Affinity vs. Faststone....
Mar 1, 2021 13:56:52 #
Ysarex wrote:
That's another issue altogether. Some folks seem t... (show quote)
You can open a RAW file (CR2 in my case). You can edit the file. Then you can save it as a Tiff, jpeg, etc. However to your point you cannot save the edited file as a CR2. So your point is vaild.
Mar 1, 2021 14:10:28 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
Jim Plogger wrote:
You can open a RAW file (CR2 in my case). You can edit the file. Then you can save it as a Tiff, jpeg, etc. However to your point you cannot save the edited file as a CR2. So your point is vaild.
No. You can't open the raw file and edit it (CR2 as an example). There is no such option in Faststone to do that. You can select Batch Convert Selected Images from the Tools menu and only there without the option to edit the image you can incorrectly convert a raw file to an RGB image. The conversion is crash and burn awful.
If you select a raw file in Faststone and then select any of the editing tools Faststone will edit the embedded JPEG in the raw file and not the raw data. Huge difference.
Here's an easy way to see what's happening. Download this CR2 file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/birec8vaag1h5cr/IMG_2767.CR2?dl=0 Look at the file in Faststone and you should see a monochrome image. But it's a CR2 file and all CR2 files from all Canon cameras that have not been specially modified are color raw files. Only the embedded JPEG is monochrome. Go ahead and try and edit the file in Faststone. If Faststone opens and presents a monochrome image it's not editing the raw file it's editing the embeded JPEG. Now you want to see something seriously ugly click on the file in Faststone and then from the Tools menu select convert and go ahead and convert it to a TIFF or JPEG.
Mar 1, 2021 14:26:15 #
Ysarex wrote:
No. You can't open the raw file and edit it (CR2 a... (show quote)
I think that is what I said. The fact that you cannot SAVE the CR2 as a CR2 RAW file after making edits verifies that. I can open an image with a CR2 file extension. I can edit the opened image. I can then save it as a jpg, tif, etc., but I cannot save it as an edited CR2. If your point is that what I opened is the embedded jpeg, I understand that.
Mar 1, 2021 14:37:12 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
Jim Plogger wrote:
I think that is what I said. The fact that you cannot SAVE the CR2 as a CR2 RAW file after making edits verifies that. I can open an image with a CR2 file extension.
No you can not. Faststone can only access the preview JPEG embedded in the raw file. That's not opening a raw file.
Jim Plogger wrote:
I can edit the opened image.
That's not the raw file. That's a lower quality embedded JPEG that was placed in the raw file for preview purposes.
Jim Plogger wrote:
I can then save it as a jpg, tif, etc., but I cannot save it as an edited CR2. If your point is that what I opened is the embedded jpeg, I understand that.
If you understand that then you should understand that does not open the raw data. I wouldn't call that opening a raw file. For example the file I just linked is in color. When you open it do you get a color image? When I open it I get a color image.
Mar 1, 2021 15:06:39 #
Ysarex wrote:
If you understand that then you should understand that does not open the raw data. I wouldn't call that opening a raw file. For example the file I just linked is in color. When you open it do you get a color image? When I open it I get a color image.
You don't give up. I already said that in my last post. I am not here to argue with you nor have you criticize my understanding. My last post was very clear that it was an embedded image. The very fact that the edit cannot be saved as an edited RAW file verifies that. BTW, I DO NOT use Faststone as an editor. I use Adobe Camera RAW. My only intent was to say that Faststone can and does open an image that has a RAW file designation such as CR2. The open image can be edited, the image can be saved, but not as an edited RAW file. How clear is that?
Mar 1, 2021 15:13:13 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
Jim Plogger wrote:
My only intent was to say that Faststone can and does open an image that has a RAW file designation such as CR2. The open image can be edited, the image can be saved, but not as an edited RAW file. How clear is that?
And my only intent is to say that's wrong. A raw file is an image file. You are implying that Faststone can open a raw image file and edit the image. It can not. Extracting an embedded preview JPEG from a raw file is not opening the raw file.
It would seem there is considerable misunderstanding about this and so it's a good idea for the benefit of other forum members to be real clear about what's happening. It is incorrect to suggest that Faststone can open and edit raw files. It can't.
Mar 1, 2021 15:18:48 #
RightOnPhotography
Loc: Quebec,QC
Ysarex wrote:
Faststone does not convert raw files as far as I know. Given the current sale price you can't go wrong purchasing Affinity Photo.
If you do get serious about raw processing you can supplement what AP provides with either the software that comes with your camera or one of the open source raw converters or another raw converter.
If you do get serious about raw processing you can supplement what AP provides with either the software that comes with your camera or one of the open source raw converters or another raw converter.
You can open the raw file (.nef in my case) and immediately save it as jpg. It doesn't call it "conversion", but just saves as jpg.
Mar 1, 2021 15:23:00 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
RightOnPhotography wrote:
You can open the raw file (.nef in my case) and immediately save it as jpg. It doesn't call it "conversion", but just saves as jpg.
No you can not. To do that you have to access the Tools menu and select Batch Convert Selected Images. There you can convert a raw file incorrectly and save it as a JPEG.
What you are doing with an NEF file is extracting the embedded preview JPEG in the raw file. That is not the raw file data.
Mar 1, 2021 15:24:16 #
RightOnPhotography wrote:
You can open the raw file (.nef in my case) and immediately save it as jpg. It doesn't call it "conversion", but just saves as jpg.
CORRECT
Mar 1, 2021 15:28:02 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
Jim Plogger wrote:
CORRECT
Absolutely incorrect. Extracting the embedded preview JPEG is not opening a raw file. What is being saved in that case is just another copy of the embedded preview JPEG.
Mar 1, 2021 15:33:20 #
Ysarex wrote:
Absolutely incorrect. Extracting the embedded preview JPEG is not opening a raw file. What is being saved in that case is just another copy of the embedded preview JPEG.
Exactly what I have been saying. But OK.
Mar 1, 2021 15:43:27 #
Ysarex wrote:
...Extracting the embedded preview JPEG is not opening a raw file. What is being saved in that case is just another copy of the embedded preview JPEG.
How about:
...extracting the embedded preview is not using raw data...
After all, the preview is part of the raw file. But it is not part of the raw data.
(Semantics).
Mar 1, 2021 15:45:44 #
DirtFarmer wrote:
How about:
...extracting the embedded preview is not using raw data...
After all, the preview is part of the raw file. But it is not part of the raw data.
(Semantics).
...extracting the embedded preview is not using raw data...
After all, the preview is part of the raw file. But it is not part of the raw data.
(Semantics).
Mar 1, 2021 15:45:50 #
Ysarex
Loc: St. Louis
Jim Plogger wrote:
Exactly what I have been saying. But OK.
I don't agree that's what you said. You said: "You can open a RAW file (CR2 in my case). You can edit the file. Then you can save it as a Tiff, jpeg, etc. However to your point you cannot save the edited file as a CR2. So your point is vaild."
That's wrong. I also never said anything about saving a raw file as a raw file.
Mar 1, 2021 15:45:57 #
sudamar wrote:
Faststone is free and I have been using it lately, but I like what I hear about Affinty. I seem to be able to do everything with Faststone but wondering what Affintiy has over Faststone. Both have a RAW converter, right? Affinity is on sale now for half price and I'm thinking of getting it. Please let me know if you think it is better than Faststone as a photo editor. Thanks.
One cannot go wrong having Faststone Viewer in his arsenal. I use it for culling my RAW files and quickly process the embedded jpegs for posting online.
Affinity, with the latest version 1.9.1, is quickly becoming a favorite among astrophotographers as it can integrate
(stack) raw or fit files and do a lot of post processing with a much less steep learning curve. Photoshop users already know most of the tools and shortcuts. Grab it while it is still on sale.
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