% of the older ones. When Ricoh bought them...that was when they should have changed mounts...to make it far more compatible with newer lenses...but they didn't.
Ricoh is also dedicated to the optical viewfinder...one of their core beliefs...out of step...once again.
Having to produce two camera lines (the Q and K-1) and then to retire them (for good reason)... costly investments.
Apr 4, 2021 22:30:59 #
hookedupin2005
Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
JohnR wrote:
Just a little food for thought br br Looking comp... (show quote)
There are great pictures taken by both DSLRs, and Mirrorless......The difference? The person holding the camera.
Apr 4, 2021 22:32:43 #
Picture Taker
Loc: Michigan Thumb
They took out the mirror assembly and garage more, so they got to be better.
Apr 4, 2021 22:41:05 #
How do you know you're not a successful photographer until you've used a mirrorless camera?
Apr 4, 2021 22:48:47 #
Picture Taker
Loc: Michigan Thumb
Success is in the eye of the beholder. And I have prints of paper and canvas. PS slides
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