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Mar 28, 2021 13:46:43   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
billnikon wrote:
If this has been your experience then you have not seen enough great photo's. The debate between with is sharper, a zoom or prime, has been going on for a long time. Nikon's first mass produced consumer zoom lens, the 43-86? was a dog. But todays zooms hold their own very well, for instance, I own and use three zooms for Florida Wildlife photography, the Nikon 200-400 f4, and the Sony 200-600 are both exceptionally sharp zoom lenses. I also own the Sony and Nikon 600 f4 prime lenses.
To be honest, I do not see much if any difference in sharpness between the Sony 200-600 and the Sony 600 prime.
If used properly by a competent photographer, zoom lenses produce excellent results. I have won several best in shows using zoom lenses.
The argument can be summed up this way, it's the photographer that makes the difference, not exactly the lens. IMHO, both my zoom and prime have produced excellent results.
To pigeon hole or delegate zoom lenses to a lesser status than primes today is just not taking into account the excellent results obtained by zooms.
Below is an old shot of mine using my Nikon D4s and a Nikon 200-400 f4 lens. It has won local and state competitions and remains one of my older stock images that sells well over the years.
If this has been your experience then you have not... (show quote)


Heartily endorse your comments Bill. Well said.

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Mar 28, 2021 14:12:21   #
User ID
 
Timmers wrote:
You may have discovered why E. Leitz does not make zoom lenses, and why most of the offerings from Carl Zeiss are almost all non-zoom lenses.

Your “expert history” is not so expert ... not at all.

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Mar 28, 2021 14:17:15   #
The Woodpecker
 
SteveR wrote:
have all been shot with prime lenses. There are a few photographers that I know who take great photos who I wish shot with primes.


Awesome. I have never liked zooms (35mm era), though useful in some situations. Since making the catastrophic jump from film to digital (with a decade hiatus), I have been very disappointed with the big camera manufacturers for not producing more large prime lenses. I suppose, mostly, because the Zoom lens tech has improved so much, but still not a prime. I finally went with Pentax on the digital side, and I am very pleased the 300mm f/4 prime (wildlife). Finding a 400mm f/2.8 is becoming more and more problematic, and even the wide angle lens selection with most companies is becoming more zoom than prime.
What type of photography are you doing?
Woodpecker

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Mar 28, 2021 14:18:15   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
I would still like to know why she recommends using a zoom lens if all she ever uses is a prime lens.

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Mar 28, 2021 14:20:43   #
The Woodpecker
 
John N wrote:
Zooms are jack of all trades, master of none lenses. But very useful though.


Also, if you carry a big zoom, the lens barrel rides out on your hip (a hair pony tie around the zoom ring and looped to the tripod mount works).

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Mar 28, 2021 14:23:57   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
The Woodpecker wrote:
I have been very disappointed with the big camera manufacturers for not producing more large prime lenses.


Where have you been looking?

Nikon has 200mm, 300mm, 400mm, 500mm, 600mm, and 800mm primes.

What is missing from your wish list?

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Mar 28, 2021 14:31:56   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Bill_de wrote:
Where have you been looking?

Nikon has 200mm, 300mm, 400mm, 500mm, 600mm, and 800mm primes.

What is missing from your wish list?

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At some of those focal lengths, there's even multiple options.

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Mar 28, 2021 14:39:41   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Bill_de wrote:
I went to her website and found some very nice images. Any could have been taken with a prime or zoom lens. I'm not sure owning an 800mm lens indicates that you are a professional photographer. I haven't sold a picture, nor tried to, in over 50 years and take many of my mediocre shots with a Nikkor 800mm F/5.6.

Avoiding Facebook, here is the her website:

https://abiwarnerphotography.com/about-abi/


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Not that I've seen, Bill. They might have been "taken" with a zoom, but the results would not have been the same. Somebody mentioned that Abi said she shoots with zooms. I checked with her. She shoots primes 90% of the time.

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Mar 28, 2021 14:46:05   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
LittleRed wrote:
As far as I can remember it’s not the quality of equipment that merits the photo’s selection but rather it’s own quality. There have been many photos used by Nat Geo that have come from many different types of camera/lens combinations regardless of what the cost etc. I know for a fact that some very good pics came from some pretty unremarkable equipment. Abi is a remarkable nature photographer as anyone can see from her work. But she has at her disposal some of the best equipment available for this type of photography and the ability to use it. That’s something that a majority of us Hoggers could probably never have to worry about.😢 But regardless she’s damn good.

LittleRed (Ron)

P.S. - perhaps you could help me in becoming a better photographer by floating me a no-interest loan so I can obtain some of that “best equipment” that you say is necessary. All I need is $22,800 to cover the camera and lens from Adorama. 😄😁😆😉😉
As far as I can remember it’s not the quality of e... (show quote)


That's the problem that I run into as well. Abi's suggestion to me, for wildlife, was the Nikon 500mm fl lens. While not an inexpensive lens, it is within reach at just over 3K. The problem with this lens is availability. Another prime worth considering is the 85mm f1.8 at $495. This may be one of the best lenses at the best prices.

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Mar 28, 2021 14:47:32   #
User ID
 
SteveR wrote:
Not that I've seen, Bill. They might have been "taken" with a zoom, but the results would not have been the same. Somebody mentioned that Abi said she shoots with zooms. I checked with her. She shoots primes 90% of the time.

Some users foolishly think that knowing what an expert uses has some bearing on what they themselves ought to use. This is sooper cluelessness.

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Mar 28, 2021 15:00:48   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
SteveR wrote:
Somebody mentioned that Abi said she shoots with zooms. I checked with her. She shoots primes 90% of the time.


That doesn't surprise me. I shoot with the 300pf now as a carry around lens. The 400mm F/2.8 when I want a very smooth background, and the 800mm when shooting small subjects. Since everything from Chickadees to Mourning Doves (with the occasional Coopers Hawk) show up in my garden I often have the wrong lens. But, except for being able to give me a really smooth background, the Nikkor 200-500 produced images just as sharp as the 400mm. That is at least to my eye and my neighbors who have my pictures hanging in their homes.

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Mar 28, 2021 16:13:46   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
ronpier wrote:
I have a Nikkor 50mm 1.8. Hardly use it. But I really use all the time my Tamron 17-50 2.8. Don’t need to change lenses very often.


Same here. Why I bought the Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 when I already had the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 is a question I can't answer except that I had the itch to buy something. The Nikkor never gets used.

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Mar 28, 2021 16:23:35   #
M6ttl
 
There is only one prime lens and that is your eye. Use it well and your pictures will be fine.

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Mar 28, 2021 16:31:31   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
John N wrote:
Zooms are jack of all trades, master of none lenses. But very useful though.


That was once very true. But not today.

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Mar 28, 2021 16:36:49   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
User ID wrote:
You could go to Steve’s profile and browse his posts. I did. I’ll make no further attempts at intelligent open minded discourse with him :-(


I wasn't planning on it - but thanks for the warning. He is a bit of a troll, and I usually don't spend even this much time on trolls. Pixel peeping on a downsampled image is NOT a good way to determine sharpness or whether a zoom is better than a prime. So the joke is on he who thinks he knows of what he speaks . . .

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